YSBK First solo flight ends in crash landing
does anyone know the flying school
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well my school has a heap of them, thats why i think its them, plus with the training i have so far i get the impression they might send you up even when your not ready
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I may be opening up a can of worms here....but care factor -10. I have sent thousands solo over the many years and never had a single mishap. Not luck....luck has nothing to do with it, it is good solid training, which covered every possible scenario. A lot of our training went far beyond the day VFR syllabus and we were often ostracised (sic) by the regulator for "overtraining" but we never lost an aircraft or pilot. Hours to solo were never a consideration, it was on ability, skill and absorbtion of knowledge. When the candidate was ready for solo.....he or she knew it in themselves. When you've tried every emergency, bounce, porpoise, go around, engine failure in every part of the circuit ... and you're just sitting there observing the student correct every mishap and fly copybook c/l time after time.....its time to hop out and give him/her their one lap on their own. I put the incident in this thread down to poor instruction. Old fashioned....you betcha but I'm still alive (13500hrs) and so is every single one of my students. OFF THE SOAPBOX.
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Hey Chookboy, check your PM.
I don't think anyone should be going solo without at least 10 hours, its one thing to spend time to show a student how to do it, its another for the student to spend time and being able to safely land a plane.
I don't think anyone should be going solo without at least 10 hours, its one thing to spend time to show a student how to do it, its another for the student to spend time and being able to safely land a plane.
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Someone correct me if im wrong and if i am i do apologize but when i phoned atis at around 11-midday it was indicating a swinging wind at 10 gusting 20 knots.. Surely not conducive to a first solo even if mostly down the runway? bit to handle for a first solo student from my flight training experience from a few years back anyways.
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I did my first solo at 8 hours and never had a mishap.
Anyway I've looked through the archives at liveATC and couldn't hear anything. let us know if anyone else has success
Edit: I did however have a dedicated and experienced instructor who knew his ****. I've been through a few of the late flying schools and notice that the majority of the instructors are only there because they want to get hours up not because they want to teach. I think that's the problem going on.
Anyway I've looked through the archives at liveATC and couldn't hear anything. let us know if anyone else has success
Edit: I did however have a dedicated and experienced instructor who knew his ****. I've been through a few of the late flying schools and notice that the majority of the instructors are only there because they want to get hours up not because they want to teach. I think that's the problem going on.
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Hours to solo were never a consideration,
Of course if the student was hopeless that is another story and in that case the scrub test would sort him out one way or another. But by hanging on to the student so he can be taught all sorts of nice to know things rather than need to know before things before first solo, is being unfair to your student and an unnecessary financial burden to him. It is command time that will build his confidence - not hours and hours of dual.
There are operators (instructors) in flying schools that think the more dual a student has the better he will be. For that reason they deliberately delay a students first solo for 15-30 hours or more because of perceived "safety".
In reality it is a blatant rip-off. There are new grade 3 instructors who either do not have the confidence to put their student for a CFI check for first solo or worse still want to squeeze a few more bucks out of the student dual and hang on to the poor bastard for as long as possible.
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This Poor bugger! I really do feel bad - and i hope he does jump back on the horse -
On another note why are we all feeling so bad???? - HASNT THIS KID JUST SATISFIED THE DIRECT ENTRY REQUIRMENT FOR QANTAS???
On another note why are we all feeling so bad???? - HASNT THIS KID JUST SATISFIED THE DIRECT ENTRY REQUIRMENT FOR QANTAS???
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Yes it is a good thing I wasn't instructing in the RAAF in your time. All my instructional hours were done in the real world not sheltered workshops. The first moron that bashed me on the back of my helmet to advise that i was scrubbed would've ended up with two black eyes. There are times when you must be upfront and explain to the student that perhaps flying an aircraft is not for him/her and they are wasting their money. You can always tell the ex RAAF boffins who were used to flying state of the art machinery, all at tax payers expense, in contrast to struggle street in GA. Robots v People. It was not a matter of hanging the student up there to make an extra buck, at times I GAVE hours to them to overcome handling difficulties....at my expense, not taxpayers!! There was never a grey area with the RAAF, like all boffins it was black or white........no flexibility. The ex RAAF self confessed top gun FOI who insists you go to the minimums and not hold 50' above for "turbulence", and then pulls an engine so you dip below the minimum for a split second and fails you. However when you ask him to do the same excercise to see how he would go, but he knows whats going to happen, states " Oh I couldn't do it either" don't worry you'll get it next time. All ther time flying a fuel guzzling twin which costs you your weekly hard earned wage to hire. I have no time for some ex RAAF cowboys who place themselves on a pedestal, who would not and have not survived in the REAL world.
