Skytrans hiring again.
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Skytrans hiring again.
Just wondering why Skytrans are hiring yet again when only 4 months ago they had interview and sim rides in Sydney. They interviewed 24 candidates and the 7 in my round, not one got the gig after all having well inexcess of their minimum requirements. Was shocked when those whom had more than they required were not accepted in!
No sweat, after I heard what they were paying I tuned out. Would have been a good gig but no one should work for peanuts... sounds like the monkeys are leaving. Anyone got any information.
No sweat, after I heard what they were paying I tuned out. Would have been a good gig but no one should work for peanuts... sounds like the monkeys are leaving. Anyone got any information.
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Could it be that those candidates weren't suitable? Just because you have the minimums it doesn't mean you're instantly in.
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You beat me to it, Morno 
I've noticed that candidates over the past few years seem to have an increasing, unfounded sense of entitlement
The knockout rate doesn't surprise me. It generally reflects the standard of of the candidate, and in the majority of instances with the sim ride - his/her training
I know of no job where merely being qualified automatically gets you the gig.
I've noticed that candidates over the past few years seem to have an increasing, unfounded sense of entitlement
The knockout rate doesn't surprise me. It generally reflects the standard of of the candidate, and in the majority of instances with the sim ride - his/her training
I know of no job where merely being qualified automatically gets you the gig.
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As much as I agree with everyone getting the minimum requirements by no means a done deal for getting a job ... But its hard to believe that of all seven people that did the interview not even one meets the standard ?? I was not one of the candidates hence cant say how the scenario looked.But Ones needs to ask what is the standard expected by some regionals these days...
But Ones needs to ask what is the standard expected by some regionals these days...
They are looking for attitude as much as talent in this regard as they need people who will at least fly out their bond, and who will put the same effort into the their training as the company will put into them.
Some regional airlines in this country need to realise that they are not flying to the moon and that the glory days of having half the country with quadruple your requirements, harassing you for a job are over. Maybe some of these guys need to start assessing how they do business. I don't believe you could wipe out that many people on standards alone.
Remember that in the rest of the world flying a Dash 8 isn't really a big deal. People even fly jets with a few hundred hours.
Remember that in the rest of the world flying a Dash 8 isn't really a big deal. People even fly jets with a few hundred hours.
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Surely this must be a wind up...... no? deep breath...
"what is the standard expected by some regionals these days" - what a stupid thing to say. The simple answer is this - The best they can get their hands on. They owe it to the travelling public to make sure they are doing the best they can to make sure the pilots under their employ are safe, hard working and level headed, proficient and well drilled, to make sure they do not end up driving a multi million dollar machine into a big smoking hole in the ground.
FFS - look at what is happening in the USA, where the standards are slipping due to experiance levels dwindling. Many people are realising that the money is not going to be made being a pilot, and they are seeking alternate means of employment. It sure aint what it used to be son!
Having said that, I for one am not into this for the huge paypackets people think are up for grabs. I do it cause I love flying. I earn a modest wage, and I am happy burning kero and punching holes in the sky. I wouldn't do it for free, cause a mans gotta eat, but I just get on with the job.
I know a lot of guys from Skytrans. Most of them really enjoy their jobs, but like any company, there are also those with a gripe or two. That's nothing out of the ordinary - thats aviation. There is a lot to be said for them as a company. Good progression, rapidly expanding, good machines, you dont have to pay for your endorsement, and great people. Sure they pay a little less than Alliance, Qantaslink or REX, but they don't work anywhere near as hard (most of the time!)
Hold_Short, might I suggest that their standards were set, and you fell short of the mark. It sounds very similar to what I used to hear on the playground when I was a kid "you dont want me to play? Fine, Well your game's poo and I never wanted to play anyway..." Grow up son. In my interview group at another airline, they interviewed lots of people. Lots of guys with much more exeriance than me got the job - and I'm no genius. It all comes back to attitude in my opinion.
Rant Over.
To those going for a job at Skytrans - the best of luck to you. Do your best and impress. You'll have a ball. They'll look after you.
"what is the standard expected by some regionals these days" - what a stupid thing to say. The simple answer is this - The best they can get their hands on. They owe it to the travelling public to make sure they are doing the best they can to make sure the pilots under their employ are safe, hard working and level headed, proficient and well drilled, to make sure they do not end up driving a multi million dollar machine into a big smoking hole in the ground.
FFS - look at what is happening in the USA, where the standards are slipping due to experiance levels dwindling. Many people are realising that the money is not going to be made being a pilot, and they are seeking alternate means of employment. It sure aint what it used to be son!
