Starting out in late 30's - advice please...
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Starting out in late 30's - advice please...
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Have read quite a few posts regarding starting out in the aviation industry while in your teens or early twenties, not much on doing the same while in your thirties. Have a trade in a dead end industry and I've decided to follow my passion. Have flown to a solo standard (10 yrs ago) and then life got in the way as it tends to do so I'm basically starting from scratch. I'm living to the north of Brisbane and intend to continue my training at either Redcliffe or Caboolture. Any advice/help from those who may have travelled a similar road would be invaluable... difficult to get a clear picture of what my options are... does a clear picture exist!!? Cadetship not a realistic option with young family and financial commitments.
Have read quite a few posts regarding starting out in the aviation industry while in your teens or early twenties, not much on doing the same while in your thirties. Have a trade in a dead end industry and I've decided to follow my passion. Have flown to a solo standard (10 yrs ago) and then life got in the way as it tends to do so I'm basically starting from scratch. I'm living to the north of Brisbane and intend to continue my training at either Redcliffe or Caboolture. Any advice/help from those who may have travelled a similar road would be invaluable... difficult to get a clear picture of what my options are... does a clear picture exist!!? Cadetship not a realistic option with young family and financial commitments.
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Printer by trade and worked that for 20 years
Asked for the same advice as you are now and had a lot of well meaning people advising me against it as the age factor was against me. Either that or maybe end up in a turbo prop job.
Being very honest the road has been harder than I thought it would be, cost more money than I thought it would and has been emotional roller coaster.
Having said that I'm glad I did it.
Married with 3 kids under 10
Started my PPL at 33 and got CPL at 35.
Got instructors rating at 38 and did that for a couple of years, have the turbo prop job and just interviewed for a jet job. Don't know how I went but my age never came into the equation.
Asked for the same advice as you are now and had a lot of well meaning people advising me against it as the age factor was against me. Either that or maybe end up in a turbo prop job.
Being very honest the road has been harder than I thought it would be, cost more money than I thought it would and has been emotional roller coaster.
Having said that I'm glad I did it.
Married with 3 kids under 10
Started my PPL at 33 and got CPL at 35.
Got instructors rating at 38 and did that for a couple of years, have the turbo prop job and just interviewed for a jet job. Don't know how I went but my age never came into the equation.
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The road...
Printer!! Same... newspapers, heatset... you now what I mean by dead-end job then 
Thanks Scardy, this is what I need to hear.
I am definitely under no illusions about how difficult and financially draining this is going to be. Just don't want to spend 100k to have someone tell me I'm too old.
I intend to keep working(shifts) while training... CPL within 2 yrs... instruct at a school around my shift work if possible or go to instructing fulltime to build my hours. There is a plan... of sorts!
Thanks Scardy, this is what I need to hear.
I am definitely under no illusions about how difficult and financially draining this is going to be. Just don't want to spend 100k to have someone tell me I'm too old.
I intend to keep working(shifts) while training... CPL within 2 yrs... instruct at a school around my shift work if possible or go to instructing fulltime to build my hours. There is a plan... of sorts!
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Yeh very glad to be out of printing. Even If I stay where I am it's still better than where I was.
You will find that the age issue is bigger for you than anyone else. I know its probably stopped me enjoying the journey as much as I could have.
Anyway best of luck. As someone once said to me "don't let someone else build your world for you cause they will build it too small"
You will find that the age issue is bigger for you than anyone else. I know its probably stopped me enjoying the journey as much as I could have.
Anyway best of luck. As someone once said to me "don't let someone else build your world for you cause they will build it too small"
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I only started working towards my PPL/CPL a year or so ago. No matter what people may tell you prospects wise, I'm a believer that if you work hard enough towards your goals, you will find someway of making it work for you, no matter what the circumstances. The only frustrating thing for me relates to the fact I still have to squeeze in a 60hr a week job along with trying to work through my CPL exams and night rating. I'm quite jealous of those young ones who get to work towards their dreams full time.
Like you my plan is to get my CPL ( inc night rating ) and then an instructor rating. I'm probably one of the few ones not really interested in the airline route. I'd be happy with a part time instructing job.
Good luck, whatever direction you take.
P.S I thought about giving up my dream of a job in aviation a few years ago ( due to my age ) but unfortunately I could not stop the thought of flying commercially from eating away at the back of my head… I suppose it’s better to chase you dream and fail than never try and regret it.
Like you my plan is to get my CPL ( inc night rating ) and then an instructor rating. I'm probably one of the few ones not really interested in the airline route. I'd be happy with a part time instructing job.
