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Old 1st Sep 2009, 08:08
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Pity they found him now I cant use this old joke.

What do you call 1 dead pollie? .....A good start
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maybe 'biggles' authorised another pig flight?
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Maybe it was Ben Buckley
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Old 1st Sep 2009, 09:25
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I reckon they will all say they found Timmy.

That way no-one knows who DID find him as then we would have someone to BLAME!

Another political cover up!!!! I mean, a lost politician, who WANTS to find one of those................
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Maybe it was Ben Buckley

Some "chance"!

Jack

PS Sorry - couldn't help it - love that expression ....
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"Joe" the cameraman!
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Old 1st Sep 2009, 10:10
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I heard the pilot of the helicopter interviewed on ABC Newsradio today at about 4pm. He said the missing person was waving to them on the ground. He didn't mention anything about using sophisticated spy technology .. just hand waving! LOL!

Here's the interview.
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Old 1st Sep 2009, 10:14
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The plot thickens - to again quote the HS -

What type of plane was it that spotted Victorian Water Minister Tim Holding stranded in the Victorian Alps?

In a statement on their website this morning the Victorian Police stated that an Australian Federal Police plane had spotted a light from Holding’s makeshift camp.

Yet this afternoon Victorian police have contacted news organisations telling them to remove any reference to the plane being an AFP plane with the reference taken out of the media release . What is going on here and who owns this plane?

According to the original statement on the police media website an AFP plane located a possible camp site overnight.

The possible site gave searchers a narrowed-down area to investigate this morning.

A camera from the Victoria Police helicopter confirmed Mr Holding’s position on the mountain.

But fVictorian Police have now contacted media outlets telling them to take out a mention of the AFP plane for “security reasons.”

So if it is an AFP plane and why all the secrecy? Well The Punch can find no mention in the AFP’s annual report that they have a plane, so if they do have a plane it doesn’t appear to be on the public record.

Of course the plane may not be owned by the AFP at all.

It could be an Air Force plane, but then why not just come out and say it was an airforce plane unless it was an Air Force plane we’re not supposed to know about.

At the risk of sounding conspiratorial, we could be talking about another Commonwealth organisation that owns planes and doesn’t talk about it - say one of our spy organisations.

The point here is not whether the plane should have been used in locating Mr Holding, obviously any way they could have found him is a good way.

The question is why can’t we know about it given that we’ve funded the search? And secondly, would the same plane be used if you or I were lost in the bush? Is this a plane brought out for Ministers who manage to get lost in the bush.
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Old 1st Sep 2009, 10:18
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ELB???

Without sounding 'Sour Grapes'......

"I'm going for walk, and I may be gone some time".....

I wonder if this 'Experienced hiker' has ever heard of an ELB?

Could have been all over in a couple of hours.....
Imagine the anguish that may have saved his family.

And, yep! For the 'nockers'.....I have two, one for the boat, and one for the
4WD, which is small enough to carry on a 'hike'.

Cheers
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Old 1st Sep 2009, 10:32
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Just imagine.....
If the silly little man had an ELB in his top pocket......

Could have saved his family a lot of anguish....and been 'over' in a couple of hours??

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Old 1st Sep 2009, 10:34
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Holding Spotted by Aircraft

Anyone know what aircraft was used to trace the missing Minister at night? As far as I know no conventional aircraft could fly over the area due to weather. Can satellites detect tiny lights or body heat? Could aircraft like fighter jets or Orions etc go slow enough to detect a single human? Would love to know what is possible.
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Old 1st Sep 2009, 10:40
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Originally Posted by lexicon90
Could aircraft like fighter jets or Orions etc go slow enough to detect a single human? Would love to know what is possible.
I don't know about military, but the lowest you can go down at night is the lowest safe altitude which is 1000 ft above the highest spot height/obstacle in the vicinity.
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Old 1st Sep 2009, 10:50
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Anyway glad to hear he's well. I was up on Feathertop a month ago for a few days by myself (although with my iceaxe!) It's a beautiful - almost spiritual -place to be alone in winter. Good to see people getting out there and glad the issue of the cost of his rescue is not making waves here as it has in many other areas. Probably 'cos rescuing people keeps a lot of people here in a job!

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Old 1st Sep 2009, 10:59
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Holding Rescue

Yeah - I have no issue whatsoever with the cost of his rescue - that's why we have technology, and what price can you put on human life anyway?

But I do have an issue with being treated like a school kid by the official channels. If it was a spy plane, the authorities should tell us. We're grown-ups. We can handle it.

And if resources were deployed that normally would not be, again, tell us. Say it was justified because of his importance to the government. We might not agree, but so be it. But don't pretend it didn't happen, or that it was a private aircraft. Just tell the truth.
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Old 1st Sep 2009, 11:12
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There were reports it was Channel 7 chopper. Can't verify it.
Channel 9 claimed their chopper found him. Even had an interview with their chopper pilot... with nice labels all over the screen "first at 9" blabla...

lame
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Old 1st Sep 2009, 11:26
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Maybe this phantom aircraft aircraft is like the ones that you see at Las Vegas that fly to the non-existent area-51 with their fake rego's. I sense a conspiracy.

With regard to the weather, I suspect it cleared up at night enough for a fixed wing but choppers generally don't do S&R at night except for Polair and the big twins and there isn't many of those around those parts.
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Old 1st Sep 2009, 11:29
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Yeah it was reported first off as being an AFP aircraft, then Vic Police media requested media outlets withdraw the "AFP" bit and the aircraft became a private aircraft... and then it became a C7 Chopper... and now its a C9 Chopper!!


Perhaps it is some AFP skullduggery... Nice caravan anyway.
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Old 1st Sep 2009, 11:36
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Your mixing it all up - the aircraft noone wants to talk about that supposedly located his torchlight was last night.

The "discovery" of him this morning (ie confirmed sighting him) is variously claimed by several media outlets.
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Old 1st Sep 2009, 11:58
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It's getting interesting....

What kind of plane spied Tim Holding last night? | Article | The Punch

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Old 1st Sep 2009, 12:01
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Lateral thinking..it could have even been a DSE aircraft with IR firespotting gear.....however, the little snippet of the light shining inside a tent is a bit of a giveaway to something more sophisticated.

Anyway...the guy did good. If he was lost above the snow line the first thing to do is get below it and hunker down for the night...in his case two nights. Those extra few degrees of temp make a world of difference...

Hey Stalllie....I thought you would have got enough of that icy solitude in your day job
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