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I'm surprised to see posters comparing RAA instructors to GA instructors in terms of skills and quality when you don't even have to have a PPL to be an RAA instructor. Speaks for itself doesn't it.
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No, what speaks for itself is the mass exodus away from GA instructors (generally). You don't need a PPL this is true, but most have one. What also speaks for itself is the hours of conversion training I have to put PPL holders through when converting to jabiru's or the like. Nothing like a slippery RAA acft to humble any GA pilot.
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matt....
im an raa instructor, with no intention of going ga instructing or cpl.....im happy where i am and plan to continue doing it for as long as i can.
raa instructors are no lower than ga instructors......thered b nothing wrong with 'settling' as an raa instructor....
im an raa instructor, with no intention of going ga instructing or cpl.....im happy where i am and plan to continue doing it for as long as i can.
raa instructors are no lower than ga instructors......thered b nothing wrong with 'settling' as an raa instructor....
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Matt. I have done refresher training with multi thousand hour CPL holders in RAA aircraft.
Have also converted several heavy jet pilots onto RAA aircraft. Is your hubby flying for the airlines now?..If so, why would he need to get an instructor rating?
Mates rates. I'm not sure what award they fall under. Some schools have instructors still doing it for the love, although this is certainly not the norm any more.
I Pay My senior instructor $25/ flying hour and a $40 retainer if she is at work all day. 2-3 hour (flying) days are pretty standard. Not going to get rich but well worth the drive to the airfield.
Hope this helps.
Have also converted several heavy jet pilots onto RAA aircraft. Is your hubby flying for the airlines now?..If so, why would he need to get an instructor rating?
Mates rates. I'm not sure what award they fall under. Some schools have instructors still doing it for the love, although this is certainly not the norm any more.
I Pay My senior instructor $25/ flying hour and a $40 retainer if she is at work all day. 2-3 hour (flying) days are pretty standard. Not going to get rich but well worth the drive to the airfield.
Hope this helps.
Matt, no you cannot automatically instruct raa with a gr 2. You still need to convert the rating. If your hubby wants the airlines, he needs to get his but into gear and get those atpls.
I'll say it again, i am no raa basher, i'm all for it. I was a former raa cfi myself. I just think the standards set by the raa are not enforced enough. Like I said, I have seen some dodgy raa instructors in my time. I knew a cfi who, with a wink and nudge, used to hand out instructor ratings.
That aside, on the most part there are some excellent raa instructors out there. As for the op, go for it!
I'll say it again, i am no raa basher, i'm all for it. I was a former raa cfi myself. I just think the standards set by the raa are not enforced enough. Like I said, I have seen some dodgy raa instructors in my time. I knew a cfi who, with a wink and nudge, used to hand out instructor ratings.
That aside, on the most part there are some excellent raa instructors out there. As for the op, go for it!
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Examiners giving out Level 2 authority's now? Never let the truth get in the way of a good yarn hey. Level 2's are granted by the tech manager of RAA. And last i heard, he doesn't drink beer.
Instructor ratings are an approval granted by the ops manager on a reccomendation from a CFI with instructor training approval, and must be backed up by the relevant paperwork. Cases of beer being sent by fax or email VHXXX.?
Keep it real mate, your accusations are simply laughable and do nothing for your credibility. When you have nothing else, lets just make some stories up hey? I mean fair crack of the whip, to belittle the RAA instructor to the point of suggesting all he needs to do is purchase a case of beer??. How do you guys come up with this stuff?
$25/ hour is quite reasonable and is a by product of RAA keeping prices low and affordable by the common man, perhaps another reason why people are fleeing GA in droves.
All this being said, im afraid i must agree with some sentiments. There are some dodgy RAA instructors and CFI's. Just the same as there are dodgy GA instructors.