Good luck, whatever direction you take.
P.S I thought about giving up my dream of a job in aviation a few years ago ( due to my age ) but unfortunately I could not stop the thought of flying commercially from eating away at the back of my head… I suppose it’s better to chase you dream and fail than never try and regret it.
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Must be the ex printers convention around here. Same with me, large format sheet fed though and made the switch to flying in late 20s so not quite the same situation but close. Well worth making the change just make sure you don't go into debt for it....one great thing about the trade is the shift work, meaning you can train and work whilst still earning good money.
I was pretty happy the day i walked out of there knowing that would be the last time i would have to listen to that noise or change a fcuking blanket! Miss the three day week though!
Aviation is not an easy road by any stretch though so talk to as many people as you can, disregard 10% of opinions at the positive and negative extremes and go into it with your eyes open.
I was pretty happy the day i walked out of there knowing that would be the last time i would have to listen to that noise or change a fcuking blanket! Miss the three day week though!
Aviation is not an easy road by any stretch though so talk to as many people as you can, disregard 10% of opinions at the positive and negative extremes and go into it with your eyes open.
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Ahh yes the good ol days. Changing blankets, trying to print nice big solids without hickies. Don't miss it at all
Having said that my last job was printing domino's pizza flyers on a big old Roland. Millions of them. My boss allowed me to study whilst watching the machine.
So glad I made the break
Having said that my last job was printing domino's pizza flyers on a big old Roland. Millions of them. My boss allowed me to study whilst watching the machine.
So glad I made the break
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Do it bro, it will be very tough, financially and emotionally. Ups and downs. But dont become an old man, and wonder what if? Only one crack at life.
I started in my mid 20's, but left the game for about 7 years. Got back into it at 35, halved my pay... but I love to fly. Sacrifice I made. Id never change it.
Sometimes, I've found having a few runs on the board is a big advantage. Maturity, life experience ect. Can also help with command decisions ect. In my experience Ive found my age an advantage. I could never think how I would have went as a 20 year old. Not to well. But youve gained lifes tools. Use em.
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I started in my mid 20's, but left the game for about 7 years. Got back into it at 35, halved my pay... but I love to fly. Sacrifice I made. Id never change it.
Sometimes, I've found having a few runs on the board is a big advantage. Maturity, life experience ect. Can also help with command decisions ect. In my experience Ive found my age an advantage. I could never think how I would have went as a 20 year old. Not to well. But youve gained lifes tools. Use em.
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POLAR>>>>.
I did it and have not looked back....much
Have three kids and hefty mortgage.
I love flying to the point of addiction,(to flying that is!)
This love and the ensuring motivation helped me cross many bridges.
You only have one life,(until proved otherwise), so live it!
I did it and have not looked back....much
Have three kids and hefty mortgage.
I love flying to the point of addiction,(to flying that is!)
This love and the ensuring motivation helped me cross many bridges.
You only have one life,(until proved otherwise), so live it!
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I know of three fellows in particular who've made the change. The difference is that they were all successful in business, sold them and made the change.
All three were employed by a chief pilot who has the maturity to understand the advantage of employing an older, life experienced person.
And on the printer business, I've got a mate that did the trade and then moved on, now on triple sevens
All three were employed by a chief pilot who has the maturity to understand the advantage of employing an older, life experienced person.
And on the printer business, I've got a mate that did the trade and then moved on, now on triple sevens
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Hey Polar,
Had never flown till is was 34. Was a computer geek with wife and 3 kids......
. Vomitted on my first three lessons. Stuck with it.
. Spent over 90K on flight training. Stuck with it.
. Seriously considered giving up at least four or five times during training thinking that this is beyond me, have RESPOSIBILITIES and i'm to old to be putting in this much study and competeing against cashed up 20 yo's!!!!!! . Stuck with it and didn't give up!!
Stuck with it and didn't give up!!!!!!
Stuck with it and didn't give up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And after a lot of hard work......
. Got a job as a hangar rat
. Worked hard, made the boss happy and got a PA31 endorsement after sweeping hangers for 6 months
. Worked hard, made the boss happy, got a Titan endorsement.
. Worked hard, made the boss happy, got a King Air endorsement.
Flew around the country pinching myself that I got to fly these very cool aircraft.
And then one day.....
Put and application into an airline, jumped through their hoops and got a job !!!
Now flying RPT turboprops and loving it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Age gives you one advantage Polar .....perspective!!!! You already know how to work hard and survive! You already know how to deal with stress!!! You already know how to compete....and it is a competition!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm now 40 with 4 kids and a wife, get paid about half as much now as I did as a computer geek, but you know what............I come to work every day and get paid to do my hobby and love it!!!!!!!
