Dick Smith looks at Fuel Costs
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Dick I actually watched all the video.
dont get me wrong in all this your owning those wonderful aircraft is quite ok by me.
ok two questions.
is there a problem that will make the world as we know it unliveable?
if so what is the problem(s)?
...and dont say 'climate change' because the climate always changes. that is why the BOM has a job for life predicting what it will do next.
dont get me wrong in all this your owning those wonderful aircraft is quite ok by me.
ok two questions.
is there a problem that will make the world as we know it unliveable?
if so what is the problem(s)?
...and dont say 'climate change' because the climate always changes. that is why the BOM has a job for life predicting what it will do next.
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Loved the comment by the kid saying the politicians should do something sensible about fossil fuels running out instead of chasing polls. Brilliant! A year 6 student can identify the complete leadership void in Canberra at the moment
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Global Warming is a Scam
Global Warming is one of the great hoaxes. Not because of the sheer numbers that are involved in it, nor for the hitherto unequalled sums of money it will generate for its perpetrators. It will go down in history as the worst wrong turn made by the human race. The arguments rage over weather (sic) the climate warms or cools, but in reality, our knowledge of the planets climate, though growing, is just a tiny blip in the history of Earth. We cannot extrapolate the behaviour of the atmosphere beyond a week. Yet the globalists would have us believe that the climate is warming because we are emitting tiny fractions of a gas that is measured in parts per million.
A large percentage of the population understand we are destroying the environment and ecosystems of the planet. Helped along by a media campaign of the usual nauseating orgy of self-flagellating guilt, the population have fallen hook line and sinker, and they are now ready to crash headlong into saving the planet. Henny Penny Wong says the sky is falling and we must act immediately for we will all die. The only way out is to create a tax on, wait for it, ENERGY!
Many of us have noticed changes in the weather, because weather changes, but what do those changes mean? Rather like the 13th century religious fanatics who argued over the hierarchy of archangels in heaven, the Climate Changers argue over a subject they know little about. The worth of the data the Climate Changers put out is of the same value as the religious dogma. Meanwhile the same guys that brought us the GFC are sitting back in the wings, sniffing the blood in the water, laughing at us for falling for the most basic scam of all, the world is ending.
The real danger, which the globalists have no intention of stopping, is the rape of the Earth's resources for profit. Vast swathes of forest disappearing, fisheries harvested to exhaustion, habitat destruction and the unparalleled species extinction rate (except homosapiens) are the reasons why Mother Nature will turn against us. It is not because we emit a gas that helps plants grow. It's because we have radically altered the face of the Earth.
The real tragedy of climate change will not be the amount of money that it will fleece from the population. It will be the missed opportunity of mankind to attack the real problem, overpopulation, by peaceful means. Make no mistake if this tax is passed into law it will be used to fund war and the population problem will be solved by violence, not by intellect. We stand at the dawn of the information age, empowered by our understanding. Will we succumb to our base animal instincts and destroy the Earth, or will we rise above our petty quarrels and fulfil our true role, to protect the Garden of Eden we are already in. What if we are alone in the universe?
A large percentage of the population understand we are destroying the environment and ecosystems of the planet. Helped along by a media campaign of the usual nauseating orgy of self-flagellating guilt, the population have fallen hook line and sinker, and they are now ready to crash headlong into saving the planet. Henny Penny Wong says the sky is falling and we must act immediately for we will all die. The only way out is to create a tax on, wait for it, ENERGY!
Many of us have noticed changes in the weather, because weather changes, but what do those changes mean? Rather like the 13th century religious fanatics who argued over the hierarchy of archangels in heaven, the Climate Changers argue over a subject they know little about. The worth of the data the Climate Changers put out is of the same value as the religious dogma. Meanwhile the same guys that brought us the GFC are sitting back in the wings, sniffing the blood in the water, laughing at us for falling for the most basic scam of all, the world is ending.
The real danger, which the globalists have no intention of stopping, is the rape of the Earth's resources for profit. Vast swathes of forest disappearing, fisheries harvested to exhaustion, habitat destruction and the unparalleled species extinction rate (except homosapiens) are the reasons why Mother Nature will turn against us. It is not because we emit a gas that helps plants grow. It's because we have radically altered the face of the Earth.