Having said that, I for one am not into this for the huge paypackets people think are up for grabs. I do it cause I love flying. I earn a modest wage, and I am happy burning kero and punching holes in the sky. I wouldn't do it for free, cause a mans gotta eat, but I just get on with the job.
I know a lot of guys from Skytrans. Most of them really enjoy their jobs, but like any company, there are also those with a gripe or two. That's nothing out of the ordinary - thats aviation. There is a lot to be said for them as a company. Good progression, rapidly expanding, good machines, you dont have to pay for your endorsement, and great people. Sure they pay a little less than Alliance, Qantaslink or REX, but they don't work anywhere near as hard (most of the time!)
Hold_Short, might I suggest that their standards were set, and you fell short of the mark. It sounds very similar to what I used to hear on the playground when I was a kid "you dont want me to play? Fine, Well your game's poo and I never wanted to play anyway..." Grow up son. In my interview group at another airline, they interviewed lots of people. Lots of guys with much more exeriance than me got the job - and I'm no genius. It all comes back to attitude in my opinion.
Rant Over.
To those going for a job at Skytrans - the best of luck to you. Do your best and impress. You'll have a ball. They'll look after you.
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AGS99... BREATH IN BREATH OUT!
You better believe what your hearing! Let me set you straight, I do not for one second think just because I have more than the MINIMUM requirments do I consider myself a shoe in for any flying position within any company, beit GA, regional or a major airline. It sure does come down to a well balanced person, with a wide range of experience, personality traits and core values for working within the company are vital. I never for once thought I was GUARANTEED the job!
Now, what I may never know is what they are looking for. We had regional airline captains, GA twin turboprob and piston drivers. They are well experienced guys who already operate under similar operations, but was surprised when each and everyone of them got the 'NO' phone call, including me. 5 of those are now in major airlines, including Virgin, Jetstar and Brindabella to say a few. So they must have had met their standards for sure!
I went for the experience and was unsuccessful, however, I believe that things happen for a reason and what they were offering was far short of what I was expecting. Bonding and minimum wages to say the least! That's just a gripe!
For those going for it good luck with it and make sure you read the fine print. Just because you fly something bigger, burning kerosene and punching holes in the sky doesn't make you any better than anyone else. Get off your high horse, enjoy everyone for being who they are and not what they fly... enjoy the journey.
You better believe what your hearing! Let me set you straight, I do not for one second think just because I have more than the MINIMUM requirments do I consider myself a shoe in for any flying position within any company, beit GA, regional or a major airline. It sure does come down to a well balanced person, with a wide range of experience, personality traits and core values for working within the company are vital. I never for once thought I was GUARANTEED the job!
Now, what I may never know is what they are looking for. We had regional airline captains, GA twin turboprob and piston drivers. They are well experienced guys who already operate under similar operations, but was surprised when each and everyone of them got the 'NO' phone call, including me. 5 of those are now in major airlines, including Virgin, Jetstar and Brindabella to say a few. So they must have had met their standards for sure!
I went for the experience and was unsuccessful, however, I believe that things happen for a reason and what they were offering was far short of what I was expecting. Bonding and minimum wages to say the least! That's just a gripe!
For those going for it good luck with it and make sure you read the fine print. Just because you fly something bigger, burning kerosene and punching holes in the sky doesn't make you any better than anyone else. Get off your high horse, enjoy everyone for being who they are and not what they fly... enjoy the journey.
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Where to start?
I wont repeat what Morno, RMcdonal, and Jarse have said, as they're all good and relevant points.
Hold_short, you're telling us that you went from Townsville to Sydney for a Sim check and an interview for a job where you didn't know what you were going to be paid once employed.
Was the rest of your preparation for the sim and interview as thorough?
You have no idea about the company and no idea about the pay. You're quick to pay out on the pilots with "monkeys" comments, and yet this is a company that you applied to work for?
Maybe your attitude came out in your interview????
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I wont repeat what Morno, RMcdonal, and Jarse have said, as they're all good and relevant points.
Hold_short, you're telling us that you went from Townsville to Sydney for a Sim check and an interview for a job where you didn't know what you were going to be paid once employed.
Was the rest of your preparation for the sim and interview as thorough?
sounds like the monkeys are leaving. Anyone got any insider information?
Maybe your attitude came out in your interview????
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mrclumsy,
In my experience, you get the occasional 100% fail rate. Rare as it may be. Typically, it runs from 50-80%, which isn't bad considering that in other industries it's consistently as high as 95% or greater.
