Skytrans hiring again.
They advertise for FO and Captain positions "in all bases" yet one of their current Captains seeks a base transfer several times and is refused. He is certainly a loyal type guy who is a good team player, but even he loses his faith with them.
Now he's off to another operator (with better conditions, too) who hopefully has a more consistent staff management policy. I don't reckon he was on the market except for skytrans poor ability to manage staff.
Then there was the lad who mishandled, was remediated by the T&C department and checked back to line. No probs, you'd think, but he was fired a month later "as an example".
They may have dodged a bullet with h_s, but they have long had inconsistencies in their processes - grew too big, too fast perhaps, perhaps. But my experience tells me if you are Qlink and want to jump the fence, they'll love you to bits (as long as you are a "yes" man).
But why would one do that??
Now he's off to another operator (with better conditions, too) who hopefully has a more consistent staff management policy. I don't reckon he was on the market except for skytrans poor ability to manage staff.
Then there was the lad who mishandled, was remediated by the T&C department and checked back to line. No probs, you'd think, but he was fired a month later "as an example".
They may have dodged a bullet with h_s, but they have long had inconsistencies in their processes - grew too big, too fast perhaps, perhaps. But my experience tells me if you are Qlink and want to jump the fence, they'll love you to bits (as long as you are a "yes" man).
But why would one do that??
Didn't think it would take long for that sort of comment, b_r. But no issue, because I tried my best to develop and train, maintain a standard and work hard with integrity. My style doesn't suit all, but has helped many...
But the then CP was only interested in micro management and yes men. Got sacked whilst on leave, real courtesy and brave that was...
Anyway, like most things, find your niche and enjoy your lifestyle - as a GA pilot I've got no need to justify myself to the likes of you, as there are much nicer things to fly than clapped out -100 series Dash 8's...
I'll go back to working at developing the juniors as they work through the early stages of their careers - with pride.
Back to topic - in the current market for pilots, one can do far better than skytrans...
But the then CP was only interested in micro management and yes men. Got sacked whilst on leave, real courtesy and brave that was...
Anyway, like most things, find your niche and enjoy your lifestyle - as a GA pilot I've got no need to justify myself to the likes of you, as there are much nicer things to fly than clapped out -100 series Dash 8's...
I'll go back to working at developing the juniors as they work through the early stages of their careers - with pride.
Back to topic - in the current market for pilots, one can do far better than skytrans...
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I didnt ask for a 'justification' so please don't be a mater. You obviously have some hang ups about being sacked...
The words 'protecting ones AOC from maniacs with CP Approval who approve passenger carrying RPT on a 36 seat turboprop with NO FLIGHT ATTENDANT....' come to mind... I'd sack you too... But im sure this was one of many 'wild' issues with you...
Interesting your pride in coaching juiors... I witnessed yor treatment of 'juniors' (not first hand) and your 'on your own' approach to training.... Often misconstrued with 'setting one up to fail'....
That said, I have no sympathy for the Wilds nor AS, they were warned....!
Get some help mate, see someone for your hang ups otherwise lightning might strike twice (or was it 3 times?.... Maybe 4 who knows)...
The words 'protecting ones AOC from maniacs with CP Approval who approve passenger carrying RPT on a 36 seat turboprop with NO FLIGHT ATTENDANT....' come to mind... I'd sack you too... But im sure this was one of many 'wild' issues with you...
Interesting your pride in coaching juiors... I witnessed yor treatment of 'juniors' (not first hand) and your 'on your own' approach to training.... Often misconstrued with 'setting one up to fail'....
That said, I have no sympathy for the Wilds nor AS, they were warned....!
Get some help mate, see someone for your hang ups otherwise lightning might strike twice (or was it 3 times?.... Maybe 4 who knows)...
b_r, although a rumour network, try to deal in facts...
You have no idea re any F/A incident.
I'm sure you're the sort of guy who'd look after someone other than yourself, so I'm quite comfortable you did nothing to help AS or SW.
You have no idea re any F/A incident.
I'm sure you're the sort of guy who'd look after someone other than yourself, so I'm quite comfortable you did nothing to help AS or SW.
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Flying Bear's point is well taken.
Let me just say this:
Some might say that the differences between the public face of the organisation and the reality of what is actually going on within the organisation evoke memories of the public announcements from the management of the Fukushima nuclear plant shortly after the tsunami and Saddam Hussein's PR guy as Baghdad crumbled.
Let me just say this:
Some might say that the differences between the public face of the organisation and the reality of what is actually going on within the organisation evoke memories of the public announcements from the management of the Fukushima nuclear plant shortly after the tsunami and Saddam Hussein's PR guy as Baghdad crumbled.
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The last (Wed 0530am- Skytrans in trouble) derogatory Skytrans thread lasted mere hours. It was however quite a mouthfull.
I for one would have liked to see where it went.
Perhaps this thread will last .. but I doubt it.
It will be
I for one would have liked to see where it went.
Perhaps this thread will last .. but I doubt it.
It will be
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*"sciolist"... Noun, archaic. "a person who pretends to be knowledgeable and well iinformed"
Care to elaborate? The guy is asking what they are like to work for, not whether they're about to melt down a nuclear reactor or hiding WMD's!!
*"sciolist"... Noun, archaic. "a person who pretends to be knowledgeable and well iinformed"
Care to elaborate? The guy is asking what they are like to work for, not whether they're about to melt down a nuclear reactor or hiding WMD's!!
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Folks listen to the older and wiser few and stop chucking darts already. Av enthus think you need to chill out .. Both yourself and the OP are low time posters and you both have chosen to raise/comment on a topic about a company that was subject to another thread that was in the last few days shut down. Your intentions may be honorable, but your timing suggests otherwise.
