Dick Smith looks at Fuel Costs
That's fine 'Capt N' everyone here is entitled to an opinion (as mentioned)
The human race is still in it's infancy when compared to the universe as such so lets wait a little while longer (say another 1000 yrs which is still a blink of an eyelid) then we'll see what religion has done to the human race, if we are still here that is which I doubt! The few known fanatics over time Hitler to name but just one have or are only scratching the surface there lies a lot of distrust under that surface where religion is concerned.
Anyway that's my belief & I am not one for ignoring others different beliefs or having a go at them as long as it doesn't effect me directly so that's that:-)
'Capt N' you will most probably be right there re the Mods with this thread, they will no doubt have a diff slant on things & will pounce real soon in an of course unbiased opinion.
'nev' I guess yr right there with planes being more efficient per bum but man has a real love affair for his car & Aussies are more in love with them than most I'd say so the Govt likes that fact so they can 'fiddle the books' using that particular high user group of fossil burning fuel to assist in their corrupt ways!
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The human race is still in it's infancy when compared to the universe as such so lets wait a little while longer (say another 1000 yrs which is still a blink of an eyelid) then we'll see what religion has done to the human race, if we are still here that is which I doubt! The few known fanatics over time Hitler to name but just one have or are only scratching the surface there lies a lot of distrust under that surface where religion is concerned.
Anyway that's my belief & I am not one for ignoring others different beliefs or having a go at them as long as it doesn't effect me directly so that's that:-)
'Capt N' you will most probably be right there re the Mods with this thread, they will no doubt have a diff slant on things & will pounce real soon in an of course unbiased opinion.
'nev' I guess yr right there with planes being more efficient per bum but man has a real love affair for his car & Aussies are more in love with them than most I'd say so the Govt likes that fact so they can 'fiddle the books' using that particular high user group of fossil burning fuel to assist in their corrupt ways!
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Nothing mysterious about it Neville. People personally use cars far more often than they use aeroplanes so it has highly significant personal impact. Politically difficult. Mandatory efficiency would be a start.
Who is going to pay for all that extra mass transit? Government through taxation. Politically difficult. And anyway, no-one is talking about banning aviation.
Aviation is far easier to handle politically - relatively few people (i.e. voters) have a direct personal involvement aside from catching the occasional flight, and there are only a few major players to deal with.
I'm not sure why you feel the need to conjure nefarious conspiracy theories - it's pure politics. Everything is filtered through the distorting lens of political expediency, regardless of benefit or detriment to society. Benefit or detriment to political standing is what counts, and that includes looking after vested interests. I don't think scientists and environmentalists bring fat cheque books to the table.
Who is going to pay for all that extra mass transit? Government through taxation. Politically difficult. And anyway, no-one is talking about banning aviation.
Aviation is far easier to handle politically - relatively few people (i.e. voters) have a direct personal involvement aside from catching the occasional flight, and there are only a few major players to deal with.
I'm not sure why you feel the need to conjure nefarious conspiracy theories - it's pure politics. Everything is filtered through the distorting lens of political expediency, regardless of benefit or detriment to society. Benefit or detriment to political standing is what counts, and that includes looking after vested interests. I don't think scientists and environmentalists bring fat cheque books to the table.
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why is mass transit seen as efficient?
is bloody isn't.
I can drive my car from where I am to exactly where I need to go in the minimum possible time. it would take about half a day longer each day to do it on public transport.
as a carer driving about 400km per week to appointments life would be impossible without the time efficiencies of my car.
I'm told that the suburban rail system uses as much electricity as the entire rest of Perth. it is only environmentally friendly inside perth. in Collie the power station burns prodigious amounts of coal out of sight to move the trains along.
it's nonsense.
is bloody isn't.
I can drive my car from where I am to exactly where I need to go in the minimum possible time. it would take about half a day longer each day to do it on public transport.
as a carer driving about 400km per week to appointments life would be impossible without the time efficiencies of my car.
