Professional Pride
Interesting points made by Tailwheel and others on the multiple usernames. For some that have been contributing to Pprune for may years, it is not hard for employers to pick their style of writing and with a nudge nudge wink wink to the contributor tell him to lay off or risk a DCM. The adage that a prophet is never accepted in his own country, is true. A good post read by discerning readers overseas will often be rubbished by the local bogan clique on the Oz Pprune pages who readily recognise who the writer is.
I have no problem with those who elect to use a different name occasionally. Guilty as charged. For example, Dick Smith has the moral courage to use his birth name in all his posts yet the penalty for that is he gets unmercifully hammered just because he is Dick Smith. Would that occur if he slipped in another username instead in order to make a valid point for all readers to ponder? I doubt it.
I am sure those contributors that opt for multiple usernames would be happy to stick to one if there was a system on Pprune to entirely delete or archive old ones.
I have no problem with those who elect to use a different name occasionally. Guilty as charged. For example, Dick Smith has the moral courage to use his birth name in all his posts yet the penalty for that is he gets unmercifully hammered just because he is Dick Smith. Would that occur if he slipped in another username instead in order to make a valid point for all readers to ponder? I doubt it.
I am sure those contributors that opt for multiple usernames would be happy to stick to one if there was a system on Pprune to entirely delete or archive old ones.
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Careful rmcdonal, thats almost a one line agreement! 
Great Thread
With luck, this will help some of the users interact in a more professional manner and create a more informative environment for those who actually try and use it as such.
Err, Im not sure if I just broke one of the pet hates. Apologies in advance.
Great Thread
With luck, this will help some of the users interact in a more professional manner and create a more informative environment for those who actually try and use it as such.
Err, Im not sure if I just broke one of the pet hates. Apologies in advance.
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Bring on the User Reputation function..
It works on numerous other Bulletin boards, and I'm quite surprised it has not been implemented onto "The Pprune" earlier....
Even YouTube has a function to grade comments, maybe the same function on individual posts would work well... it would allow the 'community' to self-moderate to a degree....
It works on numerous other Bulletin boards, and I'm quite surprised it has not been implemented onto "The Pprune" earlier....
Even YouTube has a function to grade comments, maybe the same function on individual posts would work well... it would allow the 'community' to self-moderate to a degree....
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We're not opposed to multiple user names. More than a few of us have "multiple personalities"!
To some, it is a highly amusing art form and gives me a chuckle when I see what appears to be multiple users, same IP address!
The vexatious, schrizophrenic morons that use multiple user names to argue with them in order to sensationalise a subject that has no interest to anyone else - and usually no right to be on PPRuNe - are the users I was referring to.
You are right about Dick Smith. I admire his courage in stating his opinion and using his own name; whether I agree or not with his opinion is entirely irrelevent. Not all users are able to use their own name due to employment and other constratints, something Dick occasionally overlooks. It is not a Mod's prerogative to express an opinion on the content of any post, nor do the opinions of others interfere with any action we take in Moderating a thread or forum - if I have a personal opinion I will post that using (one of ) my personal user names.
Because we take Moderator action on a thread or post, it is not a reason to believe we are influenced in any way or paid by Qantas, Virgin, Dick Smith, CASA et al!
To some, it is a highly amusing art form and gives me a chuckle when I see what appears to be multiple users, same IP address!
The vexatious, schrizophrenic morons that use multiple user names to argue with them in order to sensationalise a subject that has no interest to anyone else - and usually no right to be on PPRuNe - are the users I was referring to.
You are right about Dick Smith. I admire his courage in stating his opinion and using his own name; whether I agree or not with his opinion is entirely irrelevent. Not all users are able to use their own name due to employment and other constratints, something Dick occasionally overlooks. It is not a Mod's prerogative to express an opinion on the content of any post, nor do the opinions of others interfere with any action we take in Moderating a thread or forum - if I have a personal opinion I will post that using (one of
) my personal user names.Because we take Moderator action on a thread or post, it is not a reason to believe we are influenced in any way or paid by Qantas, Virgin, Dick Smith, CASA et al!
