RAA Increased Height, Weight and Water
Tsk Tsk, Mr perfection...
via jabawocky;
...if you are a moron in ga....i'll be on your case.
...if you are a moron on pprune....i'll be on your case.
...if you are a moron in ga....i'll be on your case.
...if you are a moron on pprune....i'll be on your case.
via forktaileddrkiller;
check ya notams and watch out for active restricted areas - jaba nearly got me into trouble with that one!
http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-general-a...bankstown.html
check ya notams and watch out for active restricted areas - jaba nearly got me into trouble with that one!
http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-general-a...bankstown.html
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As my old headmaster used to say: "A breach of common sense is a breach of school rules".
Some of you will remember Sir Brian....
Why do we have to endlessly make this point?
Some of you will remember Sir Brian....
Why do we have to endlessly make this point?
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HAHAHAHAHHA
HOOK LINE AND SINKER
YOU GRADE 'A' FOOL........
Binghi Buzz Bomber, you clearly are thick as three short planks. Read on a bit further and for that matter every other thread where Forkie pulls that gag just to be a funny bugger. And funny he is indeed.
But you would never get that humour would you Binghi???? No, because you would not check your facts.
Fact is Forkie was planned on blundering through the R airspace and it was Jaba that saved our butts being shot at by some stealthy beast in the bush.
So stick that in ya pipe and smoke it...........AND STOP STUPID ATTEMPTS AT DIVERTING THE THREAD DEBATE FROM THE TOPIC AT HAND BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOTHING OF VALUE TO ADD.
AND YESS I AM YELLING AT YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE SHORT OF SIGHT, HEARING AND COMPRHENSION SO I HOPE THIS HELPS.
J
HOOK LINE AND SINKER
YOU GRADE 'A' FOOL........
Binghi Buzz Bomber, you clearly are thick as three short planks. Read on a bit further and for that matter every other thread where Forkie pulls that gag just to be a funny bugger. And funny he is indeed.
But you would never get that humour would you Binghi???? No, because you would not check your facts.
Fact is Forkie was planned on blundering through the R airspace and it was Jaba that saved our butts being shot at by some stealthy beast in the bush.
So stick that in ya pipe and smoke it...........AND STOP STUPID ATTEMPTS AT DIVERTING THE THREAD DEBATE FROM THE TOPIC AT HAND BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOTHING OF VALUE TO ADD.
AND YESS I AM YELLING AT YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE SHORT OF SIGHT, HEARING AND COMPRHENSION SO I HOPE THIS HELPS.
J
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If you are a moron in RAA....I'll be on your case.
If you are a moron in GA....I'll be on your case.
If you are a moron in RPT....I'll be on your case.
If you are a moron on PPRuNe....I'll be on your case.
I do not discriminate based on which camp you are in. Morons are morons. Which one are you?
If you are a moron in GA....I'll be on your case.
If you are a moron in RPT....I'll be on your case.
If you are a moron on PPRuNe....I'll be on your case.
I do not discriminate based on which camp you are in. Morons are morons. Which one are you?
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You two solving the "problems" in a couple of thread posts.
CASA attempting to do the same in a gazillion words, in a gazillion clauses, with a gazillion amendments, in a gazillion documents scattered into a gazillion places.
CASA attempting to do the same in a gazillion words, in a gazillion clauses, with a gazillion amendments, in a gazillion documents scattered into a gazillion places.
Can anyone get the FAA rules in MS word, we do a simple "Find - Replace" and charge them $10K for a finished product. They would not even notice .....even if we missed an FAA or two!
I doubt Frankie and Jaba are really the men for the job, but it shows how hard is is if we can sort something out between us. And that says something!
J
HOOK LINE AND SINKER
YOU GRADE 'A' FOOL........
Binghi Buzz Bomber, you clearly are thick as three short planks. Read on a bit further and for that matter every other thread where Forkie pulls that gag just to be a funny bugger. And funny he is indeed.
