Yes but, do we really need CASA.
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Yes but, do we really need CASA.
Why not give the Federal Police an aviation related branch. At least investigations into an alleged 'breach' of regulation would be properly investigated, by trained professionals who are governed by code of conduct and ethical standards.
Why not expand the ATSB to oversight 'safety' related matters. At least we would get a logical, reasoned opinion as to why a thing is deemed 'unsafe'.
That only leaves the clerical details which could, with modern technology be done on a cost effective basis.
The only safety the present crew seem interested in is 'legally safe' prosecutions. They don't seem to able to do that very well either, looking down the long, sad and probably expensive list of judgements against them.
The negative impact on aviation safety that this body has must be of serious concern to this industry. The total cost, including 'legal' fees measured against the minuscule positive safety based outcomes and improvements offered is truly staggering.
Now we have to fund the cost of yet another inquiry and probably a Royal Commission. They need to hang their collective heads in shame
Why not expand the ATSB to oversight 'safety' related matters. At least we would get a logical, reasoned opinion as to why a thing is deemed 'unsafe'.
That only leaves the clerical details which could, with modern technology be done on a cost effective basis.
The only safety the present crew seem interested in is 'legally safe' prosecutions. They don't seem to able to do that very well either, looking down the long, sad and probably expensive list of judgements against them.
The negative impact on aviation safety that this body has must be of serious concern to this industry. The total cost, including 'legal' fees measured against the minuscule positive safety based outcomes and improvements offered is truly staggering.
Now we have to fund the cost of yet another inquiry and probably a Royal Commission. They need to hang their collective heads in shame
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Do We Need CASA
I agree what do we need CASA for?
I have seen operators that clearly do the wrong thing,get caught and continue to operate????
Unless they get real power (Which they dont have) then get rid of them
I have seen operators that clearly do the wrong thing,get caught and continue to operate????
Unless they get real power (Which they dont have) then get rid of them
I don't believe CASA really has an interest in safety at its heart. Its driven by bureaucratic ease, 40 yo thinking, the A-G dept and having a public profile of looking after airline passengers. And its staffed by career public servants who don't understand or care about flying. Its lost its way.
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Why not give the Federal Police an aviation related branch.
Because in many ways they're even more defective than CASA.
Why not give the Federal Police an aviation related branch.
Because in many ways they're even more defective than CASA.
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Yes but, do we really need CASA.
No more that USA needs FAA or Europe needs EASA.
What on earth are you on about???
Do you understand the difference between the AFP, ATSB and CASA??
No more that USA needs FAA or Europe needs EASA.
What on earth are you on about???
Do you understand the difference between the AFP, ATSB and CASA??
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Is CASA the only aviation body in the free world who lists 'the penalty' under each (CASR) regulation? So CASA has pre-decided all those penalties, not a court.
Why is Part 45 (aircraft registrations and markings) a 'safety' regulation?
My aircraft will fly perfectly adequately without them, or even if they are the wrong style letters. Am I putting my passengers lives at risk if I have letters which are 1mm too small? Apparently so. Yes we should all have rego letters, but as an administrative regulation. It's got nothing to do with safety has it!
Is CASA the only aviation body in the free world to have two completely different aircraft registration regimes: VH for some, phone numbers for others.
Will CASA ever finish the regulatory reform and make them "outcome based" and easy to understand and comply? Sadly, no.
Why is Part 45 (aircraft registrations and markings) a 'safety' regulation?
My aircraft will fly perfectly adequately without them, or even if they are the wrong style letters. Am I putting my passengers lives at risk if I have letters which are 1mm too small? Apparently so. Yes we should all have rego letters, but as an administrative regulation. It's got nothing to do with safety has it!Is CASA the only aviation body in the free world to have two completely different aircraft registration regimes: VH for some, phone numbers for others.
Will CASA ever finish the regulatory reform and make them "outcome based" and easy to understand and comply? Sadly, no.
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Questions, questions Grasshopper.
Why not go look for yourself and find out which regulatory authority enforces what?
You have problem with VH registration and amateur build registration , pour quoi?
