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Belfast in Cairns

Old 20th Sep 2023, 14:22
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Looks like a game of pass the parcel...
That's just that rego, not the aircraft itself.
This is the aircraft history:
N1819S Bank of Utah Short SC.5 Belfast (planespotters.net)
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Old 20th Sep 2023, 21:07
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Originally Posted by StallsandSpins
its not inconceivable that the aircraft has some value. with the war in Ukraine and sanctions on Russia the continued operations of the Antonovs in the west for outsize cargo is probably over....if HARS got that Constellation going (im pretty sure it doesn't have a full C of A either ) i don't see why the Belfast couldn't be made flyable ....its not like it would be being used for flying pax. The RR tynes are probably simpler and more reliable than the turbo compound Wrights on the Connie too. good luck to them ! If the owner is who i think it is im sure he could do it
Think your dreaming.

The engines wouldn’t be the main problem as they could be overhauled, whereas removing the intergranular corrosion in the airframe might present some structural problems, together with a lot of other problems such as old hoses, wiring and seals.

It would be great to see it be dismantled and moved to an aviation museum.
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Old 20th Sep 2023, 21:57
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The owner has the ability and tickets to get the aircraft flying.
The owner has a huge supply of spare engines and props.
The airframe is in remarkable condition and airworthy
The aircraft sits on a new undercarriage, brakes, tyres, hydraulics, the lot.
The aircraft is FMS equipped for serious IFR flight
The aircraft has a triple redundant full auto land capability

Stalls and Spins ... Yes you do know him very well as did your grandfather!
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Old 20th Sep 2023, 22:45
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A huge supply of spare engines and props would be great if they had useful calendar life remaining. Otherwise, even if they are unused, it’s back to an approved overhaul shop.
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Old 20th Sep 2023, 23:08
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Originally Posted by StallsandSpins
its not inconceivable that the aircraft has some value. with the war in Ukraine and sanctions on Russia the continued operations of the Antonovs in the west for outsize cargo is probably over....if HARS got that Constellation going (im pretty sure it doesn't have a full C of A either ) i don't see why the Belfast couldn't be made flyable ....its not like it would be being used for flying pax. The RR tynes are probably simpler and more reliable than the turbo compound Wrights on the Connie too. good luck to them ! If the owner is who i think it is im sure he could do it
Would it get there in time.....It wasn't known as the Belslow for no reason.....
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Old 20th Sep 2023, 23:32
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Originally Posted by Old aeroplane geek
The owner has the ability and tickets to get the aircraft flying.
The owner has a huge supply of spare engines and props.
The airframe is in remarkable condition and airworthy
The aircraft sits on a new undercarriage, brakes, tyres, hydraulics, the lot.
The aircraft is FMS equipped for serious IFR flight
The aircraft has a triple redundant full auto land capability
No mention of a Part 121 AOC.

I can just imagine the fun in getting the AOC to operate it commercially, in any country let alone Australia.

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Old 21st Sep 2023, 01:29
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Post # 89 ... the "poster" is suggesting a Helicopter operator maybe a part owner of the Belfast. Given the world wide nature of their operation, the Belfast would be a good choice.
A quick Wiki look at the aircraft would suggest a purpose built military aircraft with a floor designed to take Tanks.
I'm guessing this would be ideal for a bunch of fire fighting Bell 214's ??? and Refuelling vehicles, spare parts and a service vehicle.
This to me would suggest a PRIVATE operation with no AOC required.

One thing is certain; the aircraft will fly again and I believe it will be very successful for the owners/operator.
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Old 21st Sep 2023, 11:29
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Originally Posted by Petropavlovsk
Post # 89 ... the "poster" is suggesting a Helicopter operator maybe a part owner of the Belfast. Given the world wide nature of their operation, the Belfast would be a good choice.
A quick Wiki look at the aircraft would suggest a purpose built military aircraft with a floor designed to take Tanks.
I'm guessing this would be ideal for a bunch of fire fighting Bell 214's ??? and Refuelling vehicles, spare parts and a service vehicle.
This to me would suggest a PRIVATE operation with no AOC required.

