USA OUTLAWS EU Carbon Tax...
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Well Frank, if you really want to avoid 'floods', you could wander over to the West,....we haven't had real rain here for a g e s . . .
Dunno about the sunburn though....
Merry Christmas to yerself too......
Dunno about the sunburn though....
Merry Christmas to yerself too......
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Mate, if I can get a water frontage here in 12" rainfall area west NSW, I'm hanging in there. Imagine the capital gain, imagine the fishing, bugga me, I'll have to sell the boat trailer.
All the best to you too buddy.
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What a load of useless, oxygen and carbon and carbohydrate wasting discussion this is.
Climate change, hmm... no longer Global Warming, huh?
Well climate change has been happening constantly, just not at a constant rate of change.
Act now!!!!!! ummmm.... on what?
Stop living? Go back to how we lived 150 years ago? With the current population globally? nice.
Sea will rise, for whatever reason. Storms will get bigger, heat waves, cold snaps, etc, etc.
Chinese will get richer and they aren't going to stop for climate change... nor will the Indians. Nor the Africans. Fast forward 25 years and we will keep digging the dirt here and sending it off, climate change or not.
I remember as a kid the socialist/communist regime of the time saying how the west was the source of all evil, with their capitalist ideas polluting the environment, all the while they spewed radioactive and chemical waste directly out into the rivers and lakes.
Man made?
Even if it were so, it is unstoppable.
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Climate change, hmm... no longer Global Warming, huh?
Well climate change has been happening constantly, just not at a constant rate of change.
Act now!!!!!! ummmm.... on what?
Stop living? Go back to how we lived 150 years ago? With the current population globally? nice.
Sea will rise, for whatever reason. Storms will get bigger, heat waves, cold snaps, etc, etc.
Chinese will get richer and they aren't going to stop for climate change... nor will the Indians. Nor the Africans. Fast forward 25 years and we will keep digging the dirt here and sending it off, climate change or not.
I remember as a kid the socialist/communist regime of the time saying how the west was the source of all evil, with their capitalist ideas polluting the environment, all the while they spewed radioactive and chemical waste directly out into the rivers and lakes.
Man made?
Even if it were so, it is unstoppable.
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peterc005, you just aren't getting it are you.
You ask people to provide evidence to support their wild claims, and so people like FGD135 and others give you the evidence (opposing the fact that we're all gonna melt into puddles of bodily fluids on the footpath by the end of this century) and yet you are ignoring it and continuing with the name calling, probably in the hope of distracting yourself and others from that evidence.
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Anyway, I watched The Inconvenient Truth not too long after it was released, and there's a couple of hours I'll never get back, and I keep remembering the graph he dramatically presented showing CO2 levels (red line) and the apparent resulting changes in the temperature (blue line). Remember this?
Well, according to the red line in this graph it looks as though the blue line is gonna have to skyrocket too (after all, these are facts being shown aren't they?), and we might actually become puddles of bodily fluids on the footpath, because holy crap it's going to reach about 3000 degrees soon.
Is this some of the irrefutable evidence you keep mentioning?
I'll give Mr Gore an A+ for drama with that huge screen and the rising platform he was standing on. Bravo.
I've been wondering, whatever happened to that ice age the scientists were predicting in the 70s? Apparently they also had 30 years of scientific data to back their claims. I guess they were just nutters too, because they don't support your beliefs. Right peterc005?
I...sometimes join in to ask people substantiate their wild claims
nutters of various flavours melt away in the light of facts and scientific thought
Anyway, I watched The Inconvenient Truth not too long after it was released, and there's a couple of hours I'll never get back, and I keep remembering the graph he dramatically presented showing CO2 levels (red line) and the apparent resulting changes in the temperature (blue line). Remember this?
Well, according to the red line in this graph it looks as though the blue line is gonna have to skyrocket too (after all, these are facts being shown aren't they?), and we might actually become puddles of bodily fluids on the footpath, because holy crap it's going to reach about 3000 degrees soon.
Is this some of the irrefutable evidence you keep mentioning?
I'll give Mr Gore an A+ for drama with that huge screen and the rising platform he was standing on. Bravo.
I've been wondering, whatever happened to that ice age the scientists were predicting in the 70s? Apparently they also had 30 years of scientific data to back their claims. I guess they were just nutters too, because they don't support your beliefs. Right peterc005?