The real tragedy of climate change will not be the amount of money that it will fleece from the population. It will be the missed opportunity of mankind to attack the real problem, overpopulation, by peaceful means. Make no mistake if this tax is passed into law it will be used to fund war and the population problem will be solved by violence, not by intellect. We stand at the dawn of the information age, empowered by our understanding. Will we succumb to our base animal instincts and destroy the Earth, or will we rise above our petty quarrels and fulfil our true role, to protect the Garden of Eden we are already in. What if we are alone in the universe?
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shagpile all of electrical theory is based on electrons flowing from the positive electrode to the negative electrode. it was accepted for years.
then they discovered that the electron has a negative charge....
the number of believers means nothing other than they believe.
however incorrectly they may believe.
then they discovered that the electron has a negative charge....
the number of believers means nothing other than they believe.
however incorrectly they may believe.
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CO2 the basic facts
Not everybody that disagrees with the government is a crackpot.
TBH, I can't wait for TEOTWAWKI, preferably from a zombie apocalypse! But the government will probably just try and find a way to take the fun out of that as well.
Not everybody that disagrees with the government is a crackpot.
TBH, I can't wait for TEOTWAWKI, preferably from a zombie apocalypse! But the government will probably just try and find a way to take the fun out of that as well.
My doco was not about global warming or climate change.
No one knows for sure if human activity is effecting the climate.
The so called "supporters" of human induced climate change say they are 90% sure. The dis- believers are 120% sure.
I think I will stick to the more conservative view as being most likely.
No one knows for sure if human activity is effecting the climate.
The so called "supporters" of human induced climate change say they are 90% sure. The dis- believers are 120% sure.
I think I will stick to the more conservative view as being most likely.
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Elephant in the Room
Energy scarcity cannot be discussed without discussing Climate Change or the absence of it. In the current debate they are not mutually exclusive and one cannot be debated without addressing the other. It seems that like most of the 1% its do as I say not do as I do. I won't hold my breath awaiting you doing your bit Dick by parking up the toys. Meanwhile I will do my bit, burning heaps of hydrocarbons to improve the environment by helping plants to breathe, creating more rain by supposedly raising the temperature, and providing a market for the production of advanced engineering such as aviation, a skill set that will be part of the better future of the planet
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my hat goes off to you dick for supporting the sensible view.
so it really was about fuel hitting ten bucks a litre.
how much fuel do you use a year roughly?
so it really was about fuel hitting ten bucks a litre.
how much fuel do you use a year roughly?
Have no idea. If I knew I would probably sell my aircraft.
I do have an electric car that has no fossil fuel input at all.
But that's just pure tokenism. Now awaiting an electric Agusta and Citation.
I do have an electric car that has no fossil fuel input at all.
But that's just pure tokenism. Now awaiting an electric Agusta and Citation.
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just saw a video on a Natural Gas powered Supercub... at Oshkosh. 
and Pipistrel are developing a Hybrid and pure electric Panthera.
and my next project is a Virus SW100, 100 Hp, multi point injected rotax, 15 ltrs and hour, 150 kts cruise.
the future of GA aviation technology is no longer in the USA. but Europe.. wonder just how much the legal system has strangled GA in the USA and most of the world.
and Pipistrel are developing a Hybrid and pure electric Panthera.
and my next project is a Virus SW100, 100 Hp, multi point injected rotax, 15 ltrs and hour, 150 kts cruise.
the future of GA aviation technology is no longer in the USA. but Europe.. wonder just how much the legal system has strangled GA in the USA and most of the world.
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Dick I have the same attitude. accountancy has no part of aviation.
in the end it does not matter how much fuel you use. you love aviation.
and btw your fuel use, although higher than mine, is positively saintly in comparison to Kevin747 whose incompetence will in large measure push the fuel price to the level you suggest.
a late postscript: Dick if you sold your aeroplanes over some concern about fuel we'd (not you, us) be stuffed totally. We'd have nobody to envy :-)
We'd all just sit around feeling complacent and well off. There would be nothing to force us to strive beyond our crushing level of vanilla mediocrity.
You! owe it to us to luxuriate in wealth, to fly aeroplanes we'd polish for free.
Should you wish to accept the role it is your job to fly even more exotic aircraft and unsettle us into striving harder
in the end it does not matter how much fuel you use. you love aviation.
and btw your fuel use, although higher than mine, is positively saintly in comparison to Kevin747 whose incompetence will in large measure push the fuel price to the level you suggest.
a late postscript: Dick if you sold your aeroplanes over some concern about fuel we'd (not you, us) be stuffed totally. We'd have nobody to envy :-)
We'd all just sit around feeling complacent and well off. There would be nothing to force us to strive beyond our crushing level of vanilla mediocrity.
