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Old 19th Nov 2012, 06:56
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You people that advocate the majors don't realise, the same puppeteers control both parties. The agenda goes ahead no matter who you elect.

You think Tony will reverse this tax? Yep Santa is visiting soon as well.

Sadly the greens are no better. I just don't vote.
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You people that advocate the majors
Hope you don't think of me as that; I just choose the lesser of two evils!
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Here is another article from the Principal-Scientific group. The language is more attuned to the meteorologist within all pilots.

THE GREENHOUSE GAS BLANKET THAT FAILS TO WARM THE WORLD.
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via Aussie Bob;
...the same puppeteers control both parties...
Who be them "puppeteers" yer refering to there Aussie Bob ..





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via DutchRoll #20;
...as we've extensively covered already, you've been denying the realities of basic physics for quite some time now, right Binghi?

Still waiting...

Do tell DutchRoll, what "basic physics" have ah been "denying"..






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Old 2nd Dec 2012, 10:10
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Simple

Could the concept of a Carbon Tax be as simple a rort as some may expect?
Read "The Report From Iron Mountain". You will either believe the report to have been a hoax or believe that it is based on reality. Either way, there are some clever tax grabbing con's listed in this 'report', and some of these have been introduced in the past 20 years. Not bad from a report from 40 years ago that discusses these 'clever, subtle and astute' ways to grab money from your pocket without you either noticing or fighting it.
Government loves scaring you with gloom and destruction stories so they can soften your resolve and scare you into submission.
Carbon Tax = 110% baseless money grab. A con, a rort, a fiddle. CROOKS!
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Old 3rd Dec 2012, 07:16
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CROOKS!
Considering Australia has the 3rd lowest level of taxation in the developed world, I would say that makes our politicians not very successful as crooks!
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Aye Aye Mr B,

Be that as it may, (I haven't checked..) IF 'they' didn't bloody well waste half of it on 'hair brained' schemes and 'feel good' overseas donations, etc, we would have a wunnerful country ....full of the required infrastructures, and, water even......

Don't start me....


Charity begins at home......

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Old 3rd Dec 2012, 10:26
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The Carbon Tax in Australia turned out to be a big non-event, in spite of all the conservative whiners.

More needs to be done to mitigate the effects of man-made global warming.

My biggest criticism of the Carbon Tax would be too-little too-late.
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The Carbon Tax in Australia turned out to be a big non-event
So much so that the Ranga (no offence to you, Jack ) is now trying to drop power prices by adding gizmos and thingamejigs to my meter box.
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The Carbon Tax in Australia turned out to be a big non-event, in spite of all the conservative whiners.
So an 18% hike in my business electricity costs in 1 year (17% of which the supplier attributes to the carbon tax, or 9% if you believe the guvmint) is a non event? I took last months bill and compared it to the same month last year, usage almost identical, this year the price is up 18%

If my electricity costs went up by that much, so did others(and fuel costs), they will pass that on, and in turn others will, this tax will snowball and we're already seeing that happen. I'm an exporter, not in the position to pass the costs on.. and not receiving any of the so called "compensation" which is supposed to offset the effect. This is socialist wealth redistribution, does nothing for the environment

BTW, Juliar can threaten the electricity providers all she want's... it doesn't change the fact that the main price problem is caused by the tax she swore we would never have..
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I think those Smart Meters are great!

Those old electro-mechanical power meters were 60 year old technology. Good riddance. Some old fuddy-duddies can't handle any change, no matter how small or compelling!

One of the things I like about the Smart Meters is that now I can get solar cells for the roof and they will plug straight in.
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Peter, your propaganda inspired missives are amusing at best but sadly indicitave of a troll doing no more than promoting a government agenda.

Solar cells have never plugged into smart meters and never will, your lack of understanding of solar power is obvious. I am guessing your understanding of the carbon tax is equally lacking.
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Be that as it may, (I haven't checked..) IF 'they' didn't bloody well waste half of it on 'hair brained' schemes and 'feel good' overseas donations, etc, we would have a wunnerful country ....full of the required infrastructures, and, water even......
I dunno; moving here from Europe and seeing my fist tax bills, I couldn't believe it. The level of services we get here, quality of infrastructure - Western European quality, for a fraction of the tax rate.

I have no issue with overseas humanitarian aid; I wish we'd do more of it. Australia spends one third as much as top givers. (Probably doesn't include the money wasted on blowing up buildings and shooting people abroad.)

And even most "*hare* brained" schemes have had a positive effect in that it kept money flowing in times when nobody else was spending, which saved us from a possibly much worse recession.

Keynesian economics and all...

What surprises me is that people whinge about a few million wasted here and there, but nobody cares about to hundred billion+ combined cost of buying a poor 5th gen fighter we don't need and letting the same mob build new submarines because the previous lot they built was no good.
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Here is another article from the Principal-Scientific group. The language is more attuned to the meteorologist within all pilots.

THE GREENHOUSE GAS BLANKET THAT FAILS TO WARM THE WORLD.


@OZBUSDRIVER - Yawn, another climate skeptic conspiracy web site. Run by nutters and believed by the gullible.
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This is socialist wealth redistribution
A man, I f***ing HATE wealth redistribution, here are some great examples of how the government takes from the rich and gives to the poor:

Scrapping diesel rebate for mining would save $5.1b, say Greens

Coal and gas paid $7b in subsidies | Latest Business & Australian Stock market News | The Courier-Mail

After $1.1bn in subsidies, Falcon can't fly

This is really getting out of control! Australia has become a real welfare state - a corporate welfare state, that is. One where we fund foreign-owned companies because they can't compete on their own here. Disgraceful.

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Old 3rd Dec 2012, 21:27
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Australia is a modern western-style social democracy.

If you examine key economic and political indicators it becomes apparent the country is quite well run. There is a reason lots of people want to come here, it's a comfortable, safe and well run place to live.

If you look at things like:

Relatively low tax rate for a modern economy
Low corruption and well-respected instututions
Quite transparent democratic systems, judiciary and government
High education levels

etc etc

It's a good place to live. If you don't like it, no one will stop you leaving. Drop me a line, I'll make time to drive you to an international airport.
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Old 3rd Dec 2012, 21:49
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Yawn ... Peter you are at it again, you don't fool us, the average aviator is a bit smarter than the average troll. How much do you get paid for your boring and useless job?
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Diesel fuel rebate goes to a few more companies than BHP, Twiggy or Gina. But hey, it makes a good headline. Heard talk of a young fella with an earthmoving business up in Qld coal country. Over 40 big machines pushing dirt, after the mining tax came in, he was forced to park up half of them. Big bucks for him but imagine the hit on the shifts of employees that got layed off. But do not worry, only those big nasty rich companies are the ones targeted.
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