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About that movie "An Inconvenient Truth":
Soon after the film began screenings in UK schools, some members of the public brought a lawsuit alleging the film was promoting partisan political views, which is illegal in UK schools unless there are appropriate warnings.
The judge hearing the case, Justice Burton, found that the movie constituted "propaganda" and made a ruling that further screenings must be accompanied by explanations of the errors.
The judge found nine "errors". They were:
1. Sea level rise of up to 20 feet (7 metres) will be caused by melting of either West Antarctica or Greenland.
Justice Burton: "This is distinctly alarmist ... (and) is not in line with the scientific consensus".
2. Low-lying islands in the Pacific Ocean are having to be evacuated because of the effects of global warming.
Gore himself makes the statement "that's why the citizens of these Pacific nations have all had to evacuate to New Zealand."
Justice Burton: "There is no evidence of any such evacuation having yet happened".
3. The Gulf Stream would be shut down by global warming, causing sharp cooling in northwest Europe.
Justice Burton: "According to the IPCC, it is very unlikely that the (effect) will shut down in the future".
4. There was an exact fit between graphs showing changes in carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere and global temperatures over a period of 650,000 years.
Justice Burton: "... the two graphs do not establish what Mr Gore asserts."
5. The disappearance of snow on Mount Kilimanjaro in Tanzania was due to global warming.
Justice Burton: "... the scientific consensus is that it cannot be established that the recession of snows on Mt Kilimanjaro is mainly attributable to human-induced climate change".
6. The shrinkage of Lake Chad in Africa was caused by global warming.
Justice Burton: "... the evidence remains insufficient to establish such an attribution".
7. Hurricane Katrina was likewise caused by global warming.
Justice Burton: "It is common ground that there is insufficient evidence to show that."
8. Polar bears were being found drowned after having to swim long distances to find the (melting) ice.
Justice Burton: "The only scientific study ... indicates that four polar bears have recently been found drowned because of a storm."
9. Coral reefs were being bleached by the effects of global warming and other factors.
Justice Burton: "... separating the impacts of climate change-related stresses from other stresses, such as over-fishing and polluting, is difficult."
More information on the lawsuit here:
Dimmock v Secretary of State for Education and Skills - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Soon after the film began screenings in UK schools, some members of the public brought a lawsuit alleging the film was promoting partisan political views, which is illegal in UK schools unless there are appropriate warnings.
The judge hearing the case, Justice Burton, found that the movie constituted "propaganda" and made a ruling that further screenings must be accompanied by explanations of the errors.
The judge found nine "errors". They were:
1. Sea level rise of up to 20 feet (7 metres) will be caused by melting of either West Antarctica or Greenland.
Justice Burton: "This is distinctly alarmist ... (and) is not in line with the scientific consensus".
2. Low-lying islands in the Pacific Ocean are having to be evacuated because of the effects of global warming.
Gore himself makes the statement "that's why the citizens of these Pacific nations have all had to evacuate to New Zealand."
Justice Burton: "There is no evidence of any such evacuation having yet happened".
3. The Gulf Stream would be shut down by global warming, causing sharp cooling in northwest Europe.
Justice Burton: "According to the IPCC, it is very unlikely that the (effect) will shut down in the future".
4. There was an exact fit between graphs showing changes in carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere and global temperatures over a period of 650,000 years.
Justice Burton: "... the two graphs do not establish what Mr Gore asserts."
5. The disappearance of snow on Mount Kilimanjaro in Tanzania was due to global warming.
Justice Burton: "... the scientific consensus is that it cannot be established that the recession of snows on Mt Kilimanjaro is mainly attributable to human-induced climate change".
6. The shrinkage of Lake Chad in Africa was caused by global warming.
Justice Burton: "... the evidence remains insufficient to establish such an attribution".
7. Hurricane Katrina was likewise caused by global warming.
Justice Burton: "It is common ground that there is insufficient evidence to show that."
8. Polar bears were being found drowned after having to swim long distances to find the (melting) ice.
Justice Burton: "The only scientific study ... indicates that four polar bears have recently been found drowned because of a storm."
9. Coral reefs were being bleached by the effects of global warming and other factors.
Justice Burton: "... separating the impacts of climate change-related stresses from other stresses, such as over-fishing and polluting, is difficult."
More information on the lawsuit here:
Dimmock v Secretary of State for Education and Skills - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
via baswell #115;
You really ought to look up these "ice cores" I have hinted to on several occasions.
You really ought to look up these "ice cores" I have hinted to on several occasions.
