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Indonesian Airline FOs
Any advice on the following??;
INDONESIAN AIRLINES
ATR & AM60 FIRST OFFICERS Required
Min Req:
* Any Citizen
* ICAO Approved CPL/IFR-ME
* Class 1 Medical
Company will provide:
* Type rating (min 3yrs Bond) or (Self Sponsored)
* Visa to live & work in Indonesia
If interested, forward a 1 page CV to ............. to be considered.
Further details provided upon application
Cheers
INDONESIAN AIRLINES
ATR & AM60 FIRST OFFICERS Required
Min Req:
* Any Citizen
* ICAO Approved CPL/IFR-ME
* Class 1 Medical
Company will provide:
* Type rating (min 3yrs Bond) or (Self Sponsored)
* Visa to live & work in Indonesia
If interested, forward a 1 page CV to ............. to be considered.
Further details provided upon application
Cheers
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Do your homework before you even consider it.
Who for? Some obscure email address doesn't give much away - a reputable offer would state the operator, at least!!!! Google couldn't find an operator named Indonesian Airlines, nor could Wiky.
I'm generally aware of the following from blokes who've been there (but not necessarily representative of all operators): lousy pay, understated advice as to what accommodation costs, irregularities with adherence to the rules, breaches of contract etc etc ..... that's enough to concern me.
Like I said, do your homework.
Who for? Some obscure email address doesn't give much away - a reputable offer would state the operator, at least!!!! Google couldn't find an operator named Indonesian Airlines, nor could Wiky.
I'm generally aware of the following from blokes who've been there (but not necessarily representative of all operators): lousy pay, understated advice as to what accommodation costs, irregularities with adherence to the rules, breaches of contract etc etc ..... that's enough to concern me.
Like I said, do your homework.
Indonesian Airline Advertisement
Ok, so here is the advertisement on AFAP for Indonesian Airlines:
7 OCTOBER 2009
INDONESIAN AIRLINES
ATR & AM60 FIRST OFFICERS Required
Min Req:
* Any Citizen
* ICAO Approved CPL/IFR-ME
* Class 1 Medical
Company will provide:
* Type rating (min 3yrs Bond) or (Self Sponsored)
* Visa to live & work in Indonesia
If interested, forward a 1 page CV to .............. to be considered.
Further details provided upon application
So I thought Indonesian Airlines had ceased operations? Unless its meant to be something for Garuda but as far as i know they don't run any ATRs?
Another point is that the email certainly doesn't seem to be legit for a large organisation, seeing as how its a yahoo mail account.
Can anyone shed some light on this advertisement and whether its legitimate or not?
7 OCTOBER 2009
INDONESIAN AIRLINES
ATR & AM60 FIRST OFFICERS Required
Min Req:
* Any Citizen
* ICAO Approved CPL/IFR-ME
* Class 1 Medical
Company will provide:
* Type rating (min 3yrs Bond) or (Self Sponsored)
* Visa to live & work in Indonesia
If interested, forward a 1 page CV to .............. to be considered.
Further details provided upon application
So I thought Indonesian Airlines had ceased operations? Unless its meant to be something for Garuda but as far as i know they don't run any ATRs?
Another point is that the email certainly doesn't seem to be legit for a large organisation, seeing as how its a yahoo mail account.
Can anyone shed some light on this advertisement and whether its legitimate or not?
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I have a friend who is a dash 8 captain for Wings Air (Lion Air subsidiary). I've jst got a reply from him saying that there's currently no airline in Indonesia called "Indonesian Airlines".
Furthermore, according to him, their local regulations states that foreign pilots can only be employed in Indonesia if there aren't any local pilots capable of doing the the job. That's typical labour regulations anywhere in the world isn't it? Imagine if Indonesian pilots were allowed to apply for Qantaslink and Rex. Imagine the uproar here on pprune, let alone the unions and AFAP if that happened here.
If anyone applies and gets further details, please do share it here. I'd like to be proven wrong that this job ad sounds a little dodgy.