Questions, questions Grasshopper.
Why not go look for yourself and find out which regulatory authority enforces what?
You have problem with VH registration and amateur build registration , pour quoi?
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Hilarious Thread
This is so funny.. A thread bemoaning the presence of a regulator in their midst, coming from the same group of "professionals" who will bitch, moan back-stab and grovel to fight their way to the bottom of the pay and conditions barrel!
Yeah get rid of CASA and then you will be bitching about the lack of standards of all the other (of course not your own) pilots in the industry.
I suppose it will take the pressure off all the operators you love so much. But then again who really listens to the people who post that cr@p?
Yeah get rid of CASA and then you will be bitching about the lack of standards of all the other (of course not your own) pilots in the industry.
I suppose it will take the pressure off all the operators you love so much. But then again who really listens to the people who post that cr@p?
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Oh spare me.
Yea though we walk through the valley of no sense of humor.
Sycophants with their deck chairs please exit through the large pink door marked Ostrich, find a comfy (compliant) spot and wait for the show. The industry is close to a legislative and standards crisis, and those who wallow at the food through may watch, for free, while it implodes. (No energy left for explosion).
Imagine just for minute, Bloggs and Smith prang a Dash 8, the PIC was just at minimum 'legal' standard and the other bloke was a sprog (right or wrong ,. not my fight), what the media would do to the government, the department and the poor sodding company. Change of government, fair call, loss of an operator, probably, change at CASA, not bloody likely.
The industry, and only the industry will set and maintain 'standards', not the administrator. The administrator can only legislate 'minimum' standards for compliance. (No problem with this on a stand alone basis).
But when administrative policy is used to override or circumvent the law, when a whole sectors of the industry are slowly going nuts trying to work out selective, subjective compliance and, you can just about go to jail for farting on the ramp (rightly so), then it's time to take a stand.
Lets get this in some form of perspective, between 1988 and 2003 there were 19 separate inquiries (Refer Morris – to Darling), this includes parliamentary, judicial etc. In fact it is the sheer frequency and number of inquiries, into this outfit compared to other federal government departments that must at least beg some answers to these questions.
We are a standing joke in countries like NZ and PNG. Why is there is not a queue around the block to adopt Australian systems. So, yes I believe it Is it about time that someone read this cr$%p and took it seriously, for once.
If that ruffles a few egos, so be it. Time to remove ego from ear hole, accept the facts and get this bloody mess sorted.
End of rant.
Sycophants with their deck chairs please exit through the large pink door marked Ostrich, find a comfy (compliant) spot and wait for the show. The industry is close to a legislative and standards crisis, and those who wallow at the food through may watch, for free, while it implodes. (No energy left for explosion).
Imagine just for minute, Bloggs and Smith prang a Dash 8, the PIC was just at minimum 'legal' standard and the other bloke was a sprog (right or wrong ,. not my fight), what the media would do to the government, the department and the poor sodding company. Change of government, fair call, loss of an operator, probably, change at CASA, not bloody likely.
The industry, and only the industry will set and maintain 'standards', not the administrator. The administrator can only legislate 'minimum' standards for compliance. (No problem with this on a stand alone basis).
But when administrative policy is used to override or circumvent the law, when a whole sectors of the industry are slowly going nuts trying to work out selective, subjective compliance and, you can just about go to jail for farting on the ramp (rightly so), then it's time to take a stand.
Lets get this in some form of perspective, between 1988 and 2003 there were 19 separate inquiries (Refer Morris – to Darling), this includes parliamentary, judicial etc. In fact it is the sheer frequency and number of inquiries, into this outfit compared to other federal government departments that must at least beg some answers to these questions.
We are a standing joke in countries like NZ and PNG. Why is there is not a queue around the block to adopt Australian systems. So, yes I believe it Is it about time that someone read this cr$%p and took it seriously, for once.
If that ruffles a few egos, so be it. Time to remove ego from ear hole, accept the facts and get this bloody mess sorted.
End of rant.
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I can only read what you have written, and you say that you think - and not know- obviously.