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via Towering Q #115;
Binghi, the problem with reading Jo the Microbiologist's blog, is that it only reinforces your current beliefs. Have you tried widening out from Jo, wattsupwiththat and the ICSC?
Binghi, the problem with reading Jo the Microbiologist's blog, is that it only reinforces your current beliefs. Have you tried widening out from Jo, wattsupwiththat and the ICSC?
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Seasonally Adjusted
Just a wild guess based on the links you provide in your posts....
#14 Watts Up With That?
#49 JoNova
#50 Watts Up With That?
#51 Watts Up With That? (Twice)
#108 JoNova
#14 Watts Up With That?
#49 JoNova
#50 Watts Up With That?
#51 Watts Up With That? (Twice)
#108 JoNova
Carbon Tax Outlaws...
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Oh Dear...
Germany’s leading media outlets are reporting that 500 German police officers and tax authorities raided mighty Deutsche Bank in Frankfurt earlier today. According to Die Welt here, five managers have been linked to a scam involving the trading of carbon permits. Arrest warrants have been issued.
500 German Authorities Raid Deutsche Bank Amid Alleged Tax Evasion Scam Surrounding CO2 Certificate Trading!
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Oh Dear...
Germany’s leading media outlets are reporting that 500 German police officers and tax authorities raided mighty Deutsche Bank in Frankfurt earlier today. According to Die Welt here, five managers have been linked to a scam involving the trading of carbon permits. Arrest warrants have been issued.
500 German Authorities Raid Deutsche Bank Amid Alleged Tax Evasion Scam Surrounding CO2 Certificate Trading!
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peterc005,
A serious question for you: What would it take for you to reverse your belief that mankind is causing dangerous climate change?
Would it take, for example, the ABC reversing its position? Or, would it take a number of pro-warming scientists to reverse theirs?
What about evidence? Would evidence that (mankind induced) climate change is not happening be enough to sway you?
This is a genuine question. I would like to know your answer.
I am somebody that is not yet convinced that man is changing the climate to any measurable degree. Even if man were changing it slightly, I am not convinced that the "new climate" would be worse for living creatures.
For me to become the believer that you are, all it would take would be for the pro-warmist scientists to start getting most of their predictions right.
As you know, we have heard hundreds of claims/predictions ranging from lakes drying up and glaciers melting to insect plagues, sea-level rises, temperature rises, increased cyclone/hurricane incidence, melting icecaps, coral bleaching, ocean acidification, etc, etc.
But none of these things are happening or can be shown to have been caused by "global warming" or "climate change". The success rate of the pro-warming scientists with their claims and predictions seems to be pretty close to zero.
With this kind of success rate, I am curious how people like you can believe the alarmist view.
I have told you what it would take for me to reverse my view. Please tell me what it would take for you to reverse your conviction.
A serious question for you: What would it take for you to reverse your belief that mankind is causing dangerous climate change?
Would it take, for example, the ABC reversing its position? Or, would it take a number of pro-warming scientists to reverse theirs?
What about evidence? Would evidence that (mankind induced) climate change is not happening be enough to sway you?
This is a genuine question. I would like to know your answer.
I am somebody that is not yet convinced that man is changing the climate to any measurable degree. Even if man were changing it slightly, I am not convinced that the "new climate" would be worse for living creatures.
For me to become the believer that you are, all it would take would be for the pro-warmist scientists to start getting most of their predictions right.
As you know, we have heard hundreds of claims/predictions ranging from lakes drying up and glaciers melting to insect plagues, sea-level rises, temperature rises, increased cyclone/hurricane incidence, melting icecaps, coral bleaching, ocean acidification, etc, etc.
But none of these things are happening or can be shown to have been caused by "global warming" or "climate change". The success rate of the pro-warming scientists with their claims and predictions seems to be pretty close to zero.
With this kind of success rate, I am curious how people like you can believe the alarmist view.
I have told you what it would take for me to reverse my view. Please tell me what it would take for you to reverse your conviction.
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FGD135 We're in cloud and my captain says his instruments are telling him we're in an uncontrolled spiral dive and accelerating towards the ground. Everything seems ok to me. I can't see the ground coming up. The instruments are probably wrong and what would the Captain know? He's only got 10,000hrs on type. I'll phone Alan Jones. He'll know if we're crashing or not. Hello Alan I'm in aeropla#^%@*#@&$%----
RIP RA
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RA,
The world is flat. It's also going to end in 2012. The sky is falling. Better be good because Father Christmas is coming soon. Don't forget to leave your tooth under the pillow for the Tooth Fairy. Nuclear power will destroy the Earth. It's ok to sell coal and uranium to China because they're a developing country and therefore can pollute as much as they like and not be held to the Kyoto Protocol. There's an ice age coming. Sydney's dams are going to dry up by 2009, so we need a desalinisation plant. We are going to die from mad-made global warming by the end of this century. There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead......
