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but the staff are currently engaged in proof reading the 2011 calendar.
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Would you agree that it is a bit of a ridiculous system though? I'm sure that there is a logic behind it, but for the life of me can't work out what it might be. After passing your GFPT flight test (for which you must have also passed BAK) Casa receives a copy of all of your paperwork. Surely this would be able to be recorded on their system somewhere and then passed to ASL, really, it wouldn't be that difficult. Also, if I am sitting 7 CPL subjects with ASL, and have unique details with them which I use to book my exams, I should only need to show proof of passing BAK once, not each time that I go to sit a new exam. I personally have not been asked to show my logbook once, and everytime I go to the ASL exam centre I sneak a glance at the sheet with my name on it and which says "BAK examanation pass required" (or something along those lines) and four times so far it has said no. Not sure why I don't have to show it.
Girl with a stick says she showed her logbook at the first exam,.... hopefully in that time CASA or her flying school hasn't rechecked her BAK exam and magically found that she actually failed. Whilst it's a rule, there has to be a better way that it can be done.
You knew the rule, didn't follow it, and are surprised to be caught out?
Would that be like doing 100km/h in a 60 zone, then complaining to the copper when your caught, that it's ridiculous because you were never caught in the past?
Don't blame CASA.
Would that be like doing 100km/h in a 60 zone, then complaining to the copper when your caught, that it's ridiculous because you were never caught in the past?
Don't blame CASA.
Girl with a stick says she showed her logbook at the first exam,.... hopefully in that time CASA or her flying school hasn't rechecked her BAK exam and magically found that she actually failed. Whilst it's a rule, there has to be a better way that it can be done.
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Exam system makeover
IMHO the whole exam system needs a complete makeover.
In 2004 I trundled off to Moorabin to do the Irex as the Launceston ASL centre was booked solid for months and I was already into my IF flight training so I needed to get busy. I had to stay in a motel the night before due to the early start time and when I was 70 % through the exam I used the scroll function on the mouse which was a no no as the whole exam process locked up for 20 minutes (some sort of known software glitch). By the time it got going again I only had around 30 minutes to finish. The KDR on the failure (by a 3 lousy percent) indicated that I had let myself down on the areas of the syllabus that were tested in that final part of the exam. GRRRR!
A couple of weeks later I learned that it was possible to get a sit in Launy as several candidates that were studying at the time were in the habit of booking sitting times then cancelling at the eleventh hour due to a lack of prep or whatever. The scroll mouse/software problem was still happening but this time I was informed of it prior to starting the exam.
The letters I wrote to ASL, CASA and my local member to highlight my outrage at the time were answered very poorly with the exceptiom of the polly who couldn't believe that such a draconian system existed.
I recieved no offers of a refund of any kind. The cost of flights, accom, etc made my first irex exam a very expensive exercise indeed.
Lets face it if CASA and ASL were in a competitive market for the products and services they provide they wouldn't last a month before they were overtaken by a competitor.
Bad luck about forgetting to take your logbook to your performance exam.
In 92 I sat 1 combined CPL exam on my CFI's kitchen table that had been faxed to our location. What was wrong with that system? It seems that it made it too easy to cheat. Yeah right we all know that if you cheat on your study that the lack of knowledge will bite you in the the arse when it counts.
I hope that the resit went well and that you enjoy the rest of the study process.
Don't forget to look back at it later in your career breathing that sigh of relief that we who have been through it all do.
Thank F#*k that bits over.
In 2004 I trundled off to Moorabin to do the Irex as the Launceston ASL centre was booked solid for months and I was already into my IF flight training so I needed to get busy. I had to stay in a motel the night before due to the early start time and when I was 70 % through the exam I used the scroll function on the mouse which was a no no as the whole exam process locked up for 20 minutes (some sort of known software glitch). By the time it got going again I only had around 30 minutes to finish. The KDR on the failure (by a 3 lousy percent) indicated that I had let myself down on the areas of the syllabus that were tested in that final part of the exam. GRRRR!