One thing is certain; the aircraft will fly again and I believe it will be very successful for the owners/operator.
What could possibly go wrong?

Fully loaded with choppers, ground support equipment and all the rest of it and it goes U/S in a foreign country!

The owner will require extremely deep pockets!

Commercial risk? Obviously nothing!

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Old 21st Sep 2023, 13:11
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a positive cheerful and proactive lot to be found here !
Would it get there in time.....It wasn't known as the Belslow for no reason....
the slowest aircraft is still an order of magnitude faster than a boat
Think your dreaming.

The engines wouldn’t be the main problem as they could be overhauled, whereas removing the intergranular corrosion in the airframe might present some structural problems, together with a lot of other problems such as old hoses, wiring and seals.

It would be great to see it be dismantled and moved to an aviation museum
how did HARS manage the intragranular corrosion on the constellation?....that had decades worth of corrosive bird crap in it when they recovered it ....corrosion is always a possibility in any aircraft but its not an inevitability.
anyway the Belfast was only buillt in 1964 so its only midlife by Australian GA standards ....being a such a specialized aircraft it probably doesn't have that many hours on it either.
What could possibly go wrong?

Fully loaded with choppers, ground support equipment and all the rest of it and it goes U/S in a foreign country!

The owner will require extremely deep pockets!

Commercial risk? Obviously nothing!
guess who ultimately pays for all these contract fire fighting helicopters?
its probably the only civilian aircraft capable of doing this...there would be extra $$$ for the operators in being able to get from one fire season to the next ASAP
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Old 22nd Sep 2023, 00:17
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It must be cleaned up at least a little if the owner is showing folks like Dave Soderstrom around:

https://www.abc.net.au/listen/progra...port/102881228
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Old 22nd Sep 2023, 02:17
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All hats off to those who have the business foresight and $ to go with it to refurb and put Hector to good use.
Better for it to be worn out with use than to be reduced to scrap.
I look fwd to some pix of it back in the air soon and read about it’s chopper shifting travels.
Go well, Hector !!
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Old 23rd Sep 2023, 15:15
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Originally Posted by Kagamuga
Very long time ago when Chieftain last flew; so much so it does not even appear on FlightAware as a listed aircraft.
Is that Chieftain ‘AFW still there?

Flew it a long time ago and am passing through Cairns next month…
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Old 23rd Sep 2023, 21:55
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G-CLAW, yes it is, although hardly recognised as an aircraft. Still registered in Fred Marten's brothers name.
Rotted out, holes from corrosion, head towards to Belfast, the Chieftain is in the rubbish dump.
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Old 23rd Sep 2023, 22:41
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VH-AFW

Thanks Kagamuga.

Flew her when she was brand-new, many happy memories…

Hopefully I’ll get to see both of them one last time 🤞

CLAW
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Old 3rd Oct 2023, 16:56
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Originally Posted by Duck Pilot
Think your dreaming.

The engines wouldn’t be the main problem as they could be overhauled, whereas removing the intergranular corrosion in the airframe might present some structural problems, together with a lot of other problems such as old hoses, wiring and seals.

It would be great to see it be dismantled and moved to an aviation museum.
Posted on the flypast forums..

I wonder if this is linked to the sale of 3 ex German C-160's, and a large number of spares to Australia? Of course both share the same engines, could be completeley unconnected of course.
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Old 3rd Oct 2023, 18:08
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There is one in a museum in UK. I reckon the chances of getting that airborne are better than Hector. After all, the UK one has spent some 15 years in a hangar, and possibly more before that.
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Old 2nd Dec 2023, 12:05
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Having noticed activity in CNS boneyard 29/11/23 went back to see how close one could get - will post photos as soon as possible
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Old 17th Dec 2023, 20:52
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With Cairns Airport underwater, the Belfast is now imitating her ancestors.
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Old 17th Dec 2023, 22:38
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Originally Posted by Fris B. Fairing
With Cairns Airport underwater, the Belfast is now imitating her ancestors.
Unlike the lighties nearby, it looks quite okay to me:



That Belfast sure would make a good flying boat!
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Old 18th Dec 2023, 21:27
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And Shorts know a thing or two about them....
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