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So, looking at minutes 26 to 30, what is the explanation for hugely elevated levels of aluminium and barium in the soil, water and air, California in this example?
Are you genuinely convinced that this is all a conspiracy by a few individuals to sell books and DVDs?
You say it's fiction and has no merit. Please qualify that. Did you watch it? There is a 15 minute condensed version of the "documentary" available.
I know there is a lot of disinformation online....
I would have thought that pilots, particularly people with more than 10 years experience would be in a unique position to know if there have been any changes in the appearance of (some) trails in the sky over their careers and if there is any merit to the allegation that the military are flying intensively and routinely to seed the sky in NATO countries. Surely civilian pilots would notice.
Are you genuinely convinced that this is all a conspiracy by a few individuals to sell books and DVDs?
You say it's fiction and has no merit. Please qualify that. Did you watch it? There is a 15 minute condensed version of the "documentary" available.
I know there is a lot of disinformation online....
I would have thought that pilots, particularly people with more than 10 years experience would be in a unique position to know if there have been any changes in the appearance of (some) trails in the sky over their careers and if there is any merit to the allegation that the military are flying intensively and routinely to seed the sky in NATO countries. Surely civilian pilots would notice.
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The premiss of all chemtrail arguments and delivery concepts are impossible. End of story. There is literally nothing more to explain.
As for whether contrails have changed, take a look at WWII dog fight footage and photos. If a piston engine can condense moisture into a contrail that lasts for minutes to hours then a high bypass jet sure as hell can condense enough to do the same.
Rather than looking at pseudo science why don't you first look at the real science and hard and fast rules of aviation, meteorology and physics then see if you can find any possible way for there to be any kind of truth behind it.
As for whether contrails have changed, take a look at WWII dog fight footage and photos. If a piston engine can condense moisture into a contrail that lasts for minutes to hours then a high bypass jet sure as hell can condense enough to do the same.
Rather than looking at pseudo science why don't you first look at the real science and hard and fast rules of aviation, meteorology and physics then see if you can find any possible way for there to be any kind of truth behind it.
Its all of that 'di-hydrogen monoxide' that causes all of the problems.
Its very toxic - breathe too much of it 'in', and you'll probably pass out within a little over 2.5 minutes or so......
KEEP CLEAR!!
Cheers
Its very toxic - breathe too much of it 'in', and you'll probably pass out within a little over 2.5 minutes or so......
KEEP CLEAR!!
Cheers
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Alex, you have come to the wrong place because the people on this forum possess qualifications and experience that no Chemtrail believer has; experience in high altitude flight operations and meteorology.
If they had those two particular qualifications, they wouldn't believe in this BS. Period.
This "mockumentary" and it's almost identical predecessor, its author and the bunch of witless drones who believe in this are covered by Mick West and his Metabunk.org website. He also covers the the increasing amount of threats the disciples are beginning to make against the people on this forum.
Maybe you should read there first; the chemtrail debunking forum is consistently the highest visited part of that website.
If they had those two particular qualifications, they wouldn't believe in this BS. Period.
This "mockumentary" and it's almost identical predecessor, its author and the bunch of witless drones who believe in this are covered by Mick West and his Metabunk.org website. He also covers the the increasing amount of threats the disciples are beginning to make against the people on this forum.
Maybe you should read there first; the chemtrail debunking forum is consistently the highest visited part of that website.
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Alex,
For starters if an additive is going into fuel the engine and aircraft manufacturer will need to approve it for maintenance purposes for starters, as would the regulator in each country so you cannot hide that sort thing. In addition jet fuel is partly refined in Australia (Syd, see link https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...AInFfT04QBk6fg)
So is Caltex involved in this as well. omg, why bother!!
For starters if an additive is going into fuel the engine and aircraft manufacturer will need to approve it for maintenance purposes for starters, as would the regulator in each country so you cannot hide that sort thing. In addition jet fuel is partly refined in Australia (Syd, see link https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...AInFfT04QBk6fg)
So is Caltex involved in this as well. omg, why bother!!
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Guys, please let me clarify something.
The subject matter interests me only because the allegations are so profound and the people making them seem sincere and seemingly sane. Don't tell me that you don't enjoy debating a conspiracy theory and find it entertaining
Oliver Stone's JFK was a great film, yet it's clearly debunked by the evidence.
Categorically I have not made my mind up that chem trails exist or that the allegations stack up.
I do hugely respect the experience and opinions of aviation professionals, which is exactly the reason why I am asking their opinion. I'm not (yet) aware of any existing debate between the aviation community and the proponents of the chem trail theory, but thanks for the link to the debunking site. I'll check it out.
