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Weloveseaplanes, each of those names you mentioned would probably tell the author of this ad (you ?) to stick the job up their ar_se.
The more entrepreneurial names from aviation history would offer the employer a deal of their own, and wave goodbye if it got knocked back.
X
The more entrepreneurial names from aviation history would offer the employer a deal of their own, and wave goodbye if it got knocked back.
X
Maybe we should all apply for this position, and whoever gets it then phone up on the first day and say that they couldn't turn up due to:
• the cost of petrol to drive to work
• couldn't afford to buy lunch
• was offered a better gig at McDonalds
After the first three failed attempts they should get the message.
• the cost of petrol to drive to work
• couldn't afford to buy lunch
• was offered a better gig at McDonalds
After the first three failed attempts they should get the message.
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havick -
"you wouldn't be able to mooch off govt handouts that you freely admit to pocketing.. maybe a reality check is in order."
Your certainly right about the need for a reality check. Never mentioned 'mooching off.' Never mentioned 'pocketing.'
It was mum who received the governmental assistance for my education after the death of my father who was an aviator in the true meaning of the word. It helped our family a lot. Mum was flat out with volunteer work herself helping others less fortunate. I've since been able to make it by myself and when the flying jobs couldn't pay enough would simply get other jobs. Never forgotten how important it is to volunteer either.
A bit of hard work never hurt anyone as much as listening to groups of people complain about how unfair and underpaid being a flyer is.
Great to hear that you're on 6 figures. The world sure can do with your generosity. Should you again be in the position to negotiate for higher pay, perhaps you and your employer could set up a joint charity fund to help others struggling in your community?
"you wouldn't be able to mooch off govt handouts that you freely admit to pocketing.. maybe a reality check is in order."
Your certainly right about the need for a reality check. Never mentioned 'mooching off.' Never mentioned 'pocketing.'
It was mum who received the governmental assistance for my education after the death of my father who was an aviator in the true meaning of the word. It helped our family a lot. Mum was flat out with volunteer work herself helping others less fortunate. I've since been able to make it by myself and when the flying jobs couldn't pay enough would simply get other jobs. Never forgotten how important it is to volunteer either.
A bit of hard work never hurt anyone as much as listening to groups of people complain about how unfair and underpaid being a flyer is.
Great to hear that you're on 6 figures. The world sure can do with your generosity. Should you again be in the position to negotiate for higher pay, perhaps you and your employer could set up a joint charity fund to help others struggling in your community?
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Now I shouldn't bother but...
People who bring children into this world under those circumstances should be committed. Why would you put children through that?
How can I enjoy the former if I cant survive without the latter?
Read above.
No. Physics and an eduction. (or should we praise the lord for the mystical marvel of this gravity defying act?)
I'm sure they'd be appalled of other young aviators being exploited after they worked so hard to develop the industry into what it was.
At $99 a seat to Sydney its hardly unique 
Taking them away from those who cant afford to look after them? Perhaps those who choose to take hand outs so they can pursue a hobby over meeting their life commitments?
I followed my dream attained all my goals and now thinking about a family realise that in order to provide for them I need to get paid something more tangible than fluffy feelings.
Or should I apologise for expecting to be paid for the service I provide?
"Dreams and stars in your eyes wont put your kids through school."
Family love and governmental assistance will. Worked for mine.
Family love and governmental assistance will. Worked for mine.
. . . "cheapening my career choice."
No need to thank me,I'm not cheapening it at all, am on the contray trying to move away from this obession people have on PPRUNE to complain about pay all the time. You're cheapening it if the value you derive from flying is financial.
No need to thank me,I'm not cheapening it at all, am on the contray trying to move away from this obession people have on PPRUNE to complain about pay all the time. You're cheapening it if the value you derive from flying is financial.
. . . "I don't deserve a brass razoo."
Never said that.
Never said that.
. . . "I'm so lucky that I get to FLY"
Yup. Surely you can feel it?
Yup. Surely you can feel it?