Furthermore, according to him, their local regulations states that foreign pilots can only be employed in Indonesia if there aren't any local pilots capable of doing the the job. That's typical labour regulations anywhere in the world isn't it? Imagine if Indonesian pilots were allowed to apply for Qantaslink and Rex. Imagine the uproar here on pprune, let alone the unions and AFAP if that happened here.
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Gday the only airline i saw that operates the MA60 (i think it could be a typo) is Merpati airlines however no sign of ATR's in there fleet. so unless there planning on a large purchase of ATRs i have no idea
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The only MA60 operator is Merpati
Merpati Nusantara Airlines - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
ATR-42s , there are lots of operators using the ATR so it could be an agent recruiting for a number of operators
Merpati Nusantara Airlines - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
ATR-42s , there are lots of operators using the ATR so it could be an agent recruiting for a number of operators
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As for the ATR's.
Government Promises New Round of Negotiations Over Xi’an-Merpati Deal
The government has not abandoned plans to buy 15 passenger turboprop aircraft worth $232 million from Chinese aeronautics firm Xi’an for troubled PT Merpati Nusantara Airlines, a minister said. He added that another round of talks with Xi’an province officials would aim to settle more than nine months of turbulent on-again, off-again negotiations.
“There will be another round of negotiations led by the trade minister [Mari Elka Pangestu],” Jusman Syafii Djamal, the transportation minister, told reporters late on Friday after attending a ministerial meeting led by acting Coordinating Minister for the Economy Sri Mulyani Indrawati in Jakarta.
No schedule for fresh talks was offered, nor did Jusman confirm whether Xi’an officials had agreed to reopen negotiations.
State carrier Merpati in 2006 agreed to purchase 15 MA-60s from Xi’an using a soft loan facility from China, with the two governments signing a formal deal in August last year.
However, Merpati, saddled with serious financial problems, never followed through on its commitments, and by late 2008 the deal was embroiled in charges of corruption and allegations that Merpati officials had overpaid for the planes in return for kickbacks.
Merpati took delivery of two of the planes in 2007. The aircraft were grounded in June because of body damage, including cracks in the tail of one of the MA-60s.
Since October, the government and Merpati had asked Xi’an to lower prices for the planes, but Xi’an executives have insisted on sticking to prices in the formal agreement.
Xi’an is now refusing to provide after-sales service for the two planes and is demanding full prices for spare parts instead of the discounted rates negotiated during the sale.
The aircraft maker has threatened to take Merpati to international arbitration in Singapore to recover $90 million in damages from the now-frozen deal, souring bilateral relations between China and Indonesia.
The deal had also been blamed for postponing loans of about $5 billion from Chinese banks for the government’s “fast-track” electricity generation program, although some of the projects put on hold at the beginning of the global crisis are again being developed.
Sri Mulyani and Mari along with Merpati executives, flew to Beijing in March to discuss the deal, although the negotiations did not bear fruit.
Sri Mulyani “requested that this matter to be concluded, so negotiations with China will begin again to settle all of the problems . . . There were no talks for an option to call off the plan” to buy the aircraft, Jusman said.
Bambang Bhakti, Merpati’s president director, said on Friday that he would leave negotiations to the government. He had earlier told the Jakarta Globe that the airline was planning to abandon the deal if a resolution wasn’t reached in June.
Bambang became Merpati’s head after the formal deal was signed in 2008, and was not a party to the agreement.
Bambang said it was urgent for Merpati to receive the planes to expand service to the provinces..
But despite the urgency, “it would be okay to wait for one or two months” for a deal, as long as the agreement reached “was prudent and all parties benefited,”
On July 5, Merpati said it had signed a $63 million deal with several foreign lessors to lease eight French-made ATR-72 passenger planes, of similar size to the MA-60s, for six to 10 years. Several of the leased aircraft are set to be delivered this month.
Government Promises New Round of Negotiations Over Xi’an-Merpati Deal
The government has not abandoned plans to buy 15 passenger turboprop aircraft worth $232 million from Chinese aeronautics firm Xi’an for troubled PT Merpati Nusantara Airlines, a minister said. He added that another round of talks with Xi’an province officials would aim to settle more than nine months of turbulent on-again, off-again negotiations.