Took me about 6 years all up of working my A%$* off but it is totally worth it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Commit to it, don't give up!! don't give up!! don't give up!! don't give up!!
And before you know it you'll be staring down at the ground from flight levels pinching yourself as I did, rather than looking up into the sky, watching planes go by feeling full of regret that you didn't give it a go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Get in there and give it a crack Polar...... and you never know, one day down the track, after you've succeeded, you can give the same advise to some other older bloke who is worried about sticking his neck out to chase a dream!!!
That's what I reckon anyway!!
Had never flown till is was 34. Was a computer geek with wife and 3 kids......
. Vomitted on my first three lessons. Stuck with it.
. Spent over 90K on flight training. Stuck with it.
. Seriously considered giving up at least four or five times during training thinking that this is beyond me, have RESPOSIBILITIES and i'm to old to be putting in this much study and competeing against cashed up 20 yo's!!!!!! . Stuck with it and didn't give up!!
Stuck with it and didn't give up!!!!!!
Stuck with it and didn't give up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And after a lot of hard work......
. Got a job as a hangar rat
. Worked hard, made the boss happy and got a PA31 endorsement after sweeping hangers for 6 months
. Worked hard, made the boss happy, got a Titan endorsement.
. Worked hard, made the boss happy, got a King Air endorsement.
Flew around the country pinching myself that I got to fly these very cool aircraft.
And then one day.....
Put and application into an airline, jumped through their hoops and got a job !!!
Now flying RPT turboprops and loving it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Age gives you one advantage Polar .....perspective!!!! You already know how to work hard and survive! You already know how to deal with stress!!! You already know how to compete....and it is a competition!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm now 40 with 4 kids and a wife, get paid about half as much now as I did as a computer geek, but you know what............I come to work every day and get paid to do my hobby and love it!!!!!!!
Took me about 6 years all up of working my A%$* off but it is totally worth it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Commit to it, don't give up!! don't give up!! don't give up!! don't give up!!
And before you know it you'll be staring down at the ground from flight levels pinching yourself as I did, rather than looking up into the sky, watching planes go by feeling full of regret that you didn't give it a go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Get in there and give it a crack Polar...... and you never know, one day down the track, after you've succeeded, you can give the same advise to some other older bloke who is worried about sticking his neck out to chase a dream!!!
That's what I reckon anyway!!
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After 15 years of listening to every other bastard whinge about doing a job I love, that is one of the best posts I have read on here for ages
Thanks mate well done
After 15 years of listening to every other bastard whinge about doing a job I love, that is one of the best posts I have read on here for ages
Thanks mate well done
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It does happen
Some similarities with porkchop...
Worked in I.T. and was sick of it (By mid-morning on Monday I was counting down the hours until knock off on Friday)
First flying lesson in December 2001 at age 38.
I.T. full-time/flying part time CPL 15 months later.
I.T. full-time/casual flying for 18 months.
I.T. part-time/flying part-time for 18 months
12 month sabattical from flying (training and o/s deployment with the army)
First full-time flying job in Darwin
Second full-time flying job at Qlink in April 2008
Six and a half years from first lesson to getting the Qlink gig.
Not all beer and skittles on the way and there were some close calls financially along the way which would have meant me going back into I.T.
If I had kids I don't think I'd have got there.
YES to all the above
DIVOSH!
Worked in I.T. and was sick of it (By mid-morning on Monday I was counting down the hours until knock off on Friday)
First flying lesson in December 2001 at age 38.
I.T. full-time/flying part time CPL 15 months later.
I.T. full-time/casual flying for 18 months.
I.T. part-time/flying part-time for 18 months
12 month sabattical from flying (training and o/s deployment with the army)
First full-time flying job in Darwin
Second full-time flying job at Qlink in April 2008
Six and a half years from first lesson to getting the Qlink gig.
Not all beer and skittles on the way and there were some close calls financially along the way which would have meant me going back into I.T.
If I had kids I don't think I'd have got there.
Seriously considered giving up at least four or five times during training thinking that this is beyond me...
Stuck with it and didn't give up!!!!!!
Age gives you one advantage Polar .....perspective!!!! You already know how to work hard and survive! You already know how to deal with stress!!! You already know how to compete.
Worked hard
get paid about half as much now as I did as a computer geek, but you know what............I come to work every day and get paid... and love it!!!!!!!
DIVOSH!