. . . "that's what you're saying isn't it?"
Nope. Am saying 'wonder what (insert list of famous aviators)would think of all this (=your) negativity.'
Nope. Am saying 'wonder what (insert list of famous aviators)would think of all this (=your) negativity.'
. . . "Why should someone expect to be paid for what others see as lofty amazingly unique experience."
I hope each time you arise and alight you too see it as a lofty amazingly unique experience ~ it'll help you, and those you meet, feel better.
I hope each time you arise and alight you too see it as a lofty amazingly unique experience ~ it'll help you, and those you meet, feel better.
. . . "What about Brad Pitt?"
Think he's great for adopting so many children from third world countries and donating so much money to children's charities.
Think he's great for adopting so many children from third world countries and donating so much money to children's charities.
Have you considered discussing with your family your childhood dream of becoming an actor, (drama did you say?), and perhaps giving it a go, after all God give us only two things - life and the will to follow our dream.
Or should I apologise for expecting to be paid for the service I provide?
Ill pretend its not a wind-up.
weloveseaplanes, your attitude is disgusting. Flying is a job. Its a fun job, but at the end of the day I want a return on my training investment. That was real money and I didn't spend it for nothing. I certainly didn't spend it for an employer to tell me that I owed him for the privilege of working for nothing. That my return is the love of flying or some such bull****.
For an employer to think that somehow his employees 'owe' him for the 'privilege' of working is shameful.
If your business is unable to operate whilst paying your employees a proper wage, then its not a viable business and it shouldn't exist. 'Serving your time' is just bull**** made up by dodgy owners to try to create a culture of acceptance amongst pilots of below award conditions.
Some of them have been playing this card so long they have actually started to believe it. You sound like one of them.
weloveseaplanes, your attitude is disgusting. Flying is a job. Its a fun job, but at the end of the day I want a return on my training investment. That was real money and I didn't spend it for nothing. I certainly didn't spend it for an employer to tell me that I owed him for the privilege of working for nothing. That my return is the love of flying or some such bull****.
For an employer to think that somehow his employees 'owe' him for the 'privilege' of working is shameful.
If your business is unable to operate whilst paying your employees a proper wage, then its not a viable business and it shouldn't exist. 'Serving your time' is just bull**** made up by dodgy owners to try to create a culture of acceptance amongst pilots of below award conditions.
Some of them have been playing this card so long they have actually started to believe it. You sound like one of them.
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"Actually, I think a new sports car or another investment property is on the cards.."
Yeah I think you're probably right there. A new sports car or another investment property sounds much more likely. Enjoy :-)
Yeah I think you're probably right there. A new sports car or another investment property sounds much more likely. Enjoy :-)
weloveseaplanes,
This one's for you, it reminds me of you:
http://www.etoolsnow.com/images/cust...T%20WRENCH.jpg
A GI-NORMOUS TOOL!
Furthermore...nah, it's not worth it. Someone with as warped a mind as yours will never see sense, have fun slipping the surly bonds and living on food stamps.
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This one's for you, it reminds me of you:
http://www.etoolsnow.com/images/cust...T%20WRENCH.jpg
A GI-NORMOUS TOOL!
Furthermore...nah, it's not worth it. Someone with as warped a mind as yours will never see sense, have fun slipping the surly bonds and living on food stamps.
j3
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Dear Super Soldier das Uber Soldat -
"weloveseaplanes, your attitude is disgusting"
Well don't hold back there my man. Give it to me straight.
"Flying is a job."
Nope flying is what birds, angels and aviators do. Piloting is a job.
". . . an employer to tell me that I owed him for the privilege of working for nothing."
Your twisting my question and running off into your own forest of fears about evil employers. You obviously missed the question the first time round. Your welcome to look back up at post 18 for yourself. Read the question dude. (The question is the sentence that ends in one of these '?' )
Now The Wawa Zone, although mistakingly hinting that I might have placed the ad was able to answer the question with an answer I didn't agree with "each of those names you mentioned would probably tell the author of this ad (you ?) to stick the job up their ar_se."
