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If you sit in the right seat of a saab/dash/whatever for 4 years you learn the same command lessons as going via GA. You just get to do it with a coffee top of climb. Been there, doing it, and if you are paying close attention you'll come out ready for command
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Pretty standard responses really, assuming you all know my (and for that matter, all cadets) experiences and capabilities based on what exactly? Thats right, assumptions. For example I can see it is assumed I'm a teenager or something, when seriously, I WISH I was a teenager it was that long ago...
The only guys that I see post regularly that have any real experience flying with cadets seem to be pretty positive about it. Sure, there are some deluded individuals in there, but at a ratio higher than the rest of the pilot body? Doubt it! The rest of you just assume somone who hasn't driven a crappy bugsmasher with limited adherance to SOP's and checking oversight for a squillion hours can't make command decisions. So assume away my friends, the gnashing of teeth and wails of dismay won't change what will eventually catch up to the rules surrounding ATPL and icus. And when it does, the test will be passing the command upgrade, not your opinions and assumptions. Until it does catch up ppl like me will simply move up to high cap rpt and avoid this ridiculous pissing contest, eventually earn a command, and STILL have the same "lack of experience."
cheerio.
The only guys that I see post regularly that have any real experience flying with cadets seem to be pretty positive about it. Sure, there are some deluded individuals in there, but at a ratio higher than the rest of the pilot body? Doubt it! The rest of you just assume somone who hasn't driven a crappy bugsmasher with limited adherance to SOP's and checking oversight for a squillion hours can't make command decisions. So assume away my friends, the gnashing of teeth and wails of dismay won't change what will eventually catch up to the rules surrounding ATPL and icus. And when it does, the test will be passing the command upgrade, not your opinions and assumptions. Until it does catch up ppl like me will simply move up to high cap rpt and avoid this ridiculous pissing contest, eventually earn a command, and STILL have the same "lack of experience."
cheerio.
Well DEFATO, assumptions all around then
As a cadet, how can you know this apart from...assumptions...gee that's a surprise.
Awesome, another useless assumption. Keep digging that hole, please It's entertaining the facets of this industry you have no idea about,
And continue to fly from the RHS, safe in the knowledge that by paying for your cadetship, you are helping to destroy the industry...
So incredibly sure of one-self huh? Hope that comes across in that High Capacity AOC Interview.
I never assumed you were a teenager, I did assume you were a moron. I assumed correctly it would seem.
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If you sit in the right seat of a saab/dash/whatever for 4 years you learn the same command lessons as going via GA. You just get to do it with a coffee top of climb.
Doubt it! The rest of you just assume somone who hasn't driven a crappy bugsmasher with limited adherance to SOP's and checking oversight for a squillion hours can't make command decisions.
So assume away my friends, the gnashing of teeth and wails of dismay won't change what will eventually catch up to the rules surrounding ATPL and icus.
Until it does catch up ppl like me will simply move up to high cap rpt
I never assumed you were a teenager, I did assume you were a moron. I assumed correctly it would seem.
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the test will be passing the command upgrade
and if you are paying close attention you'll come out ready for command,
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I'm only a rookie, but assumptions aside, everyone here seems to be way over generalizing. find me an incompetent ga captain I'll find you a the same from cadets and vice versa.
from my limited experience all I know for sure in aviation that the pilots skill reflects alot more about the individual and his/her efforts than the avenue they take...
from my limited experience all I know for sure in aviation that the pilots skill reflects alot more about the individual and his/her efforts than the avenue they take...
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The rest of you just assume somone who hasn't driven a crappy bugsmasher with limited adherance to SOP's and checking oversight for a squillion hours can't make command decisions. So assume away my friends, the gnashing of teeth and wails of dismay won't change what will eventually catch up to the rules surrounding ATPL and icus. And when it does, the test will be passing the command upgrade, not your opinions and assumptions. Until it does catch up ppl like me will simply move up to high cap rpt and avoid this ridiculous pissing contest, eventually earn a command, and STILL have the same "lack of experience."
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i'm amused by blokes who have this hatred for cadets, hate the the system, not the guys trying to get into the industry by the only means financially viable to them...
not the guys trying to get into the industry by the only means financially viable to them
hate the the system
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as previously stated, you amuse me 
go hate on some more 18 year old "newbies" signing onto 7 yr bonds at under 40k because they're taking the "easy" road in only to finish with less than any RPT's minima of multi ir command... tell you what they sure are some greedy little buggers...
go hate on some more 18 year old "newbies" signing onto 7 yr bonds at under 40k because they're taking the "easy" road in only to finish with less than any RPT's minima of multi ir command... tell you what they sure are some greedy little buggers...
get back to us in 6 years time when you are still warming the RHS Possible Cadet. Enthusiasm will have long worn off and those rose coloured glasses will have turned a much darker shade of red.....
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Right. So why blame cadets for something which to them appears to be the way into a career they want, and by all accounts of this forum they will be screwed over by anyway? Yes, it may be galling to have someone who has not come though the traditional path into that position, but it is not their fault the position is there in the first place - its the airline who chooses to offer that position for their own bottom line.
The only way I ever see that changing is if the minimums for being in that RHS are increased to a point where it becomes infeasible for an operator to offer a cadetship of sufficient duration to meet those requirements.
The only way I ever see that changing is if the minimums for being in that RHS are increased to a point where it becomes infeasible for an operator to offer a cadetship of sufficient duration to meet those requirements.
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The only way I ever see that changing is if the minimums for being in that RHS are increased to a point where it becomes infeasible for an operator to offer a cadetship of sufficient duration to meet those requirements.
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I don't blame the airlines for running cadet schemes. Who would want to hire pretend GA pilots who whinge and whine about what they call "clapped out bugsmaashers" and the terrible bosses who won't buy jets for them to fly. Too many have very negative attitudes and only intend to stay for a short priod.
The flood of these negative GA pilots has killed the goose that laid the golden egg.
If you want a good aviation job you need a sensible, positive attitude, and a long term committment.
If you don't, you won't.
The flood of these negative GA pilots has killed the goose that laid the golden egg.
If you want a good aviation job you need a sensible, positive attitude, and a long term committment.
If you don't, you won't.
Originally Posted by catas420
i believe the ICUS hours are still only attainable with check/training, that is unless the s340 can be reclassified as high AOC in which case any captain can conduct ICUS... which is apparently another battle they're having with Casa at the moment or so i have herd...
ICUS can be accrued in any aircraft type, in any type of operation, private, aerial work, charter, LCRPT, and HCRPT, see CAR 5.40, esp para 1(e) and 1(f). Take note that under CAR 5.40 it is the operator (i.e. Rex), not the Captain, or the C&T department that decides if a pilot is to log ICUS.
This is normally done by way of the operations manual, it will have a statement to the effect that co-pilots when it is their leg, they can (not must) log ICUS or for command training. For a normal line flight it would be spell out that the Captain is the PIC, for command training, it will also spell out who is the PIC.
Under CAR 5.172, para (2)(a)(iii) requires a pilot to have 70 hours command for the issue of an ATPL (which you have from the CPL) if they have 180 hours ICUS (to meet the 250 hours total command/ICUS) and the other boxes ticked for the 1500 hours total.
Under CAO 82.3 Appendix 4, the requirements to be the PIC is an ATPL, MECIR, 2000 hrs TT, of which 500 hrs PIC/ICUS MEIFR, 50 hrs ICUS on type, 100 hours at night.