Is it just me or...?
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sok,
You have stated you are not a commercial pilot, but want to tell us how to act when people like you try and big note themselves. Maybe not you, but as the CPL's on here have shown, it does happen. Often.
You think you know what we do and how we do it and can comment on the complexity of our occupation simply because you operate in a niche area of aviation. You don't and can't. That is the attitude of the PPL's we are talking about and have you ably demonstrated it to us.
It's not arrogance, it's pride in our work people.
You have stated you are not a commercial pilot, but want to tell us how to act when people like you try and big note themselves. Maybe not you, but as the CPL's on here have shown, it does happen. Often.
You think you know what we do and how we do it and can comment on the complexity of our occupation simply because you operate in a niche area of aviation. You don't and can't. That is the attitude of the PPL's we are talking about and have you ably demonstrated it to us.
It's not arrogance, it's pride in our work people.
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I just do all the checks on the run; the usual 'tmpfisch' before every take-off. If I haven't flown the aircraft that day, I check the mags/carby heat when lining up at the specified RPM. If I have, I'll check the mags at 1000 RPM.
And the spark plugs won't foul if you lean the mixture after start.
And the spark plugs won't foul if you lean the mixture after start.
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Air,
Your third paragraph. Was it pride or arrogance that guided how you wrote it? And before the red mist takes over, does this sound familiar?
Dress them up in a uniform and train them in the basics and within six months they think they know more than their peers, supervisors and senior management. The equipment is no longer good enough for them and they delight in ridiculing anyone they deem to be beneath them. And they still expect - no, demand respect. I've seen that attitude for nearly thirty years in a job that I do, so it’s not something that is unique to commercial aviation.
While I do have empathy for you and your comrades with having to deal with the loudmouths as described, it's going to happen with what ever you do and is no excuse for tarring every private or RAA pilot with the same brush. I think that you actually understand this, but pride is affecting your interpretation of what you're actually reading.
I've got a challenge for you too if your up for it. Review this and a few of the other threads where this sort of thing comes up. Read what was written and by whom. Then have a look through the poster's history to see what 'makes them tick'. There's a character trait and a pattern to the most vocal anti PPL/RAA posters. See if you can pick it.
TTFN
Your third paragraph. Was it pride or arrogance that guided how you wrote it? And before the red mist takes over, does this sound familiar?
Dress them up in a uniform and train them in the basics and within six months they think they know more than their peers, supervisors and senior management. The equipment is no longer good enough for them and they delight in ridiculing anyone they deem to be beneath them. And they still expect - no, demand respect. I've seen that attitude for nearly thirty years in a job that I do, so it’s not something that is unique to commercial aviation.
While I do have empathy for you and your comrades with having to deal with the loudmouths as described, it's going to happen with what ever you do and is no excuse for tarring every private or RAA pilot with the same brush. I think that you actually understand this, but pride is affecting your interpretation of what you're actually reading.
I've got a challenge for you too if your up for it. Review this and a few of the other threads where this sort of thing comes up. Read what was written and by whom. Then have a look through the poster's history to see what 'makes them tick'. There's a character trait and a pattern to the most vocal anti PPL/RAA posters. See if you can pick it.
TTFN
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SookPuppy,
I've held a PPL since the late 60's. a Senior Commercial and several ATP's for different countrys, and an Ultralight licence for a while, because I love flying and wanted to fly my brothers homebuilts. The thing that some who only want to be responsible for themselves, or for a maximum of one other person while having fun have difficulty with, is the fact that pilots doing a job are actually RESPONSIBLE for the safety and lives of those in their care. If that makes them feel good like a Liner Captain would after a safe passage, then that is a completely different feeling to what you would get after an afternoon on the water on a jetski. All the best.
I've held a PPL since the late 60's. a Senior Commercial and several ATP's for different countrys, and an Ultralight licence for a while, because I love flying and wanted to fly my brothers homebuilts. The thing that some who only want to be responsible for themselves, or for a maximum of one other person while having fun have difficulty with, is the fact that pilots doing a job are actually RESPONSIBLE for the safety and lives of those in their care. If that makes them feel good like a Liner Captain would after a safe passage, then that is a completely different feeling to what you would get after an afternoon on the water on a jetski. All the best.
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sok puppet, I am glad you can see my point as I can see yours. I am not anti PPL as others on here are, I have many friends who are PPL holders and there is a mutual respect for what each other do in our aircraft. I am actually envious of them due to the freedom of being able to fly where and when they want, with who they want. Myself on the other hand, I am restricted to going where the clients want, and in the most direct and efficient route for my boss.
I know what you are saying about dressing people up in uniform. I have experience in a few professions and the arrogance I see in some young people (and elders) stuns me. They feel that a paper qualification, or a job title makes them superior to everyone. When I work for them (and I used the phrase loosely, as often I or others stick it together) and they get to big for their shoes they are left to fall on their sword publicly. A quick lesson like that and 1 of 2 things happen. They pull their head in and become very good at there job, or they become resentful and I am just a prick to them since I didn't do there job for them.
I don't know have the time to read through various threads, but I feel I can see how/why this argument starts. A CPL makes a comment about 1 ******** PPL he encounters. A proud PPL makes a comment about CPL's. CPL's jump on the PPL's are dickheads bandwagon. So then all the PPL's are on one side, and the CPL's are on the other and we have a mexican stand off.
Which is what has happend here.
A few CPL's have made comments about bigmouthed/headed PPL's and how that annoys us. You, and some others have jumped on the 'CPL's are arrogant' bandwagon and people have caught up in mud slinging, which is not my way.
I can tell you that we as CPL's find those stories mentioned earlier entertaining for so many reasons. And PPL's would be embarrassed by them by the pride they feel in what they do.
So lets agree, regardless of qualification level(RAA, PPL, CPL, ATPL), some pilots are just plain
wits and can't be told.
PS: My third paragraph was pride in my profession.
I know what you are saying about dressing people up in uniform. I have experience in a few professions and the arrogance I see in some young people (and elders) stuns me. They feel that a paper qualification, or a job title makes them superior to everyone. When I work for them (and I used the phrase loosely, as often I or others stick it together) and they get to big for their shoes they are left to fall on their sword publicly. A quick lesson like that and 1 of 2 things happen. They pull their head in and become very good at there job, or they become resentful and I am just a prick to them since I didn't do there job for them.
I don't know have the time to read through various threads, but I feel I can see how/why this argument starts. A CPL makes a comment about 1 ******** PPL he encounters. A proud PPL makes a comment about CPL's. CPL's jump on the PPL's are dickheads bandwagon. So then all the PPL's are on one side, and the CPL's are on the other and we have a mexican stand off.
Which is what has happend here.
A few CPL's have made comments about bigmouthed/headed PPL's and how that annoys us. You, and some others have jumped on the 'CPL's are arrogant' bandwagon and people have caught up in mud slinging, which is not my way.
I can tell you that we as CPL's find those stories mentioned earlier entertaining for so many reasons. And PPL's would be embarrassed by them by the pride they feel in what they do.
So lets agree, regardless of qualification level(RAA, PPL, CPL, ATPL), some pilots are just plain
wits and can't be told.PS: My third paragraph was pride in my profession.
