PIFR vs CIR

[bentleg]

Who mandates them? Flying schools? If you're exercising the privileges of your PIFR, you are flying privately, and not bound by anyones Ops Manual except your own personal SOPs. I'm the first to agree that the more recent you are, the safer you are, but the only "place" able to mandate recency requirements is the regulator.

I know of two organisations at Camden that require compliance with CAO 40.2.1 recency requirements before they will allow you to fly IFR in their aircraft.

[Clearedtoreenter]

I know of two organisations at Camden that require compliance with CAO 40.2.1 recency requirements before they will allow you to fly IFR in their aircraft.

Maybe its because of this:

'The recent experience requirements of
the command instrument rating (CAO 40.2.1 para 11)
should be used as guidance as to what minimum recent
experience is likely to be required.'

www.casa.gov.au/download/caaps/ops/5_13_1.pdf

Would be pretty hard to defend a guy they let go off doing a solo ILS 23 months after his last one.

[Lasiorhinus]

Ah, now thats an entirely different kettle of fish - requirements of someone who owns the aircraft you're flying.

The owner can specify anything they want to, and its up to you to decide if that's reasonable, or alternatively go and find another aircraft to fly.

PIFR is very very much personal judgement based. It requires you to know your own limits, and stick to them.

Is it a good idea to go flying to an aerodrome where you know you will need to fly a VOR approach in IMC, and your complete recency is,

-Flew a VOR approach fifteen months ago as part of a BFR.
-89 days ago, flew a long cross country on a clear blue day and spend three hours under the hood maintaining straight and level, while a safety pilot looked out the window.
-After lunch on that same day 89 days ago, called into a flying school and an instructor mate showed you the school's new synthetic flight trainer, and let you fly an ILS for the fun of it.

The above makes you perfectly legal under CAO 40.2.1 to fly a VOR approach in IMC today, but is it a good idea? The answer to that depends, depending on you.

[PA39]

For those poor buggers who couldn't afford the twin hrly rate i recommended that we do their FIR in a single and then have it converted to a twin at the first renewal...finances depending. I used to train people all the time this way.

[UnaMas]

for those of you reccomending Avalon Airservices, they are very good, but very very expensive!!!

[MakeItHappenCaptain]

Did the PIFR paperwork beat your CIR renewal paperwork to Canberra? ATO never signed off on anything for me.

This is your friendly CASA FIO here.
Seeing as local cops can issue summonsessses through face book, could you please kindly head into your local field office to hand in your PIFR as we have had no response to requests to rectify your paperwork and we KNOW you will be reading this.

For PIFR addition to an existing CIR; just ask the ATO to fill out the extra form at your test. Every ATO I know will do it at no additional cost.

Single vs. Multi; all you need is one approach in a multi with an ATO and the whole shebang gets upgraded. PIFR and CIR.

PIFR vs CIR; CASA made it hard (esp in SE QLD) for schools to conduct the PIFR exams. (Each aid has to be examined separately, Avalon was in a "unique" position, until now.) Doing the the CIR means an IREX (bummer) but you get every FPA associated with each aid, whereas each individual FPA (NDB Holding, NDB IAL requires Vis Circling, Navigation using NDB) must be assessed with PIFR. Much easier to test and you have a higher standard (read as safer) with CIR, IMHO