710m TODA - Enough for a Baron 58?
I regularly take the Bonanza in and out of 600 m - it does that comfortably in most conditions.
This relates to a Beechcraft Baron how?
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From reading this thread I'm getting the feeling that it's probably not the greatest idea to take a B-58 into 710m. It seems that one day you're going to get stung, badly. Unless of course the thread starter is confident that they will be on the ball every time.
So what, if any, aircraft are out there that can do the job? I.E. 6 bums (at a pinch - more like 4) out of 700m for a good distance @ 170+kts? All for Baron money.
Does it have to be a twin?
C210 with some go fast gear?
FTDK?
So what, if any, aircraft are out there that can do the job? I.E. 6 bums (at a pinch - more like 4) out of 700m for a good distance @ 170+kts? All for Baron money.
Does it have to be a twin?
C210 with some go fast gear?
FTDK?
So what, if any, aircraft are out there that can do the job? I.E. 6 bums (at a pinch - more like 4) out of 700m for a good distance @ 170+kts? All for Baron money
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From reading this thread I'm getting the feeling that it's probably not the greatest idea to take a B-58 into 710m. It seems that one day you're going to get stung, badly. Unless of course the thread starter is confident that they will be on the ball every time.
I find it interesting that people would find it more acceptable to operate, say, an A36 Bonanza off the same strip but get very worked up about a B58.
A B58 MAUW is 53% heavier than an A36 yet it has 100% more power/thrust - a B58 is off the ground quicker and going like a dog shot up the ar$e. Landing the B58 might be 50% heavier/about 10kts faster and uses exactly the same wheels/brakes so takes longer to stop but still with 50% factoring in this case.
Lose an engine at 50' in a single and you're going down - lose one in a Baron at 50' you will (with appropriate initial/recurrent training) climb at 300+'/min. Lose an engine just before airborne in either aircraft and you're in just as much pooh - you'll probably stop if you haven't wasted too much strip getting to speed - if not pull the wheels up and slide off the end and you'll likely go off slow enough that injuries will be nil/minimal.
Strip length is not the issue here - its purely a financial issue - is the thread starter prepared to spend the money required to maintain the strip/aircraft/skills/discipline required to fly a Baron the way it was designed to be flown?
If not it wouldn't matter much if the strip was 1000m long.
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Used to land Islanders on 15 metre strips too, .. and sometimes even narrower when the incoming tide was surging well up the beach.. Just had to time it right between the surges.. and again for the takeoff.. or the patient would have had a bumpy road ride out overnight.
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Go for a Silver Eagle turbine 210
Good short field (advertised ground run 170m) and 210kts with an Allison 250
Price is around US$750,000 for an already converted one
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Found just the aircraft for the new aerodrome...mind you...some teething problems to iron out on the landing sequence...
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Fair point Chimbu.
I just think that the strip/aircraft/skills/discipline equation can be moved more in the piots favour by using an aircraft with more fat in the charts. I don't have any time in the Baron and was going off purely what i was reading. Just looking at it from a different angle.
I don't know the pilot here, he may well fly like Bob Hoover and be comfortable with your scenario. If so, or if he does commit as you say then all good. But by getting some more space he may not need to.
I just think that the strip/aircraft/skills/discipline equation can be moved more in the piots favour by using an aircraft with more fat in the charts. I don't have any time in the Baron and was going off purely what i was reading. Just looking at it from a different angle.
I don't know the pilot here, he may well fly like Bob Hoover and be comfortable with your scenario. If so, or if he does commit as you say then all good. But by getting some more space he may not need to.
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Mate of mine on a farm outside Port Lincoln years ago, used to have a 210 with a turbine in the nose. A Walther. Couldn't use full power on T.O., but it used to get off short. Cruise over the National Park was really smooth but only on half power or it would go through the Vne. Better than putting a 210 H.P. Continental in a 172..
Love the vid of the retro rockets firing and the Herc falling on in a heap. Saw a Yank Herc. land (fall) on with a full load of relief supplies once, and later heard when he got back to Guam he wouldn't be coming back on a second trip as the wing had cracks in it. Have had people come back into Beta before the wheels touch. No brownie points for that..
Love the vid of the retro rockets firing and the Herc falling on in a heap. Saw a Yank Herc. land (fall) on with a full load of relief supplies once, and later heard when he got back to Guam he wouldn't be coming back on a second trip as the wing had cracks in it. Have had people come back into Beta before the wheels touch. No brownie points for that..
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hi mates been taking an A36 into a 950m strip and doing it half d length. Currently the strip is restricted to one way in and out so been landing with mostly 10 to 15k tw. still stopping at lass than 700m .... Will be using a BE-58 anytime with this condition and will get back to this thread.....Im in the tropics......
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The B58 for the job is under development
http://www.rocketengineering.com/doc...ss_Release.pdf
500 horses per side and 4500 fpm roc ... Nice
if you have to settle for one engine give this one a go
http://www.turbinebonanza.com/images/flight4.jpg
http://www.rocketengineering.com/doc...ss_Release.pdf
500 horses per side and 4500 fpm roc ... Nice
if you have to settle for one engine give this one a go
http://www.turbinebonanza.com/images/flight4.jpg
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Back to the original thread . . . I chose not to respond earlier when all the technical information was being bandied around by those who know a lot of things. They could well be right.
But for me it is remarkably similar to a question I have faced a few times in my corporate career. If I am prompted to ask is “is this company solvent” the answer is always no - unless there is a compelling and overriding reason to the contrary.
Similarly, if the voice in my head asks “is this strip long enough” – the answer is always no!
Just my thoughts . . . and I too am Baron endorsed and can read the POH.
Cheers
Pedota
But for me it is remarkably similar to a question I have faced a few times in my corporate career. If I am prompted to ask is “is this company solvent” the answer is always no - unless there is a compelling and overriding reason to the contrary.
Similarly, if the voice in my head asks “is this strip long enough” – the answer is always no!
Just my thoughts . . . and I too am Baron endorsed and can read the POH.
Cheers
Pedota
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This is what you need!
TODR 300M, LDR less than 300M!
9 minutes to FL250 and 290+ knots TAS!
TODR 300M, LDR less than 300M!
9 minutes to FL250 and 290+ knots TAS!