You! owe it to us to luxuriate in wealth, to fly aeroplanes we'd polish for free.
Should you wish to accept the role it is your job to fly even more exotic aircraft and unsettle us into striving harder
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There is a guy at Headcorn in the UK who has installed solar panels over the entire large hangar roof. He was awaiting the delivery of 3 Cessna 182 sized aircraft which were installed with lithium cell electric power systems that would give two hours of flight. i forget the charge time but it was to be a totally solar powered off the grid system.
I wonder how it panned out in practise???
Does anyone on here hail from headcorn?
I wonder how it panned out in practise???
Does anyone on here hail from headcorn?
Yes you don't fly if you cannot afford the fuel! My rough guide is if you can't put the fuel docket in your wallet without looking at it, you probably should have a smaller engine.
I wouldn't be able to fill up a Learjet without looking at the fuel docket so it's clearly out of my budget!! But 50L once a week - awesome!
W8 - this is for you!! xkcd: Urgent Mission
I wouldn't be able to fill up a Learjet without looking at the fuel docket so it's clearly out of my budget!! But 50L once a week - awesome!
W8 - this is for you!! xkcd: Urgent Mission
Havnt seen the program yet so i'm wondering if it touched on Methane Hydrate and CTL ?
As posted previously...
"...Shenhua has stated that its first CTL plant, a direct liquefaction facility in the Ordos Basin, has an all-in cost of $60 per barrel and that it is very profitable...."
Quadrant Online - China's coal-to-liquid gambit
"... Japan announced this week it had successfully extracted gas from a deposit of frozen methane hydrates buried a little more than half a mile beneath the sea..."
Japan successfully extracts gas from offshore methane hydrates | Arcticgas.gov
Both these fuel 'options' eliminate any fuel shortage argument.
Did the programme address these options ?
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As posted previously...
"...Shenhua has stated that its first CTL plant, a direct liquefaction facility in the Ordos Basin, has an all-in cost of $60 per barrel and that it is very profitable...."
Quadrant Online - China's coal-to-liquid gambit
"... Japan announced this week it had successfully extracted gas from a deposit of frozen methane hydrates buried a little more than half a mile beneath the sea..."
Japan successfully extracts gas from offshore methane hydrates | Arcticgas.gov
Both these fuel 'options' eliminate any fuel shortage argument.
Did the programme address these options ?
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'Oracle1' I couldn't agree more with yr lengthy post regrading this scam
It's the 2nd biggest con since mankind arose from the waters, Religion was the first & look what that has done to the world, divided it, set fear amongst the masses & has been responsible for more deaths than any other.(personal opinion so relax God botheres!)
For the miniscule amount of time man has been around compared to who knows how long this piece of rock has been around the notion that we are making that big a difference in this tiny space of time is preposterous (luv that word & thank God....pun intended for spell checker)
By the time our great great great great great grand kids are adults I seriously doubt there will be anyone left standing anyway due mankind's own self destructive way of life (not climate change either).
Govt's has far more destructive power than anything man as a collective can inflict on the planet!
We use planes as a form of transport, it's still primitive & hasn't changed at all in principle since the Wrong Bro's kicked it all off & still using the most basic of fuels known to mankind (Hydrocarbons)so perhaps one day well after we here have all gone that man will invent a better 'mouse trap' but for now we slowly go round & round in circles achieving not much other than making things harder for ourselves with a lot of 'feel-good' actions being taken
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Wmk2
It's the 2nd biggest con since mankind arose from the waters, Religion was the first & look what that has done to the world, divided it, set fear amongst the masses & has been responsible for more deaths than any other.(personal opinion so relax God botheres!)
For the miniscule amount of time man has been around compared to who knows how long this piece of rock has been around the notion that we are making that big a difference in this tiny space of time is preposterous (luv that word & thank God....pun intended for spell checker)
By the time our great great great great great grand kids are adults I seriously doubt there will be anyone left standing anyway due mankind's own self destructive way of life (not climate change either).
Govt's has far more destructive power than anything man as a collective can inflict on the planet!
We use planes as a form of transport, it's still primitive & hasn't changed at all in principle since the Wrong Bro's kicked it all off & still using the most basic of fuels known to mankind (Hydrocarbons)so perhaps one day well after we here have all gone that man will invent a better 'mouse trap' but for now we slowly go round & round in circles achieving not much other than making things harder for ourselves with a lot of 'feel-good' actions being taken
.Wmk2
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Was there not a version of the 'Big Bad B-36' that was going to be nuke powered?
