Around the World Flight

[j3pipercub]

Crackanuthar.

How did you know my chair was warm? Are you subscibing to that website...people will talk...

What I am suggesting is that instead of spending the thousands of litres of gas, donate it to the charities you were raising the funds for. But I'm guessing that if you know them well, you couldn't look at the topic all that subjectively anyway.

And I would never attempt anything like this, hence my post. I was not criticising the effort involved, just the motivation.

Fwoar, handflying eh, track = bearing on the GPS and she'll be right. Not like they're taking starshots...

j3

[studentPILOT1]

around the world

oh , it woud be a very very good flight around the world and i can do it with small airplane but alot of stops i had to do along the way to put fuel inside the aircraft .

[Thomo91]

Good on em I say - anything anyone does to raise "Awareness" as well as a few funds for it are doing a great job.

J3: As for spending money on Avgas vs funds direct... you have to do something to get something - funnily enough. First the flight is creating awareness, not only via some media (hopefully they'll get some sometime) but also at the places they stop, meet up with people etc etc... Not sure if you've ever done any fund raising operations before, but people like to see "something" or have an "incentive" to give. You just hope you end up with a positive amount of some description.

[HarleyD]

Differences between two evets I mentioned:

One is to to raise awareness and funds to fight the increasing numbers of people who die form or are affected by Malaria, this is in the millions. It will be a circumnavigation, and will not be quite so simple and easy as many here are very vocally stating. if it was so easy ther would be far more earth rounders in the books.

The other is to seek publicity and celebrity in order to attain personal fame and wealth for themslves and the crowds of managers and hangers on. I do not belittle the actual effort that she has had to put in or the skill and strength of character that she possesses, but hey, if that wasn't so stage managed for effect I will go he.

One TV commentator insisted that "even though some so-called experts say it is not an actual circumnavigation or a record, everyone here knows in their heart that she is the first teenager to sail solo around the world" , or very similar vomit inducing drivel.

Yes, it was a very cheap and throw away line in my early post that referred so casually to what has subsequently been promoted as 'the worlds first solo circumnavigation by a teenager' - completely wrong of course, ask the other Jessie, but hey, don't let the facts get in the way of a good multi hour TV event.

Good on her, she done good, but hey, these guys will do a lot more good for a lot more people and without quite so much hyperbole.

Aplogies Jessica, you are a fine young person, and congratulations on your achievement, but Tim and Ken are equally deserving of accolades and for a far more altruistic purpose. (maybe not so young and 'perky' but still in there having a go).

I am taken aback that many here believe that theirs is a simple undertaking and that finding the next maccas is the hardest part of the trip. Ken works fior the Vic ag department as a meat works inspector I believe so he wouldn't go within a hundred miles of one I suspect. A trip like this takes months, possibly years, of planning and effort, and they are not home yet!

I am sure that there are many who 'almost' flew a 210 from somewhere to some where else, but that is all so much wind, get out there and do it, like Jessica did and these blokes are doing. Good on em all. adventure is not dead, neither is is reserved for Dick Smith and a movie crew.

HD

[Brian Abraham]

Thanks for the explanation of what constitutes a Round the World Flight. Are you able to come up with a similar criteria for an Around Australia flight such as the Jabiru flight mentioned by Captain Nomad?

I'm afraid not, but the historian in me found the following.

Ray Parer was the first to attempt an around Australia flight. He set out from Melbourne on 7 October 1921 in a Royal Aircraft Factory F.E.2b, G-AUCX. He got as far as Boulder, Western Australia, where he finished up in Kalgoorlie hospital with his cousin Mark Parer, after crashing on take off on 7 February 1922.

The first people to fly around Australia, Wing-Commander Goble and Flight Lieutenant MacIntyre, managed it in 43 days in 1924. Two years later, Colonel H C Brinsmead and Captain E J Jones did it in half the time.

In 1927, with co-pilot Charles Ulm, Smithy circumnavigated Australia in 10 days and 5½ hours.

Lores Bonney was the first woman to fly round Australia in 1932.

Jimmy Melrose flew a DH Puss Moth, in August 1934, 8000 miles (12,875 km) solo around Australia, reducing the previous record by almost two days, to 5 days, 10 hours, 57 minutes.

All the distances mentioned fall in the range of 7 to 8,000 miles.

For a definitive answer you would be best to contact the Fédération Aéronautique Internationale (FAI) at Contacting the FAI | Fédération Aéronautique Internationale - FAI

The FAI regulations governing records can be found at http://www.fai.org/general_aviation/.../sc02_2010.pdf

A trip like this takes months, possibly years, of planning and effort, and they are not home yet!

Too true. Two good friends, Trevor Brougham and Bob Dickeson (misreported on many records as Dixon) flew a Baron 55 around the world in 1971, setting a world record. The start point was Darwin and not long after departure they lost all their nav gear save for one ADF. Mulling over the problem to hand they decided that having spent 18 months planning the flight, with all the expense and organisation involved thus far, they would take a punt. 5 Days 5 Hours and 57 Minutes later they were back in Darwin. Fortune does smile on the brave. just not all the time though

[frigatebird]

Brian
That Baron must have been before Dennis Dalton and Terry Gwynne-Jones went around in a Duke in record time. Good to see the Beechcraft Duke still on view in the Queensland Museum last time I looked.

[Wally Mk2]

now............ now careful there '"OS" one can get into trouble listening too the 1900 numbers live
Anyone have any updates on these 2 guys? I can't follow their path as when I open the tracking link it stops my computer dead in it's tracks!