Yes it is a good thing I wasn't instructing in the RAAF in your time. All my instructional hours were done in the real world not sheltered workshops. The first moron that bashed me on the back of my helmet to advise that i was scrubbed would've ended up with two black eyes. There are times when you must be upfront and explain to the student that perhaps flying an aircraft is not for him/her and they are wasting their money. You can always tell the ex RAAF boffins who were used to flying state of the art machinery, all at tax payers expense, in contrast to struggle street in GA. Robots v People. It was not a matter of hanging the student up there to make an extra buck, at times I GAVE hours to them to overcome handling difficulties....at my expense, not taxpayers!! There was never a grey area with the RAAF, like all boffins it was black or white........no flexibility. The ex RAAF self confessed top gun FOI who insists you go to the minimums and not hold 50' above for "turbulence", and then pulls an engine so you dip below the minimum for a split second and fails you. However when you ask him to do the same excercise to see how he would go, but he knows whats going to happen, states " Oh I couldn't do it either" don't worry you'll get it next time. All ther time flying a fuel guzzling twin which costs you your weekly hard earned wage to hire. I have no time for some ex RAAF cowboys who place themselves on a pedestal, who would not and have not survived in the REAL world.
A37575,
There are also ex RAAF pilots who are HUGE TOOLS. They prance about thinking that civvie street should be just like the RAAF and that they are Gods gift to aviation.
Now that I've generalised just like you...care to edit or retract some of that post.
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There are also ex RAAF pilots who are HUGE TOOLS. They prance about thinking that civvie street should be just like the RAAF and that they are Gods gift to aviation.
Now that I've generalised just like you...care to edit or retract some of that post.
j3
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Hmmm funny that, the same species of tool also infest the RAF and the RNZAF... normally identified by their propensity for wearing their forces-issue leather flying gloves everywhere. Clowns...
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off topic I know...but
I remember a TOOL of the highest order, an ex RAAF scrubbed at 1FTS that would fly an Auster with his bone dome and leather gloves whilst towing gliders for the local cadets....
He would strut around in his flying suit and mirror glasses pontificating his greatness to one and all.
I feel the need......
the need to throw up!
or to quote from the movie Red Dawn...
I'm an Auster driver!
He would strut around in his flying suit and mirror glasses pontificating his greatness to one and all.
I feel the need......
the need to throw up!
or to quote from the movie Red Dawn...
I'm an Auster driver!
Good job you weren't instructing in the RAAF in my time. You would soon be up in front of the Commanding Officer explaining why you didn't have the confidence or ability to send a student on the first solo within 12 hours max.
Of course if the student was hopeless that is another story and in that case the scrub test would sort him out one way or another. But by hanging on to the student so he can be taught all sorts of nice to know things rather than need to know before things before first solo, is being unfair to your student and an unnecessary financial burden to him. It is command time that will build his confidence - not hours and hours of dual.
There are operators (instructors) in flying schools that think the more dual a student has the better he will be. For that reason they deliberately delay a students first solo for 15-30 hours or more because of perceived "safety".
In reality it is a blatant rip-off. There are new grade 3 instructors who either do not have the confidence to put their student for a CFI check for first solo or worse still want to squeeze a few more bucks out of the student dual and hang on to the poor bastard for as long as possible.
Of course if the student was hopeless that is another story and in that case the scrub test would sort him out one way or another. But by hanging on to the student so he can be taught all sorts of nice to know things rather than need to know before things before first solo, is being unfair to your student and an unnecessary financial burden to him. It is command time that will build his confidence - not hours and hours of dual.
There are operators (instructors) in flying schools that think the more dual a student has the better he will be. For that reason they deliberately delay a students first solo for 15-30 hours or more because of perceived "safety".
In reality it is a blatant rip-off. There are new grade 3 instructors who either do not have the confidence to put their student for a CFI check for first solo or worse still want to squeeze a few more bucks out of the student dual and hang on to the poor bastard for as long as possible.
E actly the reason ex or current RAAF shouldn't be involved in civil aviation.
Firstly, the average civil flying school doesn't have the option of chosing only 17yr old pimply faced kids that have gone through days of aptitude tests.
The average flying school cannot(if they want to stay in business) show students the door if they don't come up to standard in set minimum times.
Flying schools would not survive if their safety record was that of the RAAF.
Flying schools do not have their own 10,000ft runways with no or little traffic. They have little in the way of distractions whilst doing their early training, and thats after hours of briefings.
It would be easy to go on and on about the differences but I know it will fall on deaf ears when it comes to our ex mitary friends.
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There are operators (instructors) in flying schools that think the more dual a student has the better he will be. For that reason they deliberately delay a students first solo for 15-30 hours or more because of perceived "safety".
In reality it is a blatant rip-off. There are new grade 3 instructors who either do not have the confidence to put their student for a CFI check for first solo or worse still want to squeeze a few more bucks out of the student dual and hang on to the poor bastard for as long as possible.
In reality it is a blatant rip-off. There are new grade 3 instructors who either do not have the confidence to put their student for a CFI check for first solo or worse still want to squeeze a few more bucks out of the student dual and hang on to the poor bastard for as long as possible.
Unfortunatly I was one of these kids back when I first started. I was one of the lucky ones that realised I was perpetually funding greedy old bastard owner/CFI's retirement and left for a better school. Others didn't and their careers were destroyed before they started.