A couple of weeks later I learned that it was possible to get a sit in Launy as several candidates that were studying at the time were in the habit of booking sitting times then cancelling at the eleventh hour due to a lack of prep or whatever. The scroll mouse/software problem was still happening but this time I was informed of it prior to starting the exam.
The letters I wrote to ASL, CASA and my local member to highlight my outrage at the time were answered very poorly with the exceptiom of the polly who couldn't believe that such a draconian system existed.
I recieved no offers of a refund of any kind. The cost of flights, accom, etc made my first irex exam a very expensive exercise indeed.
Lets face it if CASA and ASL were in a competitive market for the products and services they provide they wouldn't last a month before they were overtaken by a competitor.
Bad luck about forgetting to take your logbook to your performance exam.
In 92 I sat 1 combined CPL exam on my CFI's kitchen table that had been faxed to our location. What was wrong with that system? It seems that it made it too easy to cheat. Yeah right we all know that if you cheat on your study that the lack of knowledge will bite you in the the arse when it counts.
I hope that the resit went well and that you enjoy the rest of the study process.
Don't forget to look back at it later in your career breathing that sigh of relief that we who have been through it all do.
Thank F#*k that bits over.
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benharris, you're wishing on a pretty big star there. The CASA has computers, but no one really knows how to use a database. That knowledge was cut in an effort to save costs many years ago and the money has never been there to bring it back up to speed. So, just like the regulations, we're stuck in the 1940's with no impetus to look ahead. As go the regulations, so goes aviation.
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The terms and conditions are stated on the website before you purchase the exam.
R.T.F.I
BAK (Basic Aircraft Knowledge)
It is a CASA requirement for candidates sitting all PPL (Aeroplane) or CPL (Aeroplane) examinations to present evidence of their BAK. This is in the form of the appropriate page of the candidate's log book signed by a Chief Flying Instructor and dated. A photocopy of the said page or any other form will not be accepted.
If a candidate does not have this proof of having passed their Basic Aircraft Knowledge test they will not be permitted to sit the exam. This will result in loss of ASL's delivery fee with the CASA fee remaining in credit. The candidate will be required to rebook this exam at a later date.
Candidates should carry their log book with them for each PPL (Aeroplane) and CPL (Aeroplane) exam.
R.T.F.I
BAK (Basic Aircraft Knowledge)
It is a CASA requirement for candidates sitting all PPL (Aeroplane) or CPL (Aeroplane) examinations to present evidence of their BAK. This is in the form of the appropriate page of the candidate's log book signed by a Chief Flying Instructor and dated. A photocopy of the said page or any other form will not be accepted.
If a candidate does not have this proof of having passed their Basic Aircraft Knowledge test they will not be permitted to sit the exam. This will result in loss of ASL's delivery fee with the CASA fee remaining in credit. The candidate will be required to rebook this exam at a later date.
Candidates should carry their log book with them for each PPL (Aeroplane) and CPL (Aeroplane) exam.
Thanks for your erudite contribution Orion Delta. I think it's already been acknowledged that the instructions to candidates are clear.
Perhaps CASA should decide if they want to have a licence-based evidentiary system, or a log-book based system rather than a half-arsed, money grubbing mixture of both that we currently have.
I think it's already been acknowledged that the instructions to candidates are clear.
Candidates should carry their log book with them for each PPL (Aeroplane) and CPL (Aeroplane) exam.
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If memory serves correctly, I was never required to take my logbook to any exam I ever sat. The last exam I sat (and passed) was the then ATPL syllabus in 1992.
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My logbook didn't have the BAK endorsement (old CAA system..) . I had to get a letter from CASA stating that I had done it (they provided it to me along with my marks...which was good of them after some time...)....thank god I had my ASIC card...hang on..no-one wanted to see that.....
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