Matt. As others have said, a GA instructor rating doesn't allow you to instruct in RAA. However if you have 25 hours in any aircraft that is registrable under RAA then the conversion is just a flight check with a CFI (with instructor training approval). Aircraft like Jabiru, sportstar, gazelle all fall into this category.
cheers (gunna go buy some beer and see if i can con a CFI into giving me an A380 endorsement)
Instructor ratings are an approval granted by the ops manager on a reccomendation from a CFI with instructor training approval, and must be backed up by the relevant paperwork. Cases of beer being sent by fax or email VHXXX.?
Keep it real mate, your accusations are simply laughable and do nothing for your credibility. When you have nothing else, lets just make some stories up hey?
I mean fair crack of the whip, to belittle the RAA instructor to the point of suggesting all he needs to do is purchase a case of beer??. How do you guys come up with this stuff?$25/ hour is quite reasonable and is a by product of RAA keeping prices low and affordable by the common man, perhaps another reason why people are fleeing GA in droves.
All this being said, im afraid i must agree with some sentiments. There are some dodgy RAA instructors and CFI's. Just the same as there are dodgy GA instructors.
Matt. As others have said, a GA instructor rating doesn't allow you to instruct in RAA. However if you have 25 hours in any aircraft that is registrable under RAA then the conversion is just a flight check with a CFI (with instructor training approval). Aircraft like Jabiru, sportstar, gazelle all fall into this category.
cheers (gunna go buy some beer and see if i can con a CFI into giving me an A380 endorsement)
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Gee, it's been at least 3 days since our last useless RAA vs GA debate. And if someone has a heap of time flying say trikes, and wants to train to become an instructor in them, I don't really see how getting a PPL and flying Cessnas and the like is relevant. Should I need to be a truck driver before training to become a motorbike instructor?
I don't think anyone becomes an RAA instructor to get rich. The whole point of the RAA is inexpensive (in theory) flying for the fun of it, without a lot of the pointless BS that goes with GA.
Personally I'd rather be taught be someone who is in it for the love rather then someone who sees me as another hour for their logbook. My guess is there are a lot more of the latter type in GA.
as a wife that has seen all the bulls&Ût that comes with achieving a airline dream, i think id kill him if he said he has decided to settle for RAA instructing, not because its RAA but for the fact we'd have alot more money in the bank otherwise
Personally I'd rather be taught be someone who is in it for the love rather then someone who sees me as another hour for their logbook. My guess is there are a lot more of the latter type in GA.
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Most WW2 German "Aces" by-passed the primary glider and jumped straight into a FW190. Didn't they?
This thread is all about "aeroplane drivers" ego's rather than aviators.
It highlights "THE" Australian "aviation peculiarity" -somewhat like chooks sorting out a "pecking order", and while all this is going on the fox in Canberra eats them one by one.
Wake up to yourselves.
This thread is all about "aeroplane drivers" ego's rather than aviators.
It highlights "THE" Australian "aviation peculiarity" -somewhat like chooks sorting out a "pecking order", and while all this is going on the fox in Canberra eats them one by one.
Wake up to yourselves.
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$25 per hour may not seem like a lot to most people, but when u are doing something that u love, purely for the love of it, then u would do it for peanuts!
And spending an entire day at an airfield, even if just working for half of that day....wouldn't worry me at all....i still get the joy of seeing the satisfaction of a student/pilots face when they step out of the aeroplane,after having spent an hour, enjoying their passion!..........Bring it on all day, every day, i say!!!
And spending an entire day at an airfield, even if just working for half of that day....wouldn't worry me at all....i still get the joy of seeing the satisfaction of a student/pilots face when they step out of the aeroplane,after having spent an hour, enjoying their passion!..........Bring it on all day, every day, i say!!!
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i dont know about doing it for peanuts... i love instructing and flying as much as you, but i would not do it for nothing...unless im just having fun in my own aircraft.
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Matt.Why are you yelling?
Whats this crap about vomit on shoulders? Students throwing up is very rare, and even rarer for them to chuck up on the instructor. I have a couple thousand hours instructing and have never had any form of body fluid expelled on me.
If hubby is having issues with this then i sugest a career change, 300 people in a jumbo all chucking up is gunna cost the airline a mint in cleaning.