But you would never get that humour would you Binghi???? No, because you would not check your facts.
Fact is Forkie was planned on blundering through the R airspace and it was Jaba that saved our butts being shot at by some stealthy beast in the bush.
So stick that in ya pipe and smoke it...........AND STOP STUPID ATTEMPTS AT DIVERTING THE THREAD DEBATE FROM THE TOPIC AT HAND BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOTHING OF VALUE TO ADD.
AND YESS I AM YELLING AT YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE SHORT OF SIGHT, HEARING AND COMPRHENSION SO I HOPE THIS HELPS.
YOU GRADE 'A' FOOL........
Binghi Buzz Bomber, you clearly are thick as three short planks. Read on a bit further and for that matter every other thread where Forkie pulls that gag just to be a funny bugger. And funny he is indeed.
But you would never get that humour would you Binghi???? No, because you would not check your facts.
Fact is Forkie was planned on blundering through the R airspace and it was Jaba that saved our butts being shot at by some stealthy beast in the bush.
So stick that in ya pipe and smoke it...........AND STOP STUPID ATTEMPTS AT DIVERTING THE THREAD DEBATE FROM THE TOPIC AT HAND BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOTHING OF VALUE TO ADD.
AND YESS I AM YELLING AT YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE SHORT OF SIGHT, HEARING AND COMPRHENSION SO I HOPE THIS HELPS.
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That will make us both happy
If you are going to come on here and throw muck around and ruin threads like you have on all sorts of other forums in an attempt to hijack threads and bully others, this is what you will get..... Again and again.
Add another to the Jaba delete file please
If you are going to come on here and throw muck around and ruin threads like you have on all sorts of other forums in an attempt to hijack threads and bully others, this is what you will get..... Again and again.
Add another to the Jaba delete file please
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Sunfish, Whilst I agree with what you say to some extent
T28D, I stand by what I said. The current Hobart fleet thinks its gods gift to sailing, when all it really is is a bunch of amateurs no different from their Grandafthers, just tricked up with modern technology and materials.
The Hobart I sail is characterised best as "every mans mountain".
However you miss the point I was making, part 91 Flight rules ( operations) is riddled with strict liability offences which apply to amateur and recreational aviation, a slightly risky but well defined by the laws of physics activity, which presumably now needs jailable penalties to regulate it.
Whereas on the other hand Offshore Yacht Racing an equally slightly risky activity has NO STRICT LIABILITY consequences for those who tread lightly on the convention of risk mitigation.
Point is why would one with appropriate skills and financial ability put ones neck into the part 91 guilliotine wnen equally one could clinb "every mans mountain" and go to Hobart (or Port Lincoln, or Geraldton ) and share the experience without the sword of Democles hanging over ones head.
Much has been said about the difference between G/A and RAA when factually little difference actually exists, you "canna change the laws of physics", aviation is dependent on simple rules and a vast body of experience that dictates what is sensible and what is simply "twaddle"
We share a common bond, lets not trash that, experience is the thing that differentiates us from machines, it also is the very thing that allows us to challenge unjust rubbish like the proposed Part 91.
Use the experience wisely, collaborate and collectively we can change this rush to use strict liabilty to bring us all "into line"'.
T28D, I stand by what I said. The current Hobart fleet thinks its gods gift to sailing, when all it really is is a bunch of amateurs no different from their Grandafthers, just tricked up with modern technology and materials.
The Hobart I sail is characterised best as "every mans mountain".
However you miss the point I was making, part 91 Flight rules ( operations) is riddled with strict liability offences which apply to amateur and recreational aviation, a slightly risky but well defined by the laws of physics activity, which presumably now needs jailable penalties to regulate it.
Whereas on the other hand Offshore Yacht Racing an equally slightly risky activity has NO STRICT LIABILITY consequences for those who tread lightly on the convention of risk mitigation.
Point is why would one with appropriate skills and financial ability put ones neck into the part 91 guilliotine wnen equally one could clinb "every mans mountain" and go to Hobart (or Port Lincoln, or Geraldton ) and share the experience without the sword of Democles hanging over ones head.
