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some serious recovery equipment
I doubt if the ATSB would be going to the effort if they didn't think the recorders would be of some use. Time will tell, of course.
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Can some one explain to me what the issue is that the Westwind/Pelair has with Noumea or has this been done before.What I understand is Jetcity does Noumea for Careflight with the Lear rather than Pelair.
Regards The Dog
Regards The Dog
Speaking recently to a local fisherman who tells me the aircraft is in water around 50 metres deep. Confirms it has been secured ready for lifting quite soon and which is expected to be a very straightforward operation.
Puff, I'm not seeing one.
morno
morno
morno - quite correct I was on a work computer lastnight and I swear it was there, even showed it to someone. May have been an old cache or something - either way my error.
edit - i'm not going nuts just looked in the wrong spot -
Westwind Job
edit - i'm not going nuts just looked in the wrong spot -
Westwind Job
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Understand the FDR is under two kilometres of water.
HH - An ATSB source tells me it's in water at less than 500 mtrs and they (ATSB) have already located the wreckage
Speaking recently to a local fisherman who tells me the aircraft is in water around 50 metres deep
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Must Have's
Pel-air have an advert on AFAP for Westwind pilots, a few recent vacancies?
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GobblyDook,
The job qualifications you refer to certainly mirrors that of the wreckage ......
Washboard stomach, rippled pecs (amongst many other things), tanned
(and rusty), (very) naked but certainly not with the ( protruding and stiff
) undercarriage down.
Are you taking the piss?
The job qualifications you refer to certainly mirrors that of the wreckage ......
Washboard stomach, rippled pecs (amongst many other things), tanned
(and rusty), (very) naked but certainly not with the ( protruding and stiff
) undercarriage down.
Are you taking the piss?
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As well as experience and command hours the prospective Drivers must have washboard stomachs, rippling pecs, be tanned and willing to pose half naked with their 'undercarriage' protruding !
Oooh....ooooh.....Pick me! I haven't flown a jet but I have a floatplane endorsement. Surely that would be relevant? Or maybe floating hull?
On second thoughts, perhaps I need a non-floating hull endorsement.
On second thoughts, perhaps I need a non-floating hull endorsement.
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Rumour has it that a CASA report into the incident has been released to interested parties this week, not sure if it will ever be made public.(posted, 2nd Jan)
...perhaps not quite so adoring in tone as the first reports and concentrating a little less on rippling six packs and toned pecs and maybe a little more on things like pre-ditching briefings, or lack thereof?
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From what I have heard from 'interested' (read 'involved') parties, the report is quite mild compared to what has been discussed on this site.
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One and only post on this from yours truly.
You've hit the nail on the head there Howard.
Just wondering if the individuals who insisted on slandering the dude/dudette in question will be up for offering retractions/apologies?
Just wondering if the individuals who insisted on slandering the dude/dudette in question will be up for offering retractions/apologies?
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ATSB
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CASA does not conduct accident investigations, however they will be waiting for the ATSB reort to determine if they can get involved.
ATSB investigates and reports in the interests of Air Safety and makes recommendations to reduce the likelihood of recurrance.
CASA are not particularly interested in air safety, their preference is enforcement.
ATSB will normally release a draft report to affected and interested parties.
This correctly gives the affected and interested parties the opportunity to proof read and advise of any inaccuracies in the report.
The final ATSB report will be clinical and make observations and recommendations. (They nailed CASA in the Lockhart River tragedy)
CASA will quickly take up any regulatory breaches identified except their own.
We seemed to have forgotten the Whyalla Air tragedy, where numerous "experts" formed numerous and wrong opinions as to the cause.
History tells us that Whyalla Air were some of the early victims of faulty Lycoming crankshafts
that had granular defects during manufacture leading to eventual catastrophic failure.
CASA does not conduct accident investigations, however they will be waiting for the ATSB reort to determine if they can get involved.
ATSB investigates and reports in the interests of Air Safety and makes recommendations to reduce the likelihood of recurrance.
CASA are not particularly interested in air safety, their preference is enforcement.
ATSB will normally release a draft report to affected and interested parties.
This correctly gives the affected and interested parties the opportunity to proof read and advise of any inaccuracies in the report.
The final ATSB report will be clinical and make observations and recommendations. (They nailed CASA in the Lockhart River tragedy)
CASA will quickly take up any regulatory breaches identified except their own.
We seemed to have forgotten the Whyalla Air tragedy, where numerous "experts" formed numerous and wrong opinions as to the cause.
History tells us that Whyalla Air were some of the early victims of faulty Lycoming crankshafts
that had granular defects during manufacture leading to eventual catastrophic failure.
Last edited by Mainframe; 10th Jan 2010 at 23:17. Reason: typo
Food for thought: 
- WX update indicates your destination now requires an alternate. You decide not to divert, even though you still have fuel to do so.
- Wx at destination crappy, remaining fuel used up during numerous instrument approaches.
- Cloudbase well below minima, but approx 300' AGL
- Flameout imminant, approaching minima!
- Considering poor command decision making earlier, the obvious may not have appeared obvious?