I'm told that the suburban rail system uses as much electricity as the entire rest of Perth. it is only environmentally friendly inside perth. in Collie the power station burns prodigious amounts of coal out of sight to move the trains along.
it's nonsense.
Hmmm... did anyone actually watch the whole thing ?
I'm wondering if Methane Hydrate and Coal to Liquid (CTL) were covered ?
Perhaps the main villain of the piece could tell me..
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I'm wondering if Methane Hydrate and Coal to Liquid (CTL) were covered ?
Perhaps the main villain of the piece could tell me..
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Mass transit becomes more efficient as more people use it. If you live in places like NYC, London or Singapore that's how you move.
In terms of fuel burnt per kg carried motor cars are terribly inefficient, not to mention all the roads you have to build free of carbon tax.
However it is always trotted out like it's the bad guy when it is motor cars that are the issue but noone wants to even mention that.
In terms of fuel burnt per kg carried motor cars are terribly inefficient, not to mention all the roads you have to build free of carbon tax.
And anyway, no-one is talking about banning aviation.
, they can do all the Dick bashing they like but they can't take away your sense of humour 
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cecil I dont know that anyone here is bashing Dick at all.
it is just that the subject of his video fell in the centre of a much broader argument about the future of the planet, an argument full of pseudo science and nonsense.
it is just that the subject of his video fell in the centre of a much broader argument about the future of the planet, an argument full of pseudo science and nonsense.
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Whatever you may think of it W8 it's not pseudo-science: it's science. You may have stunning insight which allows you to refute the bulk of the peer-reviewed publication in the western world, in which case your best bet is to publish your material and wait for the scientific method to converge on the best-fit model, presumably incorporating your corrections.
There have been many instances - some in my own field - where this has happened. That's the great thing that the the Western Enlightenment gave us: an objective, evidence-based process. It's not perfect but it sure beats the hell out of blind prejudice and unguided assertion. But please, tell it like it is: it's the current best-fit model of Western science, as practised by the bulk of its exponents, with which you're in dispute.
I watched Dick's program and, while I didn't personally hear any new material or angles, I thought it had considerable value in getting across the imperative for innovation and/or change. If you do what you've always done, etc. Let's hope it makes people a bit more critical of the superficial solutions being tossed around in the election period, although you wait a long time in Australia for sensible political comment on science.
Oh, and and I also loved the aeroplanes Dick
There have been many instances - some in my own field - where this has happened. That's the great thing that the the Western Enlightenment gave us: an objective, evidence-based process. It's not perfect but it sure beats the hell out of blind prejudice and unguided assertion. But please, tell it like it is: it's the current best-fit model of Western science, as practised by the bulk of its exponents, with which you're in dispute.
I watched Dick's program and, while I didn't personally hear any new material or angles, I thought it had considerable value in getting across the imperative for innovation and/or change. If you do what you've always done, etc. Let's hope it makes people a bit more critical of the superficial solutions being tossed around in the election period, although you wait a long time in Australia for sensible political comment on science.
Oh, and and I also loved the aeroplanes Dick
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if you want innovation and change in australia you need to sort out the tax system, the dead hand of certification and much of the government "management".
why is it that the solar panel industry was kick started with a 45c a kWh buyback scheme that was dropped eventually killing the entire industry?
Why did BP-Solar, producers of some of the very best panels, get out of the business?
government managerial incompetence.
why do General Motors - Holdens receive government subsidies when their best effort is to produce the world biggest production muscle car?
my mazda 121 jellybeans at 200,000km are still more fuel efficient than their small car offering. Cant holden do anything efficient?
if the tax system was put on to a sliding scale where a 100mpg car saw zero tax and a petrol guzzler was highly taxed with a sliding scale between according to fuel economy the face of australian motoring would change overnight.
more government managerial incompetence.
you may love the science (note that CERN will be rewriting much of that soon) but it is the management of the country that makes it happen.
we havent seen good management for years.
why is it that the solar panel industry was kick started with a 45c a kWh buyback scheme that was dropped eventually killing the entire industry?