Much has been said about the difference between G/A and RAA when factually little difference actually exists, you "canna change the laws of physics", aviation is dependent on simple rules and a vast body of experience that dictates what is sensible and what is simply "twaddle"
We share a common bond, lets not trash that, experience is the thing that differentiates us from machines, it also is the very thing that allows us to challenge unjust rubbish like the proposed Part 91.
Use the experience wisely, collaborate and collectively we can change this rush to use strict liabilty to bring us all "into line"'.
If you are going to come on here and throw muck around and ruin threads like you have on all sorts of other forums in an attempt to hijack threads and bully others, this is what you will get..... Again and again.
Jabawocky have another look at the standard of your posts.
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I'll post this again for those who either missed it or concentrated too much on the last paragraph. If it helps, ignore that last paragraph;
I wonder if The Skull's latest announcement to hurry up the regulatory reform programme, (The CASA Briefing April 2011), which has dragged on for the last 20+ years means RA-Aus will be included in the laws as they are to be written. (As they should be by now).
Australian aviation is administered in effect by "instruments" or "exemptions" from existing inadequate laws because of this incompetent attempt at regulatory reform. RA-Aus is no exception, being an "exemption" from existing laws in it's own right.
This "exemption" is now granted further "exemptions" from the "exemptions" to fly above 5000 ft.
I've heard rumours that CASA find it easier to grant "exemptions" than address the reform project. I've also heard it has gone on for so long there is no way to just abolish "exemptions" because in effect it would ground most every aircraft flying in Australian airspace.
Had the regulatory reform been completed, and the "spirit" of the original recreational licence been written into law, we wouldn't have RA-Aus certificates and we wouldn't need special permission or priveleges to fly VFR where VFR now has the ability to fly.
My first impression of the concept of a recreational licence was a replacement of the existing RPPL with "add ons" like the PIFR to improve the basic theoretical and practical skills pending upgrades like medicals, endorsements etc..
I get the impression if CASA could, they would be happy for anyone to take the administrative workload off them and they would lump all non fare paying operations into a self regulatory institution like RA-Aus. Unfortunately they have probably found out what I've known for years that there is no harmony or cohesion with any in the GA community. Further they compound the problem with their policy of "divide and conquer" so no amalgamation can gang up on them. (think about guilt or paranoia here).
Regulation has not kept pace with aviation evolution and I remember the balking of allowing the first twin engine jets to overfly oceans. If sport and ultralight aircraft have demonstrated their evolution and ability, and if pilots have done likewise, why should they be left struggling for permission to fly above reasonable convective heights? Why are half the pilots in Australia forced to fly under "exemptions" granted by a sometimes, (sometimes not) benevolent bureaucracy.
Why is there the perception that a 100 hour PPL has more intellegence or manipulative experience than a 100 hour RA-Aus pilot? And how does one gain experience except by the process of lessons learnt over time?
Australian aviation is administered in effect by "instruments" or "exemptions" from existing inadequate laws because of this incompetent attempt at regulatory reform. RA-Aus is no exception, being an "exemption" from existing laws in it's own right.
This "exemption" is now granted further "exemptions" from the "exemptions" to fly above 5000 ft.
I've heard rumours that CASA find it easier to grant "exemptions" than address the reform project. I've also heard it has gone on for so long there is no way to just abolish "exemptions" because in effect it would ground most every aircraft flying in Australian airspace.
Had the regulatory reform been completed, and the "spirit" of the original recreational licence been written into law, we wouldn't have RA-Aus certificates and we wouldn't need special permission or priveleges to fly VFR where VFR now has the ability to fly.
My first impression of the concept of a recreational licence was a replacement of the existing RPPL with "add ons" like the PIFR to improve the basic theoretical and practical skills pending upgrades like medicals, endorsements etc..