It is way past time that most of the current CASA people, especially Dubious and Worthless types, who have a skull for a mascot, should be made to take a reality check on the totally negative impact their conduct and attitude is having on the industry. Alledged "smells of alcohol"on a pilots breath some 6 months or previously gave rise to CASA lifting that pilot's medical. Why, the question is, was not the DAMP system in that operators system activated?
A request for assistance is taken as an admission of wrongdoing. And the Boss of CASA states in a Senate inquiry that the industry is not and does not hide anything from CASA.
If you believe CASA about anything at the moment, much less trust them, you are most certainly a believer on the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny!!!!!
It is way past time that most of the current CASA people, especially Dubious and Worthless types, who have a skull for a mascot, should be made to take a reality check on the totally negative impact their conduct and attitude is having on the industry. Alledged "smells of alcohol"on a pilots breath some 6 months or previously gave rise to CASA lifting that pilot's medical. Why, the question is, was not the DAMP system in that operators system activated?
A request for assistance is taken as an admission of wrongdoing. And the Boss of CASA states in a Senate inquiry that the industry is not and does not hide anything from CASA.
If you believe CASA about anything at the moment, much less trust them, you are most certainly a believer on the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny!!!!!
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An obviously antagonistic question posed to incite invective against the Regulator.
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For years DOT then CAA and more recently CASA created a regulation regime that recognises the diversity and uniqueness of Australian aviation.
Recent changes emphasise the safety regime that is the new paradigm for our business models.
Sometimes it can be unfair on an individual, but beer breathe on the Ramp is always going to attract attention, do you know for sure whether CASA stood him down or was it a requirement of the company DAMP program to ensure uncompromised safety.
Rose_Thorns
Well spare me your rhetoric, some evidence for those emotive, selfserving anecdotes about destruction of industry by the monolithic uncaring bureaucracy please.
I think Kharon doesn't understand the role of CASA, let alone can pose a decent argument.
KimWestt
For years DOT then CAA and more recently CASA created a regulation regime that recognises the diversity and uniqueness of Australian aviation.
Recent changes emphasise the safety regime that is the new paradigm for our business models.
Sometimes it can be unfair on an individual, but beer breathe on the Ramp is always going to attract attention, do you know for sure whether CASA stood him down or was it a requirement of the company DAMP program to ensure uncompromised safety.
Rose_Thorns
Well spare me your rhetoric, some evidence for those emotive, selfserving anecdotes about destruction of industry by the monolithic uncaring bureaucracy please.
Australia is truly a "special" case, but only one of its own making.
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As a remote spectator to the goings on of CASA, judging by the commentary and issues I have seen raised in these threads the simple issue is the division of power within CASA. Practically all democratic systems rely on separating the executive and legislative arms of power - but this does not seem to be the case with CASA.
It seems the aviation community would be better served by having a purely legislative and standards department, a an independent investigation and compliance department, with the ATSB maintaining its independent role (as any safety investigations could possibly look at the role compliance played in an incident). Ideally there would be a transparent dispute resolution process through the justice system (say magistrate hearings etc prior to enforcement of sanctions etc).
At least in that model you can keep the bureaucrats happy in there legislative department, you are more likely to have aviation experienced or interested people within the compliance arm actually interacting with the aviation sector. Also when unclear or contradictory legislation is in place you have a body in authority who can argue for clearer legislation, because they are the ones enforcing it.
Yeah, I know. Tell him he's dreamin'....
It seems the aviation community would be better served by having a purely legislative and standards department, a an independent investigation and compliance department, with the ATSB maintaining its independent role (as any safety investigations could possibly look at the role compliance played in an incident). Ideally there would be a transparent dispute resolution process through the justice system (say magistrate hearings etc prior to enforcement of sanctions etc).
At least in that model you can keep the bureaucrats happy in there legislative department, you are more likely to have aviation experienced or interested people within the compliance arm actually interacting with the aviation sector. Also when unclear or contradictory legislation is in place you have a body in authority who can argue for clearer legislation, because they are the ones enforcing it.
Yeah, I know. Tell him he's dreamin'....