Part61 Type/class IFR renewal
 

What's the deal with the new 24month bracket in part 61?

If I say intend to fly 3 different types over the next 24months does it mean I need to do a renewal every 9 months?

Has anyone got the list of which aircraft fall into a class or type rating from Casa for part61?

What does his mean for the old ATO, heaps more checks for them too....

Just asking as I can't find a reference.

Tick tock

My impression is that the changes are largely semantic.

The CIR will become a perpetual rating (like PIFR) but will require annual currency. So you'll still be doing an annual flight (my recollection from the briefing discussed annual not biennial) with someone. After attending a 2.5 hour briefing it is completely unclear to me if this will be a Flight Examiner (ATO) or instructor. Mates who are ATO's and did the 2-day CASA briefing don't seem to be much clearer.

The Multi rating will cover all types up to a weight limit that CASA haven't yet decided upon (How much time do they need?). But the bet is on 5700 kg. However, it is about 99% likely that insurance companies will require type specific check flights. So in effect type ratings will remain. Also, there is a legal requirement for the pilot to be competent in the aircraft type. The easiest way to satisfy this will be an endorsement type check flight with an instructor once again Flight Examiner vs Instructor is unclear.

So, day to day I don't think there will be much effective change. Just the paperwork & bureaucracy.

"I was to learn in later life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganising; and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress while producing confusion, inefficiency, and demoralisation."
Petronius Arbiter (c AD60)

This question came up at the Townsville briefing, and to the best of my recollection, you would need to do a type specific renewal on each in the two years, which would imply doing one every 8 months-ish to keep it manageable.

What it means is most of them and mostly good ones at that will retire. I know that is the plan and has been for 12 months for the guy who I do mine with. :{ He is a wealth of education, every time. I might just pay for him to "educate me" once a year. hahahhaha acceptable means of compliance maybe :}

AOTW.....I take it an RFDS King Air pilot who does his multi IR every year, but owns a Bonanza, will need to do a renewal in the Bo at least once every two years .......because instrument flying a B200 is just not enough :ugh:

Ohhhh and if you regularly fly a Piper Cherokee 6 and want to fly you mates Cirrus.....ohh no, get a type rating :rolleyes:

I hope I am wrong but I doubt it.

After having another read I see that if you are employed by a company with an in house approved checking system you IR is only valid for the company aircraft you fly, unless you have done a renewal outside of company with say an independent ATO...

So do you even get a private ops approval for IFR flight if you want to take the family down the coast etc...

If Casa makes say a C441 and B200 or even PC12 a separate type then they are not covered by a class renewal and a check in each is required over 24m. This is fine but we then need access to ATOs with type endorsements on all, or use a separate ATO for one or anther etc.

My understanding (which I am becoming less clear about) is that twin type ratings disappear under xxxx kg (to be determined, probably 5700 kg). It will be just like a SE rating. C441 & PC12 are both under 5700kg.

The logic is that above this weight is pretty much only RPT type aircraft which will be covered by the operators systems.

The real scandal is that less than 2 months out, CASA cannot provide clear guidance on some pretty basic questions.

It seems that's about the size of it ... not the most sensible sounding concept in the world, really!

What about CASA nominate your 'most complex' type and you have to do the renewal on that at least every 2 years, and every other year on that or any other IFR type you're rated on?

Not that it worries me at the moment, the most complex instrument in my current selection of flying machines is probably the clock!

Akro

5700 for the cut off on making aircraft having a type rating makes some sense, but I think I saw a line in there which said type ratings also will apply to certain single pilot aircraft as prescribed by Casa, that should cover small twin engine vlj etc and could also apply to some of the small twin turboprops.

Of we had a list it would help...

Oh yeah we still have the atpl issue of a ifr flight in a single pilot aircraft in the last 6 months. That may catch a few out if you are only flying multi crew aircraft.

The bottom line here is this.

We have to be ICAO compliant....but we are not. So what do we end up with, a jolly mess that is not FAA/EASA/NZ CAA or any things else but a home brew. Hang on we had one of them already, and it was a lot smiler once upon a time.

Progress for ya!

What will happen is that many people outside of Airline ops are just simply going to vanish under the radar all together. Primary paints will vanish off the radar screens in all directions, even on days when you know it has to be an IFR flight.

Nobody will do IR's anymore, just a basic BFR and go feral flying and CASA will be powerless to stop it.

All they will have achieved is a reduction in safety, and to be honest they deserve what they get.

If there was only a small number of legal and compliant folk before, now there will be none. We will all be criminals.

The fact we are a month or so out from such a big change and all the "devil in the detail" stuff is only just emerging, and they have no idea themselves what it all means tells you a lot.

The changes to CTAF's and radio procedures etc over the last 10 years have been better publicised and the education materials better distributed on those matters. My PO box has been rather lacking in anything educational from CASA since the non towered aerodrome changes.

This has all the makings for a giant corkup if ever there was.

But.....I understand the new regs are not fully ICAO compliant either. I suspect we might be swapping one shandy for another.

Aha! That's the problem then, you're supposed to look at that page on their website that looks a bit like one of those 'ideas diagrams' your old English teacher used to put up on the blackboard, I forget what they're called, with thought bubbles everywhere for each part connected up with multiple lines.

Makes it all abundantly clear!

At last check of my license I had 36 piston twin types, 5 twin turbine types, and ten jet types seven of which are under 5700Kg, anyone calculate how many checks a year I'm up for, and how many banks I'll have to rob to pay for it? Had a thought though, these checks should be tax deductible surely?
Now if one had a bit of cash laying about, might be a way to create a huge tax write off, and have a lot of fun doing it!!

Thorn Bird
 

I sat down at the pub today with a printout of the Part 61 Contents pages and my laptop, ordered a burger and a beer, and started poking about. I recommend the alcohol, it cushions the impact.

It took me 5 minutes to answer every question on this thread and it aint all that bad.

Thorn Bird, roundly speaking your single-pilot piston twins can all be covered in a MECIR renewal in that CLASS (ie: ME Fixed Wing).

Your multi-crew types should be covered by your CAR 217 checks.

If you have an ATPL but you work outside a CAR 217 org, your IFR renewals are under the same rules as now.

casa and part 61
 

Well:


Should be ain't good enough

Hey Akro
Read again, that was my point ;)

Maybe I painted it poorly :ouch:

Yeah and I only met him once more than 10 years ago and I have no idea where he is or what his endorsements are or who he's working for and I'm not CASA.

...so what do you expect? :*

Just sit down and apply your intelligence to the rules. :ugh:

Jaba

Maybe my eyes are still crossed from the CASA presentation.

For me it started in 1974 when Frank Crean started cost recovery from the DCA. Its just been a merry-go-round of recycled policies since then. We're getting RPL's back. Wait for bound visual flight guides to come back too.

Horatio, that's all well and good and I'm sure people are taking something from what you say but if CASA can't explain the implications and repercussions?

What you want from your regulator is credibility, integrity & competence & the majority of people are seeing nothing from them

JR

:D

That sums it up perfectly. :ok:

A lot of smart people in this game can't seem to read it once and say, yep that makes sense.

I am going to adopt the Creamie principal and that is keep doing what I am doing and be safe. Hopefully then I will be compliant with most rules.

That's it cuz!