“There will be another round of negotiations led by the trade minister [Mari Elka Pangestu],” Jusman Syafii Djamal, the transportation minister, told reporters late on Friday after attending a ministerial meeting led by acting Coordinating Minister for the Economy Sri Mulyani Indrawati in Jakarta.
No schedule for fresh talks was offered, nor did Jusman confirm whether Xi’an officials had agreed to reopen negotiations.
State carrier Merpati in 2006 agreed to purchase 15 MA-60s from Xi’an using a soft loan facility from China, with the two governments signing a formal deal in August last year.
However, Merpati, saddled with serious financial problems, never followed through on its commitments, and by late 2008 the deal was embroiled in charges of corruption and allegations that Merpati officials had overpaid for the planes in return for kickbacks.
Merpati took delivery of two of the planes in 2007. The aircraft were grounded in June because of body damage, including cracks in the tail of one of the MA-60s.
Since October, the government and Merpati had asked Xi’an to lower prices for the planes, but Xi’an executives have insisted on sticking to prices in the formal agreement.
Xi’an is now refusing to provide after-sales service for the two planes and is demanding full prices for spare parts instead of the discounted rates negotiated during the sale.
The aircraft maker has threatened to take Merpati to international arbitration in Singapore to recover $90 million in damages from the now-frozen deal, souring bilateral relations between China and Indonesia.
The deal had also been blamed for postponing loans of about $5 billion from Chinese banks for the government’s “fast-track” electricity generation program, although some of the projects put on hold at the beginning of the global crisis are again being developed.
Sri Mulyani and Mari along with Merpati executives, flew to Beijing in March to discuss the deal, although the negotiations did not bear fruit.
Sri Mulyani “requested that this matter to be concluded, so negotiations with China will begin again to settle all of the problems . . . There were no talks for an option to call off the plan” to buy the aircraft, Jusman said.
Bambang Bhakti, Merpati’s president director, said on Friday that he would leave negotiations to the government. He had earlier told the Jakarta Globe that the airline was planning to abandon the deal if a resolution wasn’t reached in June.
Bambang became Merpati’s head after the formal deal was signed in 2008, and was not a party to the agreement.
Bambang said it was urgent for Merpati to receive the planes to expand service to the provinces..
But despite the urgency, “it would be okay to wait for one or two months” for a deal, as long as the agreement reached “was prudent and all parties benefited,”
On July 5, Merpati said it had signed a $63 million deal with several foreign lessors to lease eight French-made ATR-72 passenger planes, of similar size to the MA-60s, for six to 10 years. Several of the leased aircraft are set to be delivered this month.
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After you forward your 1 page resume, they will generally ask you to transfer an amount of money to their bank accounts to pay for the processing of your details/police checks/residency permits/work permits etc.
This used to happen frequently in the past and the indos were notorious for doing it.
By all means if you want the job apply, however, in Indonesia, the employer is required by law to pay for all permits mentioned above. If they want cash up front for anything, walk away bro!
This used to happen frequently in the past and the indos were notorious for doing it.
By all means if you want the job apply, however, in Indonesia, the employer is required by law to pay for all permits mentioned above. If they want cash up front for anything, walk away bro!
Merpati is an absolute basket case.
A couple of months ago one of their remaining decrepit Twin Otters had a CFIT accident in Papua.
Their CN235's look in terrible shape, one is essentially abandoned on the apron in Medan.
They are looking at the ATR's for areas like Papua and putting capacity into routes like Jayapura-Wamena where one operator has CFIT'd 2 aircraft already this year.
Maybe their ATR drivers might give accurate ETA's and maintain cleared altitudes? That's if they ever actually arrive.
A couple of months ago one of their remaining decrepit Twin Otters had a CFIT accident in Papua.
Their CN235's look in terrible shape, one is essentially abandoned on the apron in Medan.