Wmk2

[FRQ Charlie Bravo]

I am sure that there are many who 'almost' flew a 210 from somewhere to some where else, but that is all so much wind, get out there and do it

Eventually. The deal fell through when the economy tanked so I'll have to find or create another opportunity. (And if you're going to use quotation marks then actually quote... it's a minor point but I didn't write 'almost'.)

The other is to seek publicity and celebrity in order to attain personal fame and wealth for themslves and the crowds of managers and hangers on. I do not belittle the actual effort that she has had to put in or the skill and strength of character that she possesses, but hey, if that wasn't so stage managed for effect I will go he.

No more than looking for an Olympic medal.

Anyway, that's enough. The last-word contest is over you can have it,

FRQ CB - Out

[Seagull V]

Brian Abraham - Thanks for the historic info. You really are an historian. Is an Around Australia flight one that covers the extremities (Cape Byron, Cape York et al) or is it one that just covers all the coastal Capital cities? I will check with FAI as you advise.

There was a time when you could buy a ticket (lots of tickets actually) to fly around Aus on 3rd level (commuter) airlines if you were of a mind to do that.

Wally MK2 - Looks like they got airborne around 4 pm Australian Eastern Standard time today or 8 pm yesterday in Hawaii. (The Americans need never worry about the future because it is always tomorrow in Oz.)

They seem to be going quite slowly. A ferry pilot once told me that if you get head winds at the starting end you will get tailwinds at the destination end and visa versa. I hope he is right tonight.

[Brian Abraham]

frigatebird, you're correct, Terry and Denis made their flight four years later and beat Trevors record by four hours.

[Thomo91]

The other is to seek publicity and celebrity in order to attain personal fame and wealth for themslves and the crowds of managers and hangers on.

Just got to remember she Didn't seek publicity - we gave it to her, and thank goodness we did - She IS something Australia should be proud of.

I'm sure she wouldn't mind me saying this - She is no Hero (to others) because it was her own dream, these guys are doing it so others May have their dreams come true. She did her trip for herself, these guys are doing it for others. (and I say that in the nicest way I can)

[Seagull V]

The MAM Airvan landed at Mojave CA at about 10.30 am Australian EST. An 18.5 hour flight. Well done chaps.

[Seagull V]

I see that the MAM Round the World flight has made it to Kingston Jamaica after some adventures crossing the USA. Next stop Brigetown Barbados. The tracker was on the fritz over the weekend but came good this morning for the New Orleans - Kingston leg.

[Seagull V]

I see that the Round the World guys have made it to Natal in Brazil. Apparently they lobbed into Jamacia in the middle of a "State of Emergency" due to some political unrest in that country.
In terms of degrees of Longitude crossed Natal is close to half way round from Bendigo. In terms of distance for their chosen route the next stop in Accra in Gahana is halfway. The next leg is 2200 odd nms - A long way and a long time to sit in a lighty.

[Wally Mk2]

Wow that's gunna be well over 2Mill times the engine crank will rotate non stop (hopefully)!!!
Fantastic their adventure, just glad it's not me doin' it!
Anyone got any specs on the bird? I know it's Turbo'ed


Wmk2

[FRQ Charlie Bravo]

Wally,

That's a crazy way of thinking about that. Bloody awesome yet simple perspective.

I'm going to go double check my engine's oil quantity now and maybe check that the prop received a duplicated inspection and signature the last time it was put back on (two million cranks, that's scary).

FRQ CB

[Jarvo]

The boys have a 320HP Lycoming TIO-540 hanging from the front.
I believe that sitting behind the boys at T/O is about 1000 litres of fuel & another 334 litres in the wings, which gives plenty of endurance, I hope they have extra seat cushions!

[Seagull V]

Wally Mark II - You can find full specs of the Airvan at Gippsland Aeronautics

Atlantic Africa Weather - For those with a meteorological bent take a look at the satellite view at Africa, Eastern Atlantic Ocean and Europe Full Disk Infrared Animated Satellite Loop
Very interesting. Ghana does not look at all attractive.
No wonder the tracker IndigoSat? Aircraft Satellite Tracking shows no movement today.

[cogwheel]

They are on their way again as of 02/0700Z

[Seagull V]

The MAM flight seems to have landed at Ascension Island in mid Atlantic.
That's a man size diversion if ever there was one.

I wonder how much grief this will cause them. I seem to remember that Jon Johansen "diverted" in there on one of his three circumnavigations and received a very hostile reception. Seems it's British Territory but the USAF and the RAF jointly run the Wideawake Airfield.
Wikipedia says
"In 2003 the UK and US governments signed the Wideawake agreement designed to allow a limited amount of non-scheduled civilian aircraft to land on Ascension Island. Operators require prior permission to use Wideawake and should apply at least three weeks in advance"

I also wonder what possibilities this opens up regarding their route across Africa. The west coast of Africa, with what looks like better weather, is now within their range.

Late News - All is explained on the MAM website:
No, we are not lost! :-)

Thu, 03 Jun 2010

Now, if you are watching the IndigoSat track on Google Earth and wondering if we have eaten perhaps a little too much tuna and vegemite . . . no, we did not have an emergency change of direction. There has been severe weather all along the equator and trying to cross the Atlantic to Ghana was simply impossible. We were hoping to wait out the storms in Brazil, and then head over, but it became evident that the thunderstorms were not moving. We elected to look at other possible routes into Africa, and so, due to the influential Dr Roger Paskin (learned and distinguished epidemiologist with DPI), we have decided to enter Africa through Namibia. This involves more hours in the air, but it is a much safer route than going into Ghana as planned.

We plan on arriving in Ondangwa, Namibia on Friday morning (local time) - 4 June 2010. From Ondangwa, we will head up to Uganda on Saturday and resume the planned flight route.