I was quite intrigued by this thread which appeals for improvement in the level of professionalism on PPrune.
I have been a member since day 1 and under my current username for over 10 years. I am not a frequent poster but started a thread on "Airline Pilot - Trade or Profession" 6 days ago and to date there have been 68 replies - the vast majority of which have been edifying. There have been no examples of profanity nor any personal attacks. Amongst other things, the posters discuss the very relevant current issues associated with seniority systems vs DECs that are topical in light of the recent Virgin Blue DEC decision / thread.
The thread was specifically about airline pilots so I was a bit surprised to see it moved by the moderators to the GA forum. This caused some thread drift away from "airline pilot" to "pilot" but the tone remained sensible. Therefore, I was even more surprised to see that my topic is posted on the list of "HATES" of one of the moderators which is amplified by the moderator's statement on this thread.
QUOTE:
• "Is flying a profession or a trade?" Neither. It is a job and vocation like any other. Get your head out of your @ss and understand you are no different to any other working Australian. Like pilots, ship's captains, bus drivers, tour guides, police and taxi drivers all wear epaulettes. Why are you any different or better?
UNQUOTE. (my underlining)
Over 60 PPruners obviously thought that the topic was worth discussing politely and there is no mention of epaulettes, better / worse etc. A moderator obviously doesn't agree. I apologise unreservedly if my thread offended the moderator.
As an aside I mentioned in the other thread that a really good read is "Flying the Line - A History of USALPA" which reveals that seniority systems were introduced by airline management in the 1930s to control pilot mobility (i.e. leave and you start at the bottom). Another favourite book of mine is 1984 where oligarchy rules OK.
Fly Safe PJ
I have been a member since day 1 and under my current username for over 10 years. I am not a frequent poster but started a thread on "Airline Pilot - Trade or Profession" 6 days ago and to date there have been 68 replies - the vast majority of which have been edifying. There have been no examples of profanity nor any personal attacks. Amongst other things, the posters discuss the very relevant current issues associated with seniority systems vs DECs that are topical in light of the recent Virgin Blue DEC decision / thread.
The thread was specifically about airline pilots so I was a bit surprised to see it moved by the moderators to the GA forum. This caused some thread drift away from "airline pilot" to "pilot" but the tone remained sensible. Therefore, I was even more surprised to see that my topic is posted on the list of "HATES" of one of the moderators which is amplified by the moderator's statement on this thread.
QUOTE:
• "Is flying a profession or a trade?" Neither. It is a job and vocation like any other. Get your head out of your @ss and understand you are no different to any other working Australian. Like pilots, ship's captains, bus drivers, tour guides, police and taxi drivers all wear epaulettes. Why are you any different or better?
UNQUOTE. (my underlining)
Over 60 PPruners obviously thought that the topic was worth discussing politely and there is no mention of epaulettes, better / worse etc. A moderator obviously doesn't agree. I apologise unreservedly if my thread offended the moderator.
As an aside I mentioned in the other thread that a really good read is "Flying the Line - A History of USALPA" which reveals that seniority systems were introduced by airline management in the 1930s to control pilot mobility (i.e. leave and you start at the bottom). Another favourite book of mine is 1984 where oligarchy rules OK.
Fly Safe PJ
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Personally I return to prune to glean info from the very knowledgable people that exist here, work out how to filter the wheat from the chaff so to speak 
However, I hold in distain the human lemmings in our industry who substitute rumours for truth with no regard for the consequences of their actions.
To some, I suggest that they read the Defamation Act, 2006 for a bit of an eye-opener. Of significance is that perpetuating a malicious falsehood leaves you just as open to damages as if you originated it.
Not only that, but the onus is on you to prove the truth of your statement not for the litigant to show that a damaging statement is false.
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Propjet88. I responded to your PM. On re-reading my original post I probably did not express myself very well.
I did not object to your thread "Airline Pilot - Trade or Profession".
What concerned me was that it would attract that small minority, particularly amongst airline pilots, with big watches, big wallets and an ego to match, plus the young turks that wear their eppaulettes and wings to Maccas for a burger, who think the world revolves around them. By definition, commercial flying in all it's forms, is probably a professional vocation, in the same way aircraft maintenance and air traffic control is also a professional vocation.