Perhaps he's a good role model for you?
I'm sure you can afford a chill pill and now's as good a time to take one as any.
Relax and enjoy the beauty of flight. Man has dreamed of it for millennia and you and I can achieve it.
Is it so hard to believe that some of us pilots so love flying?
"weloveseaplanes, your attitude is disgusting"
Well don't hold back there my man. Give it to me straight.
"Flying is a job."
Nope flying is what birds, angels and aviators do. Piloting is a job.
". . . an employer to tell me that I owed him for the privilege of working for nothing."
Your twisting my question and running off into your own forest of fears about evil employers. You obviously missed the question the first time round. Your welcome to look back up at post 18 for yourself. Read the question dude. (The question is the sentence that ends in one of these '?' )
Now The Wawa Zone, although mistakingly hinting that I might have placed the ad was able to answer the question with an answer I didn't agree with "each of those names you mentioned would probably tell the author of this ad (you ?) to stick the job up their ar_se."
Perhaps he's a good role model for you?
I'm sure you can afford a chill pill and now's as good a time to take one as any.
Relax and enjoy the beauty of flight. Man has dreamed of it for millennia and you and I can achieve it.
Is it so hard to believe that some of us pilots so love flying?
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Green Goblin -
"You sound like a MAF Pilot WLSP"
That's the nicest thing anyone's said to me on this post - thanks!
If there was a MAF pilot for every airline pilot the world would be a much nicer place.
If flyers dreamed of how they could use aviation to help the less fortunate rather than how they can use it to help themselves . . .
"You sound like a MAF Pilot WLSP"
That's the nicest thing anyone's said to me on this post - thanks!
If there was a MAF pilot for every airline pilot the world would be a much nicer place.
If flyers dreamed of how they could use aviation to help the less fortunate rather than how they can use it to help themselves . . .
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If there was a MAF pilot for every airline pilot the world would be a much nicer place.
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The reason I began this post was to highlight just how acceptable it is for employers to now ADVERTISE without remorse just how far they expect you to drop your trousers.
The hope was to get some unity happening amongst us so that maybe, one day, we will ALL stand up and say no to this bs. Together United we won't be defeated but can't see everyone on the same page and this is why this **** continues.
It is the likes of "weloveflyingseaplanesondrugs" that will always give employers the opportunity to cry poor and offer peasant wages because of some accepted notion that all we want to do is live the dream and fly their aircraft for nothing. It is the dream that got us here seaplaneman, hard to continue the dream on fresh air. Please pm me with your drug supplier so I can get onto the same page as you.
As for the family seaplane man, all is good. The centrelink check just arrived at home so the Mrs can get some food for the kids. I am doing ok aswell, especially knowing you are there to give me a hug, smack me on the arse and remind me how lucky I am to be in sky living the dream.
The hope was to get some unity happening amongst us so that maybe, one day, we will ALL stand up and say no to this bs. Together United we won't be defeated but can't see everyone on the same page and this is why this **** continues.
It is the likes of "weloveflyingseaplanesondrugs" that will always give employers the opportunity to cry poor and offer peasant wages because of some accepted notion that all we want to do is live the dream and fly their aircraft for nothing. It is the dream that got us here seaplaneman, hard to continue the dream on fresh air. Please pm me with your drug supplier so I can get onto the same page as you.
As for the family seaplane man, all is good. The centrelink check just arrived at home so the Mrs can get some food for the kids. I am doing ok aswell, especially knowing you are there to give me a hug, smack me on the arse and remind me how lucky I am to be in sky living the dream.
Weloveseaplanes
Pilots aren't allowed to do drugs. Obviously there are different rules for aviators.
Buddha, God, Allah, Perseus or whoever must all be very displeased.
Off to poke my head in the clouds, much like yours.
Pilots aren't allowed to do drugs. Obviously there are different rules for aviators.
