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The diesel rebate is only one example of the great corporate welfare state.
Don't complain about "wealth redistribution" and "socialism" but at the same time justify corporate subsidies.
Child care rebate, government paid healthcare and, yes, even the dole, create jobs. And do so more evenly spread than subsidies to individual sectors.
For my company, all I need to do is go out to the local airfield and ask myself how many of these 30-somethings would be flying recreational airplanes and buying my products if they had to pay full rate for child care for their kids...
Don't complain about "wealth redistribution" and "socialism" but at the same time justify corporate subsidies.
Child care rebate, government paid healthcare and, yes, even the dole, create jobs. And do so more evenly spread than subsidies to individual sectors.
For my company, all I need to do is go out to the local airfield and ask myself how many of these 30-somethings would be flying recreational airplanes and buying my products if they had to pay full rate for child care for their kids...
via baswell #77;
here are some great examples of how the government takes from the rich and gives to the poor:
Scrapping diesel rebate for mining would save $5.1b, say Greens
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here are some great examples of how the government takes from the rich and gives to the poor:
Scrapping diesel rebate for mining would save $5.1b, say Greens
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via baswell #81;
The diesel rebate is only one example of the great corporate welfare state.
Don't complain about "wealth redistribution" and "socialism" but at the same time justify corporate subsidies...
The diesel rebate is only one example of the great corporate welfare state.
Don't complain about "wealth redistribution" and "socialism" but at the same time justify corporate subsidies...
Perhaps an understanding that the diesel tax were originaly put in place as a way of paying for and repairing public roads and that the farmers on their tractors and miners with their bulldozers and others etc who dont actully use public roads are then rebated the tax..
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Perhaps an understanding that the diesel tax were originaly put in place as a way of paying for and repairing public roads and that the farmers on their tractors and miners with their bulldozers and others etc who dont actully use public roads are then rebated the tax..
And I don't use my airplane on the road either.
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I think those Smart Meters are great!
Those old electro-mechanical power meters were 60 year old technology. Good riddance. Some old fuddy-duddies can't handle any change, no matter how small or compelling!
Those old electro-mechanical power meters were 60 year old technology. Good riddance. Some old fuddy-duddies can't handle any change, no matter how small or compelling!
Lets have a basic look at smart meters.
Designed to save you money...you can actually see your usage.
Saves the energy company not having to pay meter readers
Guvment says energy companies can recoup the cost of the meter from you
Savings achievable versus paying the extra for the meter.....not possible!
Yep good piece of spin from the establishment.
via baswell ;
I am well aware, just as I am sure you are aware that this earmarking of funds for road maintenance has not been the case since 1959, a whole two years after the introduction of diesel excise. Now, 53 years later... those poor miners still need a rebate. And the farmers wouldn't need it either if the ACCC had the guts to take on the Coles/Woolies cartel.
And I don't use my airplane on the road either.
I am well aware, just as I am sure you are aware that this earmarking of funds for road maintenance has not been the case since 1959, a whole two years after the introduction of diesel excise. Now, 53 years later... those poor miners still need a rebate. And the farmers wouldn't need it either if the ACCC had the guts to take on the Coles/Woolies cartel.
And I don't use my airplane on the road either.
In plain speaking words baswell, you want a whole new tax where there aint been one before..
some history - Fuel Tax Inquiry - Background Papers - History of Fuel Taxation in Australia
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Bas:
You do realise that most of this "aid" goes to the overseas and often corrupt governments who use the money on anything but the people it is intended to help.
And even then we know that our government doesn't really give this "aid" to help people, merely to be seen to do our part in the world, and buy friendship from our neighbours to the north.
But no, you just keep living in your perfect little dream world.
"I have no issue with overseas humanitarian aid"
And even then we know that our government doesn't really give this "aid" to help people, merely to be seen to do our part in the world, and buy friendship from our neighbours to the north.
But no, you just keep living in your perfect little dream world.
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You do realise that most of this "aid" goes to the overseas and often corrupt governments who use the money on anything but the people it is intended to help.
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@baswell - good point.
If people are going to make assertions they should substantiate them with a reputable source.
Climate change sceptics nutters melt like an ice cream on a hot day when asked to cite proven facts rather than just psychotic conspiracy theories.
If people are going to make assertions they should substantiate them with a reputable source.
Climate change sceptics nutters melt like an ice cream on a hot day when asked to cite proven facts rather than just psychotic conspiracy theories.
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Yes mate...."the science is in". (Troll, sorry Droll).
Trouble is most don't believe the "facts" because the author of those words and her paid scientists are "proven" pathological socialist "liars".
Trouble is most don't believe the "facts" because the author of those words and her paid scientists are "proven" pathological socialist "liars".
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Bas,
This ain't wiki.
Peter,
Do you mean a reputable source that is pro-global warming?
"reputable source" as shown by all the scientific evidence for global warming, is very subjective.
Reputable (government climate change funded) source?
Scientific (make it support my government funded global warming theories) evidence?
Proven (to support my government funded global warming theory scientific evidence) facts?
And by the way, my ice cream is melting a little slower than it did 15 years ago.