Why did BP-Solar, producers of some of the very best panels, get out of the business?
government managerial incompetence.
why do General Motors - Holdens receive government subsidies when their best effort is to produce the world biggest production muscle car?
my mazda 121 jellybeans at 200,000km are still more fuel efficient than their small car offering. Cant holden do anything efficient?
if the tax system was put on to a sliding scale where a 100mpg car saw zero tax and a petrol guzzler was highly taxed with a sliding scale between according to fuel economy the face of australian motoring would change overnight.
more government managerial incompetence.
you may love the science (note that CERN will be rewriting much of that soon) but it is the management of the country that makes it happen.
we havent seen good management for years.
why is it that the solar panel industry was kick started with a 45c a kWh buyback scheme that was dropped eventually killing the entire industry?
Rapid uptake of solar panels puts dent in electricity market, report shows - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Trouble is like any invention or good idea that saves money from the alternative it means someone is gunna lose & someone is gunna win money wise.
............"it's a poor mans invention if someone isn't making a profit out of it" There in lies the real problem with the word 'efficiencies'
I bought a property recently with solar planes on top & it's great, haven't paid a bill since in fact they pay me!
Moving man in real time simply is too costly, some one ought to re-run Star Trek & get some idea's
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............"it's a poor mans invention if someone isn't making a profit out of it" There in lies the real problem with the word 'efficiencies'
I bought a property recently with solar planes on top & it's great, haven't paid a bill since in fact they pay me!
Moving man in real time simply is too costly, some one ought to re-run Star Trek & get some idea's
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I bought a property recently with solar planes on top
Another way, did it influence you to buy the property or not?
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...You may have stunning insight which allows you to refute the bulk of the peer-reviewed publication in the western world, in which case your best bet is to publish your material and wait for the scientific method to converge on the best-fit model, presumably incorporating your corrections. ...
...You may have stunning insight which allows you to refute the bulk of the peer-reviewed publication in the western world, in which case your best bet is to publish your material and wait for the scientific method to converge on the best-fit model, presumably incorporating your corrections. ...
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All this statement does is show that the old adage is true: 'There's none so blind as he who will not see.'
hmmm. I havent seen any reduction in the cost of panels locally. I wonder if that is the fleecing aspect of the minerals boom.
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...although you wait a long time in Australia for sensible political comment on science.
...although you wait a long time in Australia for sensible political comment on science.
I've been covering the global warming nonsense in various forums for over 5 years now and have yet to see any actual 'proof' of claims outside of some computer climate model. Computer models that well enhance that old saying "garbage in = garbage out" (GIGO)
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On another related mater, i see the Oz government awarded, though miss-named, skeptical science web site has been discussing False Flag Operations.
Looks like the main Australian climate histeria web site has been carrying on like a bunch of immature kids... Again..
Read all about it... SkepticalScience goes Godwin-Nazi or something « JoNova
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Here's some more for you to cogitate on, WU8:
Solar panel rate in WA quadruples - The West Australian
Here's some more for you to cogitate on, WU8:
Solar panel rate in WA quadruples - The West Australian
via the Capn Bloggs link - "...factors fuelling the rush to solar panels included the more modest price paid to households for the excess power they produced, the fall in the retail prices of solar panels amid an influx of Chinese products and soaring electricity tariffs - which have risen 69 per cent in WA since 2009..."
So raising tariffs are the cause. Why have the tariffs been going up...
...Electricity tariff subsidies make up two per cent of general government expenses in 2013-14 or $554 million... No Cookies | Perth Now
How stupid can yer get. Drive up power prices because of some climate fantasy..
So now they still need to pay to have the power stations fer when the sun dont shine, massive amounts of taxpayer money is being wasted on unproductive infrastructure, power bills are higher making the state less competative and the Chinese solar manufactures are laughing all the way to the bank... real smart..
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