Slapper sounds like you're a fair way off from needing info that will change. All the info you would need for mins should be on their website .. As you establish yourself more, you will establish a network of buddies who will be able to give you the verbal info you need.
Next ...
Slapper sounds like you're a fair way off from needing info that will change. All the info you would need for mins should be on their website .. As you establish yourself more, you will establish a network of buddies who will be able to give you the verbal info you need.
Next ...
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Time for your chill pill
The question was "Whats employment like there? Working conditions?"
I have given an observation on what I have been told of the organisation. If you want to paint a rosy picture of management you will need a lot of paint because it will just not stick. It already has a brown undercoat.
I have given an observation on what I have been told of the organisation. If you want to paint a rosy picture of management you will need a lot of paint because it will just not stick. It already has a brown undercoat.
Yep, and the OP wouldn't have needed to ask the question if he were able to search older threads...
From (some) people who have had the skytrans experience...
From (some) people who have had the skytrans experience...
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It was however quite a mouthfull.
If Donkey_Punch wants to be an ass and post defamation and libel at least he should have the courtesy to add his real name and address for service.
I for one would have liked to see where it went.
As a 'low time poster' I guess I'd better write another post to get the count up so I sound more knowledgeable
The Turkey Slapper, you'll probably find Skytrans are like most other companies, some guys have a good run, some don't. As for the 'brown stain' on management, I haven't heard any stories that confirm anything on the scale of the bad stories always coming out of Rex.
The pay is ok, the upper management of Flight Ops have good standards and the company is still expanding, creating regular upgrade opportunities. If you make the minimums, apply for a job!
The Turkey Slapper, you'll probably find Skytrans are like most other companies, some guys have a good run, some don't. As for the 'brown stain' on management, I haven't heard any stories that confirm anything on the scale of the bad stories always coming out of Rex.
The pay is ok, the upper management of Flight Ops have good standards and the company is still expanding, creating regular upgrade opportunities. If you make the minimums, apply for a job!
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Is it just me?
Why is it when an operator gets dumped on, the offending thread gets pulled yet when CASA is the target it is open slather?
Not that both don't deserve some flack. Or is it that the operator's lawyers have Pprune on speed dial?
Not that both don't deserve some flack. Or is it that the operator's lawyers have Pprune on speed dial?
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Just for giggles ...
Just for giggles ...
Not all operators ... page 19
http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-general-a...si-air-19.html
Not all operators ... page 19
http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-general-a...si-air-19.html
Av_enthus, I think the point some of us are trying to make is that the reason you don't read any criticism of skytrans here is because they seem to be, for some reason, a protected species. QF, Rex, Skippers, CASA, et al are obviously not, based on the "dumping" they frequently get - particularly on this site...
The OP of the deleted thread earlier this week was particularly blunt, as the Moderator on this thread has inferred, however from my personal skytrans experience, he is actually not far off the mark.
However, as in all things, some get a good run with an operator, others don't. My offering - if you end up working for them, do not make a mistake at work and ensure complete and unquestioning obedience to management. Do not question them, or raise concern based on your standards - particularly if it will cost them any money at all. Cairns / Brisbane, on the other hand, are fantastic places to live!
The OP of the deleted thread earlier this week was particularly blunt, as the Moderator on this thread has inferred, however from my personal skytrans experience, he is actually not far off the mark.
However, as in all things, some get a good run with an operator, others don't. My offering - if you end up working for them, do not make a mistake at work and ensure complete and unquestioning obedience to management. Do not question them, or raise concern based on your standards - particularly if it will cost them any money at all. Cairns / Brisbane, on the other hand, are fantastic places to live!
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Well put Flying Bear
Aviation Enthus, I admire your enthusiasm and support for this operator but if I can give a little advice and it comes from experience accumulated in nearly 40 years in and around the aviation industry, not from the number of posts, it is the following:
Nearly all of us get into the industry because we love flying and the thought that somebody might pay us to do it is truly living the dream. But, as we gain experience and we are exposed to the less scrupulous operators who see our skills and love of flying as a resource to be mined and therefore depleted in order to boost their personal coffers, our view becomes less clear and that dream fades into the distance only to be replaced by the black and white reality that you are being used and, once spent will be cast aside to make room for the next dreamer, qualified with the minimums and relishing the opportunity to take their seat on the Ferris wheel.
Some will say that the dream was foolish and naive, and they may be right. But there will be operators that treat their pilots just as a resource with little regard for the human part of the brand. This is one of those operators. The worrying part of this behavior is that some take the same attitude to all the other necessary parts of the equation to keep the customer and the regulator satisfied.
Take the minimums and give the minimum and if possible to get away with it, fudge the latter. If you still want to buy your seat on this particular Ferris wheel, Caveat emptor.
Nearly all of us get into the industry because we love flying and the thought that somebody might pay us to do it is truly living the dream. But, as we gain experience and we are exposed to the less scrupulous operators who see our skills and love of flying as a resource to be mined and therefore depleted in order to boost their personal coffers, our view becomes less clear and that dream fades into the distance only to be replaced by the black and white reality that you are being used and, once spent will be cast aside to make room for the next dreamer, qualified with the minimums and relishing the opportunity to take their seat on the Ferris wheel.
Some will say that the dream was foolish and naive, and they may be right. But there will be operators that treat their pilots just as a resource with little regard for the human part of the brand. This is one of those operators. The worrying part of this behavior is that some take the same attitude to all the other necessary parts of the equation to keep the customer and the regulator satisfied.
Take the minimums and give the minimum and if possible to get away with it, fudge the latter. If you still want to buy your seat on this particular Ferris wheel, Caveat emptor.
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Or is it that the operator's lawyers have PPRuNe on speed dial?
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