I get the impression if CASA could, they would be happy for anyone to take the administrative workload off them and they would lump all non fare paying operations into a self regulatory institution like RA-Aus. Unfortunately they have probably found out what I've known for years that there is no harmony or cohesion with any in the GA community. Further they compound the problem with their policy of "divide and conquer" so no amalgamation can gang up on them. (think about guilt or paranoia here).
Regulation has not kept pace with aviation evolution and I remember the balking of allowing the first twin engine jets to overfly oceans. If sport and ultralight aircraft have demonstrated their evolution and ability, and if pilots have done likewise, why should they be left struggling for permission to fly above reasonable convective heights? Why are half the pilots in Australia forced to fly under "exemptions" granted by a sometimes, (sometimes not) benevolent bureaucracy.
Why is there the perception that a 100 hour PPL has more intellegence or manipulative experience than a 100 hour RA-Aus pilot? And how does one gain experience except by the process of lessons learnt over time?
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In an ideal world, RA-Aus, CASA, AOPA, SAAA, GFA, Warbirds and others would all play nicely together. Until such time, threads like this one will be in existence.
It is a pity, as all are out to effectively achieve the same purpose.
It is a pity, as all are out to effectively achieve the same purpose.
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The fact that all the alphabet soup organisations have failed to alter the Regulators mindset in whatever the guise over the course of the last 40+ years indicates the solution to the problem lies elsewhere.
There can only be a political solution and unfortunately we are bereft of imaginative, competent or willing political might.
I wouldn't rely on there being an ideal world for some time.
There can only be a political solution and unfortunately we are bereft of imaginative, competent or willing political might.
I wouldn't rely on there being an ideal world for some time.
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Ironically Frank, while giving a Department the authority to introduce rules under Exemption from the original Act usually results in corruption, incompetence or just an uncontrollable mess without the safeguard of Parliamentary scrutiny and debate, it also provides the Instrument which allows the Department to rapidly respond to issues and changing circumstances.
Which is probably why the Politicians long ago set it up that way.
Which is probably why the Politicians long ago set it up that way.
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I doubt politicians are that imaginative.
"Instruments" are a product of the regulator.
They have that ability because politicians are lazy and couldn't be bothered to pick up and read "tabled" documents and they pass into law without debate.
"Instruments" are a product of the regulator.
They have that ability because politicians are lazy and couldn't be bothered to pick up and read "tabled" documents and they pass into law without debate.
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After a compliment like that Frank I can't see any politicians dropping their work on welfare issues, roads, or any of the other important work to do some major reform for a bunch of weekend leisure seekers.
And you need to do a little more research on how the separation from Government occurs.
And you need to do a little more research on how the separation from Government occurs.
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bunch of weekend leisure seekers
separation from Government
As for politicians dropping their work on important issues, they already do mate. It's a free for all for greens, illegal immigrants, gay and lesbian marriage, left handed surfboard riders, and all at the cost of our health, welfare, and military security. Strewth!
Please don't tell us the church is involved. (something I could speculate on without your help). Or perhaps chat room involvement and a plot to overthrow the establishments?
But you obviously have something more to say about this, so go ahead and educate us. This should be interesting.
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I fail to see why if someone wants to fly Cessnas, Gliders and Ultralights they need 3 different bits of paper and have to belong to 2 different non-government groups. Why a GA pilot can fly a GA Jabiru but not the same aircraft with numbers on the side. Why the pilot of a motorglider can legally fly through controlled airspace, yet the holder of a RAA cert (who has far more things to cover in the syllabus) can't.
Why not just introduce a recreational license, limit it to a few pax and say 2000kg for liability reasons, provide endorsements for LSA/microlights/gliders/CTA etc and get rid of all these redundant groups that just foster the "us and them" mentality.
Why not just introduce a recreational license, limit it to a few pax and say 2000kg for liability reasons, provide endorsements for LSA/microlights/gliders/CTA etc and get rid of all these redundant groups that just foster the "us and them" mentality.
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You're not suggesting this is a forum for serious discussion are you?