I'm sure there are loads of simpletons out there who actually believe that (all) condensation trails are the spraying of government mind control chemicals and do not understand that condensation trails are the normal result of combusting fuel at high altitude, but the video makers clearly do not fall into that category. They suggest that aluminium and barium are being seeded into the sky by some military flights for some sort of weather engineering purpose. That aircraft have and are sometimes used to seed clouds to make it rain is not a conspiracy theory, it's not disputed by mainstream science, indeed it's a product of it. However, they are claiming that large scale weather engineering experimentation is underway now using different additives. I do not believe that they made a specific claim that the metal particles are a fuel additive or to know exactly how the particles are seeded. They did claim to be from a relevant professional background and to have collected samples of heavy metal contamination (soil, water, air) in areas of routinely monitored pristeen wilderness. If it's their area of expertise and the testing was performed by a proper laboratory, well that's mainstream science isn't it? So if they are detecting a real problem, then what IS the cause?
Just asking what you think.
The subject matter interests me only because the allegations are so profound and the people making them seem sincere and seemingly sane. Don't tell me that you don't enjoy debating a conspiracy theory and find it entertaining
Oliver Stone's JFK was a great film, yet it's clearly debunked by the evidence. Categorically I have not made my mind up that chem trails exist or that the allegations stack up.
I do hugely respect the experience and opinions of aviation professionals, which is exactly the reason why I am asking their opinion. I'm not (yet) aware of any existing debate between the aviation community and the proponents of the chem trail theory, but thanks for the link to the debunking site. I'll check it out.
I'm sure there are loads of simpletons out there who actually believe that (all) condensation trails are the spraying of government mind control chemicals and do not understand that condensation trails are the normal result of combusting fuel at high altitude, but the video makers clearly do not fall into that category. They suggest that aluminium and barium are being seeded into the sky by some military flights for some sort of weather engineering purpose. That aircraft have and are sometimes used to seed clouds to make it rain is not a conspiracy theory, it's not disputed by mainstream science, indeed it's a product of it. However, they are claiming that large scale weather engineering experimentation is underway now using different additives. I do not believe that they made a specific claim that the metal particles are a fuel additive or to know exactly how the particles are seeded. They did claim to be from a relevant professional background and to have collected samples of heavy metal contamination (soil, water, air) in areas of routinely monitored pristeen wilderness. If it's their area of expertise and the testing was performed by a proper laboratory, well that's mainstream science isn't it? So if they are detecting a real problem, then what IS the cause?
Just asking what you think.
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Are you genuinely convinced that this is all a conspiracy by a few individuals to sell books and DVDs?
And frequently even after it's explained to them very clearly they still don't believe it.
And as one of the clever people from metabunk.org said -
You claim that there is evidence for toxic material in the sky.
Can you please explain in detail why it is not found in any of the 80,000 passenger jets that fly every day? Their cabin pressurisation systems don't filter the air from outside as it gets pumped inside, yet for decades no -one has detected the materials chemtrail believers claim to be in the sky. Please explain why it isn't detected in the sky, despite 80,000 passenger jets collecting, compressing and sampling the air for an average of 6 hours each plane. That's 48,000hours of sampling PER DAY, every day yet no "chemtrails have yet been detected.
Can you please explain in detail why it is not found in any of the 80,000 passenger jets that fly every day? Their cabin pressurisation systems don't filter the air from outside as it gets pumped inside, yet for decades no -one has detected the materials chemtrail believers claim to be in the sky. Please explain why it isn't detected in the sky, despite 80,000 passenger jets collecting, compressing and sampling the air for an average of 6 hours each plane. That's 48,000hours of sampling PER DAY, every day yet no "chemtrails have yet been detected.
You say it's fiction and has no merit. Please qualify that. Did you watch it? There is a 15 minute condensed version of the "documentary" available.
I would have thought that pilots, particularly people with more than 10 years experience would be in a unique position to know if there have been any changes in the appearance of (some) trails in the sky over their careers and if there is any merit to the allegation that the military are flying intensively and routinely to seed the sky in NATO countries. Surely civilian pilots would notice.
One of the reason that contrails are becoming more frequent and lasting longer is because the efficiency of modern jet engines is increasing; the hotter the cores run the more likely contrails are to form.
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Looking at the metabunk.org web site, it would appear that it (the original chem trail video) is a case of deliberate misrepresentation of the truth for material gain. That's just disgusting. Surely there are easier ways to make money legitimately.
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