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Wow! So many positive comments. It really is quite refreshing and encouraging to read on PPRuNe! Thanks guys
My 2c: Although having a sound focus and solid goal is important (essential?) in providing one with the persistent determination required to make it all happen, just make sure that you always keep things in perspective and most importantly, that you enjoy the journey. After all, that's what life is all about
My 2c: Although having a sound focus and solid goal is important (essential?) in providing one with the persistent determination required to make it all happen, just make sure that you always keep things in perspective and most importantly, that you enjoy the journey. After all, that's what life is all about
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To all... thank you for these positive and uplifting posts ... inspiring to see those of you who have struggled through financial and emotional hardship to achieve your dream and made it... if I wasn't confident before I certainly am now. Definitely don't want to exit this life wondering "what if !!"
...And that last blanket change, hickie pick, duct change, blanket wash, re-web, plate twist and s
t coffee is certainly something to look forward to
... inspiring to see those of you who have struggled through financial and emotional hardship to achieve your dream and made it... if I wasn't confident before I certainly am now. Definitely don't want to exit this life wondering "what if !!"...And that last blanket change, hickie pick, duct change, blanket wash, re-web, plate twist and s
t coffee is certainly something to look forward to
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Pic wisely where you train
I started at 33 and got CPL at a city pump 'em through flying factory.
Lesson 1, Go to a country or suburban school as they have industry contacts who can help you out with your first job. I got CPL 2.5 years ago and still haven't cracked that first job. Not the instructor type so limits it a bit.
Lesson 2, stay away from schools with foreign airlines contracts. You will be number 10 on the priority list.
Lesson 3, dont get talked into doing a rating you dont really need. Aerobatics is great if want to do it but tailwheel and low level is a bit of a waste if you dont have a soild job offer.
Unlike most of the posters on here I have come across some ageism but that seemed to come from places you wouldn't want to work at anyway.
I also wanted to stop numerous times but kept cracking on with it. I know if I persist I will get a break so haven't given up yet. Some young guys who I did CPL with have already given up looking and have wasted bucket loads of mum and dads money.
Lesson 1, Go to a country or suburban school as they have industry contacts who can help you out with your first job. I got CPL 2.5 years ago and still haven't cracked that first job. Not the instructor type so limits it a bit.
Lesson 2, stay away from schools with foreign airlines contracts. You will be number 10 on the priority list.
Lesson 3, dont get talked into doing a rating you dont really need. Aerobatics is great if want to do it but tailwheel and low level is a bit of a waste if you dont have a soild job offer.
Unlike most of the posters on here I have come across some ageism but that seemed to come from places you wouldn't want to work at anyway.
I also wanted to stop numerous times but kept cracking on with it. I know if I persist I will get a break so haven't given up yet. Some young guys who I did CPL with have already given up looking and have wasted bucket loads of mum and dads money.
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I am 39, I did my private/com/NVFR rating back in 1992 then didn't use it. I worked as a cameraman for 20 years. Over all that time I was glider towing - did about 900 hours of that - didn't cost me a cent. In October 2008 I decided I was sick of the media and I wanted to turn my hobby into my career. I did a MECIR and applied for a job. In total I had 1200 single engine VFR hours and my basic IFR rating. It took 11 months but a charter job came up in the country so I sold my house and my wife and I moved. I started flying a C402 doing passenger charter as my first job. In a couple of months I was on the C404. The company was a great place to fly and the boss was very good to me. If you work hard and do the right thing it gets noticed. I've just resigned and I'm starting a new job in 4 weeks - again on a C404 but with FO work on a turbo prop. Currently I'm studying my ATPLs - 2 down - 5 to go. I'm married with no kids. I had a plan to change my career and get back to a similar salary within 5 years, I'm half way into that time frame. The most important thing, I love going to work! I feel like I haven't worked for a year and a half! The young pilots I come across are in such a hurry to progress and climb the ladder. I'm not in a hurry, just enjoying the ride - you have to smell the roses along the way. You will take a financial hit though. I love Porkchop's post - VERY true.
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Got my first job at 36, if anything I have found it (being older) an advantage!
Plenty of guys a lot older than me have got their first jet jobs in the last few years too...
Plenty of guys a lot older than me have got their first jet jobs in the last few years too...
so I sold my house and my wife
Respect, dude!PPL at 34, CPL & MECIR at 37, first gig on C182 at 38, kept at it, moved up through PA34, PA31, went full time and dropped pay by 75%, C404, C208, B200. Back to where I was money wise 10 years ago. Happy as a pig in poo. Follow you heart, you're only here once...... life is not a dress rehearsal.
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