But, because you won't take my word for it, here's a reputable source.
www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk
Edit: Oh yeh it's now called "climate change", not global warming, so the evidence above suggests that the climate is changing, just not the way the "experts" claim.
This ain't wiki.
Peter,
Do you mean a reputable source that is pro-global warming?
"reputable source" as shown by all the scientific evidence for global warming, is very subjective.
Reputable (government climate change funded) source?
Scientific (make it support my government funded global warming theories) evidence?
Proven (to support my government funded global warming theory scientific evidence) facts?
And by the way, my ice cream is melting a little slower than it did 15 years ago.
But, because you won't take my word for it, here's a reputable source.www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk
October 2012
The UK mean temperature was 1.3 °C below the 1981–2010 average, and it was provisionally the coldest October since 2003; Northern Scotland had its 5th coldest October in a series since 1910.
The UK mean temperature was 1.3 °C below the 1981–2010 average, and it was provisionally the coldest October since 2003; Northern Scotland had its 5th coldest October in a series since 1910.
Edit: Oh yeh it's now called "climate change", not global warming, so the evidence above suggests that the climate is changing, just not the way the "experts" claim.
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Oh yeh it's now called "climate change", not global warming
Let me spell it out: the climate is changing because the globe is warming.
Taking a one month sample from one tiny region of the globe to disprove the work of actual scientists just has you digging your own hole of ridicule even deeper.
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the author of those words and her paid scientists
I just can't fathom what the government has to gain from this financially. Revenue is flat - some pay more because of the carbon tax, some pay less.
What's more, they are spending money on initiatives to tackle climate change. The government is financially worse off because of their acceptance of climate change.
This whole "paid scientists" angle to the debate has no merit.
I tell you who benefits financially from denying climate change, though: the vested interests funding the fear, uncertainty and doubt campaign. Their next quarterly results are more important than the long-term survival of the planet.
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Oh Bas, you didn't get the joke in that edit.
"Paid scientists"?
Very interesting article in the Daily Telegraph today about how much funding the CSIRO is getting to research "climate change" (which you yourself indicate is still "global warming" in different clothes). The article also mentions how little CSIRO is doing of its traditional roles of helping agricultural Australia by developing new ideas, processes and equipment. It describes how the annual report is focussed almost totally on climate change. And don't try and make the ridiculous association that researching a changing climate is the most important work they could do. They've gone from doing something for agriculture to researching jack ****e.
There are plenty of other samples from many parts of the globe which reflect very little, if any, change in the climate since even before a certain Minister said Sydney's dams would be all dried up a few years ago. By the way, have you seen the water levels lately?
You should get a job with Jooolia's PR team.
OMG, where's the smiley for ROFLMFAO?
"Paid scientists"?
Very interesting article in the Daily Telegraph today about how much funding the CSIRO is getting to research "climate change" (which you yourself indicate is still "global warming" in different clothes
). The article also mentions how little CSIRO is doing of its traditional roles of helping agricultural Australia by developing new ideas, processes and equipment. It describes how the annual report is focussed almost totally on climate change. And don't try and make the ridiculous association that researching a changing climate is the most important work they could do. They've gone from doing something for agriculture to researching jack ****e.There are plenty of other samples from many parts of the globe which reflect very little, if any, change in the climate since even before a certain Minister said Sydney's dams would be all dried up a few years ago. By the way, have you seen the water levels lately?
I just can't fathom what the government has to gain from this financially. Revenue is flat
You should get a job with Jooolia's PR team.
What's more, they are spending money on initiatives to tackle climate change. The government is financially worse off because of their acceptance of climate change.
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The science behind climate change is solid and backed by more than twenty years of peer-review.
The reason there are no climate change skeptics at the CSIRO is because climate change is good science and the CSIRO are good scientists.
Unfortunately it is an area that attracts conspiracy theory nutters in hordes.
The reason there are no climate change skeptics at the CSIRO is because climate change is good science and the CSIRO are good scientists.
Unfortunately it is an area that attracts conspiracy theory nutters in hordes.
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The science behind climate change is solid and backed by more than twenty years of pro-global warming alarmist peer-review. The science behind disproving global warming is also solid and backed by many years of anti-global warming peer-review.
Who said there are no skeptics at CSIRO?
When you say "conspiracy theory nutter", I assume you're not talking about nutters on your side of the fence like Bas (and maybe you) who think there's an agenda (conspiracy) behind debunking the man-made global warming myth.
Fair go on poor Bas.
If you're just referring to those on my side of the fence then what you call conspiracy theory nutters, I call effective
BS detectors.
Who said there are no skeptics at CSIRO?
When you say "conspiracy theory nutter", I assume you're not talking about nutters on your side of the fence like Bas (and maybe you) who think there's an agenda (conspiracy) behind debunking the man-made global warming myth.
Bas - "I tell you who benefits financially from denying climate change, though: the vested interests funding the fear, uncertainty and doubt campaign. Their next quarterly results are more important than the long-term survival of the planet."
If you're just referring to those on my side of the fence then what you call conspiracy theory nutters, I call effective
BS detectors.
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