Anyone can spend thousands of dollars on training for a CPL. That doesn't necessarily make one a good (or even employable) pilot. Throw enough money at it and anyone can get through.
It's the employers' job to sort the wheat from the chaff. Some people (regrettably) find themselves as the chaff.
That's life.
In my experience, you get the occasional 100% fail rate. Rare as it may be. Typically, it runs from 50-80%, which isn't bad considering that in other industries it's consistently as high as 95% or greater.
Anyone can spend thousands of dollars on training for a CPL. That doesn't necessarily make one a good (or even employable) pilot. Throw enough money at it and anyone can get through.
It's the employers' job to sort the wheat from the chaff. Some people (regrettably) find themselves as the chaff.
That's life.
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DIVOSH is back... you must get tired of belittling everyone. Get off your horse.
Not even Skytrans offered any information about the conditions, pay, what to expect or anything before you even applied. We all got a 1.5 page letter stating where to be, where to go and that there was a simride and you would get the information on the day. That is it. Little if not nothing else!
I went to find out my answers, then IF offered, make a decision then. Simple!
Not even Skytrans offered any information about the conditions, pay, what to expect or anything before you even applied. We all got a 1.5 page letter stating where to be, where to go and that there was a simride and you would get the information on the day. That is it. Little if not nothing else!
I went to find out my answers, then IF offered, make a decision then. Simple!
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DIVOSH is back... you must get tired of belittling everyone. Get off your horse.
Not on any horse here, though I'm sitting next to a border collie and a staffy
. Gotta say though, if you're going to post stuff on Prune, you can expect people to have an opinion about it. Not all the opinions are going to agree with yours.
Pity you can't reply without abuse.
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I'm guessing if you'd read the EA it may have saved you a trip.
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A new hand on the controls?
Rumour has it that now that Skytrans a real HOFO they are looking for more than a high opinion of yourself. Standards are being set and being adhered to. Front up for interview or sim and don't cut the mustard....try somewhere else
I agree with most of the above re standards and the need to meet them, etc - but I have seen (and experienced) their "very unique" management carry on firsthand.
Given that alliance, qlink and many others are recruiting strongly - if you are at that stage of your career, and back yourself with standards, and are really interested in flying airline type work, you would do well without skytrans.... I have!
Given that alliance, qlink and many others are recruiting strongly - if you are at that stage of your career, and back yourself with standards, and are really interested in flying airline type work, you would do well without skytrans.... I have!
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Hold Short, just to remind you how stupid 
you really are, the thread you started asking for help for your Skytrans interview, within 8 days was a detailed answer of two places to find the wages exactly. Then you went to the interview not knowing you claim.
I am sure they could see straight through twots like you.
http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-general-a...cruitment.html
I think mummy is calling for a spanking
you really are, the thread you started asking for help for your Skytrans interview, within 8 days was a detailed answer of two places to find the wages exactly. Then you went to the interview not knowing you claim. I am sure they could see straight through twots like you.
http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-general-a...cruitment.html
I think mummy is calling for a spanking
hold your short p***s
sounds like Skytrans recruitment policy is working just fine.
keeping twats like you out.
hours count for squat.
funny how they have a knack for employing nice, easy going people who incidentally can fly well!!
obviously, that's not you.
get over it
sounds like Skytrans recruitment policy is working just fine.
keeping twats like you out.
hours count for squat.
funny how they have a knack for employing nice, easy going people who incidentally can fly well!!
obviously, that's not you.
get over it
Ok, back to topic and away from the hold_short bashing...
I think there could be a slight issue with Skytrans recruiting. I know of a very good GA pilot who met the minimum requirements a couple of months ago. He applied, and received an email back shortly thereafter saying he didn't meet the minimum requirements...
What made things even more frustrating for this lad was Skytrans then advertised just recently with minimums that were even lower than before, and much lower than what he had.
They don't know what they missed out on - a quick learner, someone who'd get on well within the company and would stay around a long time. But he never had a chance to show that in an interview.
No, the person above wasn't me before the cynics comes out.
I think there could be a slight issue with Skytrans recruiting. I know of a very good GA pilot who met the minimum requirements a couple of months ago. He applied, and received an email back shortly thereafter saying he didn't meet the minimum requirements...
What made things even more frustrating for this lad was Skytrans then advertised just recently with minimums that were even lower than before, and much lower than what he had.
They don't know what they missed out on - a quick learner, someone who'd get on well within the company and would stay around a long time. But he never had a chance to show that in an interview.
No, the person above wasn't me before the cynics comes out.