Have fun.
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The world is flat. It's also going to end in 2012. The sky is falling. Better be good because Father Christmas is coming soon. Don't forget to leave your tooth under the pillow for the Tooth Fairy. Nuclear power will destroy the Earth. It's ok to sell coal and uranium to China because they're a developing country and therefore can pollute as much as they like and not be held to the Kyoto Protocol. There's an ice age coming. Sydney's dams are going to dry up by 2009, so we need a desalinisation plant. We are going to die from mad-made global warming by the end of this century. There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead......
Have fun.
DD
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Maate;
Go to bottom left hand side...."post reply", NOT bottom right hand side.............. "reply"
This will give you access to "smiley's) on RHS border. There are no thumbs down here.
Looks like your'e swearing.
BTW, the only fraud worse than global warming is the Labor Party and their hangers on in the House of Representatives.
I hope this helps.
Go to bottom left hand side...."post reply", NOT bottom right hand side.............. "reply"
This will give you access to "smiley's) on RHS border. There are no thumbs down here.
#^%@*#@&$%----
BTW, the only fraud worse than global warming is the Labor Party and their hangers on in the House of Representatives.
I hope this helps.
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via rutan around;
FGD135 We're in cloud and my captain says his instruments are telling him we're in an uncontrolled spiral dive and accelerating towards the ground. Everything seems ok to me. I can't see the ground coming up. The instruments are probably wrong and what would the Captain know? He's only got 10,000hrs on type. I'll phone Alan Jones. He'll know if we're crashing or not. Hello Alan I'm in aeropla#^%@*#@&$%----
RIP RA
FGD135 We're in cloud and my captain says his instruments are telling him we're in an uncontrolled spiral dive and accelerating towards the ground. Everything seems ok to me. I can't see the ground coming up. The instruments are probably wrong and what would the Captain know? He's only got 10,000hrs on type. I'll phone Alan Jones. He'll know if we're crashing or not. Hello Alan I'm in aeropla#^%@*#@&$%----
RIP RA
rutan around, you do know that the so-called 'proof' of Anthropogenic Global Warming is some shonky computor models..
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Frank & Dude,Please correct me if I've got the wrong take on what you are saying. You are saying that in an increasingly industrialized world, 6,000,000,000 people can keep pouring crap onto the land, into the streams and seas and into the atmosphere and nothing will go wrong. I sincerely hope I have somehow misunderstood what you are saying.
Cheers RA
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Via Flying Binghi
rutan around, you do know that the so-called 'proof' of Anthropogenic Global Warming is some shonky computor models.
Given the absence of of any recent strikes by giant asteroids,the lack of any abnormal volcanic activity and the non expansion of the sun you are fast running out of other possible culprits especially when you look at what man has been up to over the last 100 or so years.What do you reckon is causing the warming? Fairies with ray guns? Some of the deniers here will know. They're often away with them.
Cheers RA
rutan around, you do know that the so-called 'proof' of Anthropogenic Global Warming is some shonky computor models.
Given the absence of of any recent strikes by giant asteroids,the lack of any abnormal volcanic activity and the non expansion of the sun you are fast running out of other possible culprits especially when you look at what man has been up to over the last 100 or so years.What do you reckon is causing the warming? Fairies with ray guns? Some of the deniers here will know. They're often away with them.
Cheers RA
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I wonder what the planet was like when the volcanoes were erupting more frequently (?), and the ice age cometh...and went....and cometh...and went....'cause there's been more than one.....
Planet warming, planet cooling, planet warming again....etc etc....
Almost like a cycle...(?)
I was flabbered and gastered to read somewhere that OZ was once covered in very thick ice, before the ocean covered it....before......
Cheers
Planet warming, planet cooling, planet warming again....etc etc....
Almost like a cycle...(?)
I was flabbered and gastered to read somewhere that OZ was once covered in very thick ice, before the ocean covered it....before......
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What do you reckon is causing the warming?
There has been no warming for 16 years now - despite atmospheric CO2 content having increased significantly during that period.