They are looking at the ATR's for areas like Papua and putting capacity into routes like Jayapura-Wamena where one operator has CFIT'd 2 aircraft already this year.
Maybe their ATR drivers might give accurate ETA's and maintain cleared altitudes? That's if they ever actually arrive.
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Massey058 I dnt know this topic to well but my guess is when they hire guys with 0hrs like this add they are going to get pelicans flying into mountains and not holdin alttitude. just a thought
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Massey058 - Some tact please
CFIT is always in the back of a pilots mind as one simple error can create a CFIT accident that always almost ends in fatalities.
As you pointed out (and as studies have shown) all pilots are just as susceptible to CFIT, regardless of their experience.
However, take into account that many people read these forums.
Please consider that people reading this forum may have had close friends or relatives lose their lives in a CFIT tragedy.
So show some tact, attempt to employ some maturity and not refer to a CFIT tragedy as someone "splatting" against terra firma.
As you pointed out (and as studies have shown) all pilots are just as susceptible to CFIT, regardless of their experience.
However, take into account that many people read these forums.
Please consider that people reading this forum may have had close friends or relatives lose their lives in a CFIT tragedy.
So show some tact, attempt to employ some maturity and not refer to a CFIT tragedy as someone "splatting" against terra firma.
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Training Wheels- There are no "local regulations" in Indonesia, your mate is obviously not much of a mate, I'd say he made that up because he doesn't want you up there!
Everything is possible, best bet is it's a foreign airline, perhaps Singapore looking to expand. Or maybe they are running guns, ASIS and FedPol will know about it, why don't you call them?
But seriously, don't take it to heart, it's not your fault.
Jesus loves you... But everyone else thinks you a tosser!
Everything is possible, best bet is it's a foreign airline, perhaps Singapore looking to expand. Or maybe they are running guns, ASIS and FedPol will know about it, why don't you call them?
But seriously, don't take it to heart, it's not your fault.
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Maybe just maybe, they are like some operators who want to improve standards and are fishing for resumes for ex-training captains or experienced type pilots, to put in the right seat to help the low time or new-to-type ones of their own in the left. If you were selecting foreign nationals for a low paying right seat job, out of the resumes submitted (for whatever reason), which would you choose? Have had co-pilots try to fly me into the water too, when I didn't want to go ...
Maybe just maybe, they are like some operators who want to improve standards and are fishing for resumes for ex-training captains or experienced type pilots, to put in the right seat to help the low time or new-to-type ones of their own in the left. If you were selecting foreign nationals for a low paying right seat job, out of the resumes submitted (for whatever reason), which would you choose? Have had co-pilots try to fly me into the water too, when I didn't want to go ...
frigatebird, I don't think there is an hours formula for CFIT thats for sure just saying that in 3 of the 4 CFIT accidents in Indonesia this year have had experienced crews.
Its just incredibly depressing when you read the stats and see the damage for real and being a pilots forum I used language that clearly riled someone and I apologise.
It will be interesting to see what comes of it all. Merpati do not pay very well and airlines cannot pay their expat employees at different levels to the locals. Hence, Batavia are offering US$4000 for expat 737 drivers because that is what they pay their local employees.
The whole thing seems weird. The idea behind getting the ATR's would be to use in place of the MA60's which its pretty clear will never fly in big numbers in Indonesia, straining relations with China. I don't think its impossible that Merpati could disappear in the short-medium term. Caveat emptor indeed.
Its just incredibly depressing when you read the stats and see the damage for real and being a pilots forum I used language that clearly riled someone and I apologise.
It will be interesting to see what comes of it all. Merpati do not pay very well and airlines cannot pay their expat employees at different levels to the locals. Hence, Batavia are offering US$4000 for expat 737 drivers because that is what they pay their local employees.
The whole thing seems weird. The idea behind getting the ATR's would be to use in place of the MA60's which its pretty clear will never fly in big numbers in Indonesia, straining relations with China. I don't think its impossible that Merpati could disappear in the short-medium term. Caveat emptor indeed.