When you commenced the thread, out of curiosity I checked the Dictionary:
Profession:
Trade:
Your choice!
DG&P Reporting Points Airline and RPT issues in Australia, enZed and the Pacific is effectively our "front page". It is the appropriate forum for breaking aviation news and particularly airline news and credible newsworthy rumours. We don't want the front page forum bogged down with non news worthy issues.
DG&P General Aviation & Questions is the "inside pages" for GA matters plus all the non news questions and general interest items, whether airline or GA and the "general natter".
Your thread was by nature, a question, not a current news item.
I'd certainly agree with that!
I did not object to your thread "Airline Pilot - Trade or Profession".
What concerned me was that it would attract that small minority, particularly amongst airline pilots, with big watches, big wallets and an ego to match, plus the young turks that wear their eppaulettes and wings to Maccas for a burger, who think the world revolves around them. By definition, commercial flying in all it's forms, is probably a professional vocation, in the same way aircraft maintenance and air traffic control is also a professional vocation.
When you commenced the thread, out of curiosity I checked the Dictionary:
Profession:
- a vocation requiring knowledge of some department of learning or science:
- any vocation or business:
- the body of persons engaged in an occupation or calling:
Trade:
- any occupation pursued as a business or livelihood:
- some line of skilled manual or mechanical work; craft:
- people engaged in a particular line of business:
Your choice!
DG&P Reporting Points Airline and RPT issues in Australia, enZed and the Pacific is effectively our "front page". It is the appropriate forum for breaking aviation news and particularly airline news and credible newsworthy rumours. We don't want the front page forum bogged down with non news worthy issues.
DG&P General Aviation & Questions is the "inside pages" for GA matters plus all the non news questions and general interest items, whether airline or GA and the "general natter".
Your thread was by nature, a question, not a current news item.
...I hold in distain the human lemmings in our industry who substitute rumours for truth with no regard for the consequences of their actions.
Sorting the wheat from the chaff.
Pprune has certainly changed a lot over recent years. D&G, in particular, seems to have suffered at the hands of people who should probably spend their time elsewhere. I hope this is not an accurate reflection of our industry.
Maybe we should all go for a friendly drink together, and let Jake the Muss sort the wheat from the chaff.
Pprune warning
or
Pprune eviction.
Maybe we should all go for a friendly drink together, and let Jake the Muss sort the wheat from the chaff.
Pprune warning
or
Pprune eviction.
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Restored Faith
Ladies and gentlemen, we have now had 37 posts on a topic without one rat-bag input, and with an injection of humour! My especial thanks to 'tail wheel,' 'Jetdriver' and 'Tidbinbilla' for taking the time and effort to explain the Mods inputs. The site is in good hands.
Chees!
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Chees!
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I thought it interesting that other forums here on Pprune regard Dunnunda as being where Rottweilers roam. Given that some of the worlds safety authorities regard the Oz safety record as being a result of their healthy disrespect of authority, I wonder if there is a connection.
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I thought it interesting that other forums here on PPRuNe regard Dunnunda as being where Rottweilers roam.
It is probably true that over the years Dunnunda Forum has caused many problems for PPRuNe, however it is also probably true that a greater percentage of Australian aviation employees participate in PPRuNe than any other country. I think Danny recently suggested that between 25% and 33% of all visits to PPRuNe are from Australia and New Zealand.
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Huh....???!!
""Mmmmmm
....(sits up, wipes drool from chin, starts activating long dormant brain cells)...."could this be the beginning of something rather groovy?"...(farts, giggles then sits back to watch)
Brian A....I will get back to you....just haven't had a chance.
....(sits up, wipes drool from chin, starts activating long dormant brain cells)...."could this be the beginning of something rather groovy?"...(farts, giggles then sits back to watch)Brian A....I will get back to you....just haven't had a chance.
Yes Macca. Many of us have seen those pictures....
Wow, I had no idea!
I think Danny recently suggested that between 25% and 33% of all visits to PPRuNe are from Australia and New Zealand.