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So what is not professional about VFR in appropriate circumstances??? Don't
these guys operate to a number of remote mining strips?
Can fly into remote mining strips but must remain clear of cloud.... Hmmm.
Please, don't be so naive.
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Gunger if your comment was at me I can tell you after 36 years flying all over the world I bloody well DO have half an idea!
Stacko... I have had a little bit to do with these guys recently.. If you have real dirt dish it up.... from what I have seen they are a very professional outfit.
What is your story? Are you an ex employee with some issue????? Do you have have some grudge against JR?
If you have real evidence post it!
Otherwise get off their case... seems like a good operation with a chance of making a go of it!... anyone prepared to put their balls on the line to create jobs is admirable!
Stacko... I have had a little bit to do with these guys recently.. If you have real dirt dish it up.... from what I have seen they are a very professional outfit.
What is your story? Are you an ex employee with some issue????? Do you have have some grudge against JR?
If you have real evidence post it!
Otherwise get off their case... seems like a good operation with a chance of making a go of it!... anyone prepared to put their balls on the line to create jobs is admirable!
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I don't have anything to do with jetgo or their opposition but, if true, I can't think of one sound reason why one would elect fly a regional sized jet VFR on commercial ops.
Knowing mining companies, I'd be surprised if their aviation auditor allowed it.
Knowing mining companies, I'd be surprised if their aviation auditor allowed it.
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CS... I think the comment made re VFR was a bit of sh!t stirring...
At the altitudes they are flying they are obviously not VFR!!!
As I said we have had a little bit to do with these guys recently and from first hand experience they seem to run a very good operation.
At the altitudes they are flying they are obviously not VFR!!!
As I said we have had a little bit to do with these guys recently and from first hand experience they seem to run a very good operation.
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As I said we have had a little bit to do with these guys recently and from first hand experience they seem to run a very good operation.
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VFR is a perfectly legitimate flight regime, just as IFR.
OCTA, in VMC, apart from "no reported IFR traffic" and a SAR which is surely being held exactly what is the difference.
For example, repositioning from a mine site to YBMA for fuel, what is the difference?
Clogging up the system?
Some of you guys need need to get in the real world just a few times a year.
One mate who flies commercially now but flew fast military jets in Europe and the UK is still pissing his pnts over ths topic........he wonders how on earth he survived all those years. Outback Australia must be a lot more dangerous than sandy war zones and other hostile European destinations
OCTA, in VMC, apart from "no reported IFR traffic" and a SAR which is surely being held exactly what is the difference.
For example, repositioning from a mine site to YBMA for fuel, what is the difference?
Clogging up the system?
Some of you guys need need to get in the real world just a few times a year.
One mate who flies commercially now but flew fast military jets in Europe and the UK is still pissing his pnts over ths topic........he wonders how on earth he survived all those years. Outback Australia must be a lot more dangerous than sandy war zones and other hostile European destinations
Digression. Nothing to do with Jetgo
You answered your question in your second paragraph. No one said it can't be done.
I've spent many years flying VFR and IFR in the outback so am pretty familiar with the real world, if that's what you want call it.
Give me one good reason why you wouldn't fly a turboprop or jet IFR on commercial/awk ops in outback Oz? Even on short positioning flights from the mine to say Isa or Laverton.
I've spent many years flying VFR and IFR in the outback so am pretty familiar with the real world, if that's what you want call it.
Give me one good reason why you wouldn't fly a turboprop or jet IFR on commercial/awk ops in outback Oz? Even on short positioning flights from the mine to say Isa or Laverton.
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If I answered it in the second paragraph, then..... Why would I fly it IFR either? 
Chicken/ Egg?
Makes no difference and more the point, one is no more "professional" than the other.
The inference was doing the odd VFR leg, for goodness knows what reason s a sign of gross unprofessional operations. Now Stallie, you surely know that ain't true?
Is the glass half full or half empty.......some would complain that the glass is a birt grubby. Others might say the glass is too big.
Just sayin....
Chicken/ Egg?
Makes no difference and more the point, one is no more "professional" than the other.
The inference was doing the odd VFR leg, for goodness knows what reason s a sign of gross unprofessional operations. Now Stallie, you surely know that ain't true?
Is the glass half full or half empty.......some would complain that the glass is a birt grubby. Others might say the glass is too big.
Just sayin....
I never mentioned, nor implied, anything about gross unprofessionalism.
The cold fact is that VFR is less safe than IFR.
If I heard a commercial operating jet operating from a to b OCTA under the VFR I'd think that odd. There could be a perfectly valid reason for it, but I can't think of one that would offset the reduction in safety from a risk management point of view. No one else has replied either with one.
Mining companies mostly have higher requirements than CASA in general for aviation operations. The ones I've dealt with over the years insist on all ops (even OCTA and with two separate independant satellite tracking systems on board) being IFR.
For a reason.
The cold fact is that VFR is less safe than IFR.
If I heard a commercial operating jet operating from a to b OCTA under the VFR I'd think that odd. There could be a perfectly valid reason for it, but I can't think of one that would offset the reduction in safety from a risk management point of view. No one else has replied either with one.
Mining companies mostly have higher requirements than CASA in general for aviation operations. The ones I've dealt with over the years insist on all ops (even OCTA and with two separate independant satellite tracking systems on board) being IFR.
For a reason.
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Fact or fiction?
The cold fact is that VFR is less safe than IFR.
...is it still called agoraphobia when a person is scared of even looking at the outside world when nobody else is around?
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Time to grow up and take the good with the bad. If you don't like it then you should take to conventional methods and advertise JetGo in the correct media forum and pay for it from your pocket rather than seek free plugs on PPRuNe.
90% of the time the comments made on PPRuNe about many operators have been reasonably consistent with what I have seen, the good, the bad and the ugly.... but on this thread and a previous thread saw some posts that were very negative against these guys but are very different from what I have seen and heard in the air... so what gives?
Why is there a group set on these guys in particular, but say other FIFO operators like Skytrans & Alliance are a protected species (who btw I also think are mostly professional operators).
If someone raises a negative point fine, but back it up!
I knew JR years ago and from what I see he is a guy having a go, and putting his nads on the line. They are creating more flying jobs in what looks like some good equipment!
I sincerely hope they are a success.
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VFR or Visual, Conspiracy or F@#K UP
I would be giving them the benefit of the doubt. As they say: "If faced with either a conspiracy or a a f@#k up I would put my money on the latter" Or words to that effect.
I would suspect they meant to say "visual" and "VFR" came out. By the sounds of it it was a broadcast and rather than expect traffic to translate their positions from visual references to a position relative to a navaid they were letting any potential traffic know that they were aware of their position with reference to the ground.
I would suspect they meant to say "visual" and "VFR" came out. By the sounds of it it was a broadcast and rather than expect traffic to translate their positions from visual references to a position relative to a navaid they were letting any potential traffic know that they were aware of their position with reference to the ground.
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No I dont work for them but knowing the CP, JR and AM i can vouch for their professionalism. The operation would be professional run, they have a lot on the line give them a go.