Whats this crap about vomit on shoulders? Students throwing up is very rare, and even rarer for them to chuck up on the instructor. I have a couple thousand hours instructing and have never had any form of body fluid expelled on me.
If hubby is having issues with this then i sugest a career change, 300 people in a jumbo all chucking up is gunna cost the airline a mint in cleaning.
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matt,
the school i train at is very busy, with some students who have mortgages, but also some that have a nice pocket size......though this fact being in the equation, is completely irrelevant to them learning with us......or in fact at all.
as for earning $40 for the day and not flying......well.....there are quite a number of instructors that will go above and beyond for their love of the job......theres always something that can be done to help the students and even the instructors,....us RAA guys dont just leave them at the receipt book......we too, spend time with them for exams, before and after, and we even have a chat to them, as people.
how are you limited with RAA???? i know the difference of the CTA, but as i said in my initial reply.....we all fly the same...we have the same rules/regs as the GA guys...we're also extensively thorough in our teaching also.....
having vomit and the like from a student.....well...ive never experienced it personally, though i definately wouldnt have a problem with it...i know that if it was me...id want compassion from my instructor....i like the...treat people as you would like to be treated scenario....i think it works pretty well in life....
i know you said it as a joke....but i really disagree with putting things up like the beer/jim beam thing....just remember....your hubby was a newbie instructor at one stage too.......we all had to go through the same steps to get a rating.....i know i sure dont appreciate that privilege to be degraded! i take pride in my instructor rating....even if its a lowly RAA one!
the school i train at is very busy, with some students who have mortgages, but also some that have a nice pocket size......though this fact being in the equation, is completely irrelevant to them learning with us......or in fact at all.
as for earning $40 for the day and not flying......well.....there are quite a number of instructors that will go above and beyond for their love of the job......theres always something that can be done to help the students and even the instructors,....us RAA guys dont just leave them at the receipt book......we too, spend time with them for exams, before and after, and we even have a chat to them, as people.
how are you limited with RAA???? i know the difference of the CTA, but as i said in my initial reply.....we all fly the same...we have the same rules/regs as the GA guys...we're also extensively thorough in our teaching also.....
having vomit and the like from a student.....well...ive never experienced it personally, though i definately wouldnt have a problem with it...i know that if it was me...id want compassion from my instructor....i like the...treat people as you would like to be treated scenario....i think it works pretty well in life....
i know you said it as a joke....but i really disagree with putting things up like the beer/jim beam thing....just remember....your hubby was a newbie instructor at one stage too.......we all had to go through the same steps to get a rating.....i know i sure dont appreciate that privilege to be degraded! i take pride in my instructor rating....even if its a lowly RAA one!
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vh-xxx....thats right...not limited. my interpretation of the 'limit' of an RAA instructor, by the sounds of the post, as being, as to where they can go with their instructing or even their flying. yea they may not be endorsed to teach these things, but it doesnt mean that if they are an RAA instructor, then they can do nothing further!!!! the sky is the limit for all pilots. there is absolutely nothing stopping a dude becoming a captain for qantas...even if he started out as an RAA instructor.
A little way down the track I wonder if we will be discussing the situation where the RAA training regime seems to be working and perhaps GA instructors teaching up to PPL don't need to hold a CPL.
I recall a draft CASA reg some years ago along those lines.
Of course, the required standards for an instructor Gr 3 will still apply and I know that a little while ago CASA initiated action with the aim of significantly improving new Gr 3s. Seems to be a fairly high failure rate at the first test these days.
RAA instructors seem to be paid a little higher down around Melbourne, DarkSarcasm503, so a day's wages should easily cover the travel costs in your flash car.
I recall a draft CASA reg some years ago along those lines.
Of course, the required standards for an instructor Gr 3 will still apply and I know that a little while ago CASA initiated action with the aim of significantly improving new Gr 3s. Seems to be a fairly high failure rate at the first test these days.
RAA instructors seem to be paid a little higher down around Melbourne, DarkSarcasm503, so a day's wages should easily cover the travel costs in your flash car.