Buddha, God, Allah, Perseus or whoever must all be very displeased.
Off to poke my head in the clouds, much like yours.
Green Goblin -
"You sound like a MAF Pilot WLSP"
That's the nicest thing anyone's said to me on this post - thanks!
If there was a MAF pilot for every airline pilot the world would be a much nicer place.
If flyers dreamed of how they could use aviation to help the less fortunate rather than how they can use it to help themselves . . .
"You sound like a MAF Pilot WLSP"
That's the nicest thing anyone's said to me on this post - thanks!
If there was a MAF pilot for every airline pilot the world would be a much nicer place.
If flyers dreamed of how they could use aviation to help the less fortunate rather than how they can use it to help themselves . . .
MAF join cross wind as Metro joins 5 mile final with a call asking them to extend downwind to facilitate, Metro calls three mile final, MAF calls turning final and have right of way, Metro goes round.........
All Australian Airlines Australia/NZ/Singapore/Vietnam/South Pacific/Antartica/Afghanistan bases
Casual Line Pilot
The candidate MUST have experience or natural ability in Sales, aircraft cleaning(internal and external), baggage handling, engineering, IT, Accounting and customer service
Remuneration is Incentive driven - flight 100% full, every single flight for the week in your region u get paid a generous retainer of the % of beers sold onboard sold before 8am on Monday mornings.
Must be available immediately.
Must be prepared for training/ICUS - discounted endorsements available at $100,000, multiple endorsements required, 2% discount available on 2nd Endorsement.
Training will be at the cost of the candidate.
Must be willing to relocate to all the above bases, up to twice a year at your own expense.
Must have a genuine love of aviating, being a pilot and picking up ladies in the bar in your uniform(available at own expense)
1 year contract terms - renewal available for $5000 annually
Holidays available subject to business needs - generous no work no pay scheme.
Payroll deductions available for, ASIC cards, carparking, taxis, overnight hotels,uniforms, meals, water, toilet usage.
Before too long the love of 'aviating' will bring us to this !! weloveseaplanes will be there with bells on ! You 'currently' get paid to 'aviate' - what a world !
Casual Line Pilot
The candidate MUST have experience or natural ability in Sales, aircraft cleaning(internal and external), baggage handling, engineering, IT, Accounting and customer service
Remuneration is Incentive driven - flight 100% full, every single flight for the week in your region u get paid a generous retainer of the % of beers sold onboard sold before 8am on Monday mornings.
Must be available immediately.
Must be prepared for training/ICUS - discounted endorsements available at $100,000, multiple endorsements required, 2% discount available on 2nd Endorsement.
Training will be at the cost of the candidate.
Must be willing to relocate to all the above bases, up to twice a year at your own expense.
Must have a genuine love of aviating, being a pilot and picking up ladies in the bar in your uniform(available at own expense)
1 year contract terms - renewal available for $5000 annually
Holidays available subject to business needs - generous no work no pay scheme.
Payroll deductions available for, ASIC cards, carparking, taxis, overnight hotels,uniforms, meals, water, toilet usage.
Before too long the love of 'aviating' will bring us to this !! weloveseaplanes will be there with bells on ! You 'currently' get paid to 'aviate' - what a world !
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Piety is for popes and paedophiles
WLSP,
I really dont want to go at you arguing quote for quote because you appear to have mistaken yourself for the Dalai Lama. You also seem to have stirred up some strong emotions from a number of otherwise well balanced, reasonable posters.Perhaps it is because you are less the Dalai Lama but more a saccharine spouting, sanctimonious fool living in a dream world where people work for free and are grateful for the priviledge and you may call them optimists.
I really dont want to go at you arguing quote for quote because you appear to have mistaken yourself for the Dalai Lama. You also seem to have stirred up some strong emotions from a number of otherwise well balanced, reasonable posters.Perhaps it is because you are less the Dalai Lama but more a saccharine spouting, sanctimonious fool living in a dream world where people work for free and are grateful for the priviledge and you may call them optimists.