How was that going to work??
Aircraft stays airborne on virtually unlimited fuel = endurance of...??
(Crew grows old and dies...)
Or was the amount of water for the boiler the limiting factor...??
Toot Toot...!!!
Cheers
How was that going to work??
Aircraft stays airborne on virtually unlimited fuel = endurance of...??
(Crew grows old and dies...)
Or was the amount of water for the boiler the limiting factor...??
Toot Toot...!!!
Cheers
P.s. Hey Wal,
Father O'Reilly says to say 'hello'...
And next time, put something on the plate...
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Father O'Reilly says to say 'hello'...
And next time, put something on the plate...
.
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Wally I normally like your stuff but I reckon you are off the boil with your (commonly espoused view) of religion causing more deaths than anything else. On the other hand, you might be onto something here:
And the ideologies behind said governments has a very important part to play with regards to those 'deaths.' I'm afraid when you compare the traditionally Christian based values of traditional western governments you generally have far more advanced tolerant and peaceful societies than governments that have tried to enforce or 'remove' a religion or religions. I'm afraid the records from history with Nazi and Communist regimes (as a 'recent' example, although extreme) don't provide either pleasant or successful results on that front - and the death count...?!!
What causes man to kill each other? Lack of true unselfish love and tolerance on the one hand and the presence of greed and evil on the other. I think it is going to take something greater than ourselves to fix that one...
However, moving right along as the moderators must be getting twitchy about this subject...
Would be great to see some vision from a government party that would be willing to stick their neck out on actually promoting some 'nation building' and embrace some technological advancements that would benefit everyone in the long term. Yep, I must be dreaming, I'll wake up now...
Govt's has far more destructive power than anything man as a collective can inflict on the planet!
What causes man to kill each other? Lack of true unselfish love and tolerance on the one hand and the presence of greed and evil on the other. I think it is going to take something greater than ourselves to fix that one...
However, moving right along as the moderators must be getting twitchy about this subject...
Would be great to see some vision from a government party that would be willing to stick their neck out on actually promoting some 'nation building' and embrace some technological advancements that would benefit everyone in the long term. Yep, I must be dreaming, I'll wake up now...
If climate change was real then you would want to push everyone into mass transit and make it efficient.
Airline Aviation is one of the most efficient forms of transport per unit and the motor car one of the least.
Yet out of some mysterious piece of political engineering aviation is painted as the bad guy and noone wants to take on the motor car.
If climate change is real then the motor car has to go. The biggest hypocrisy of the climate change believers is their lack of will power to get rid of the motor car. If you believe in climate change the motor car has to go, mass transit in Trams/Trains/Aeroplanes/Boats (sailing if you want to get fair dinkum) is the way forward, yet the greenies don't want to talk about it.
To fly anywhere in Australia you only need 2kms of bitumen at one end and 2km at the other the rest can be pristine wilderness if you want. Yet noone wants to tax the real cost of roads, or the loss of habitat to build your road. And sorry Dick you and all your private aviators will have to give up your private aircraft. You can get on with everybody else.
So until the climate change believers start getting rid of the motor car they're not serious.
Which tends to lead me to believe that it is all just a nefarious plot to what end am I yet to figure out. Ultimate form of taxation maybe?
Airline Aviation is one of the most efficient forms of transport per unit and the motor car one of the least.
Yet out of some mysterious piece of political engineering aviation is painted as the bad guy and noone wants to take on the motor car.
If climate change is real then the motor car has to go. The biggest hypocrisy of the climate change believers is their lack of will power to get rid of the motor car. If you believe in climate change the motor car has to go, mass transit in Trams/Trains/Aeroplanes/Boats (sailing if you want to get fair dinkum) is the way forward, yet the greenies don't want to talk about it.
To fly anywhere in Australia you only need 2kms of bitumen at one end and 2km at the other the rest can be pristine wilderness if you want. Yet noone wants to tax the real cost of roads, or the loss of habitat to build your road. And sorry Dick you and all your private aviators will have to give up your private aircraft. You can get on with everybody else.
So until the climate change believers start getting rid of the motor car they're not serious.
Which tends to lead me to believe that it is all just a nefarious plot to what end am I yet to figure out. Ultimate form of taxation maybe?
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