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Old 19th Aug 2010, 00:05
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If you sit in the right seat of a saab/dash/whatever for 4 years you learn the same command lessons as going via GA. You just get to do it with a coffee top of climb. Been there, doing it, and if you are paying close attention you'll come out ready for command, and you'll know thats the case when the cockpit gradient suddenly goes from right to left when the captain has lost SA or is having a bad day and without a word being said the FO is making the calls.

When this stuff happens the FO will realise the cadet scheme they've been through works and its time to start looking for command. IMO its about time some changes were made so professional FO's can make the step up without going backwards first.

WRT rex c&t resisting icus change, thats standard rex empire building mentality; it'll be a seen as a reduction of their "power" to allow other capts to do their job, and they wont like it. I do think though that c&t need to approve which cadets can start on icus because not all will be ready at a set number of hours due different ability levels.

(formerly a cadet not with rex but in their system so aware of the issues and in the same boat as cadets wrt command upgrade)
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Old 19th Aug 2010, 00:11
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Are cadets just awesome, he's even telling us how awesome he is!
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Old 19th Aug 2010, 00:29
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If awesome means being able to do your job, then yeah, awesome.
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Old 19th Aug 2010, 02:22
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If you sit in the right seat of a saab/dash/whatever for 4 years you learn the same command lessons as going via GA. You just get to do it with a coffee top of climb. Been there, doing it, and if you are paying close attention you'll come out ready for command
Same as walking a tight rope while it is lying on the ground isn't it, reality is a bit different sonny.
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Old 19th Aug 2010, 02:58
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Well DEFATO, I hope your profile name never happens to you, cause you'll have more than hot coffee spilt on your pants
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Old 19th Aug 2010, 07:52
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Pretty standard responses really, assuming you all know my (and for that matter, all cadets) experiences and capabilities based on what exactly? Thats right, assumptions. For example I can see it is assumed I'm a teenager or something, when seriously, I WISH I was a teenager it was that long ago...

The only guys that I see post regularly that have any real experience flying with cadets seem to be pretty positive about it. Sure, there are some deluded individuals in there, but at a ratio higher than the rest of the pilot body? Doubt it! The rest of you just assume somone who hasn't driven a crappy bugsmasher with limited adherance to SOP's and checking oversight for a squillion hours can't make command decisions. So assume away my friends, the gnashing of teeth and wails of dismay won't change what will eventually catch up to the rules surrounding ATPL and icus. And when it does, the test will be passing the command upgrade, not your opinions and assumptions. Until it does catch up ppl like me will simply move up to high cap rpt and avoid this ridiculous pissing contest, eventually earn a command, and STILL have the same "lack of experience."

cheerio.
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Old 19th Aug 2010, 08:25
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Well DEFATO, assumptions all around then

If you sit in the right seat of a saab/dash/whatever for 4 years you learn the same command lessons as going via GA. You just get to do it with a coffee top of climb.
As a cadet, how can you know this apart from...assumptions...gee that's a surprise.

Doubt it! The rest of you just assume somone who hasn't driven a crappy bugsmasher with limited adherance to SOP's and checking oversight for a squillion hours can't make command decisions.
Awesome, another useless assumption. Keep digging that hole, please It's entertaining the facets of this industry you have no idea about,

So assume away my friends, the gnashing of teeth and wails of dismay won't change what will eventually catch up to the rules surrounding ATPL and icus.
And continue to fly from the RHS, safe in the knowledge that by paying for your cadetship, you are helping to destroy the industry...

Until it does catch up ppl like me will simply move up to high cap rpt
So incredibly sure of one-self huh? Hope that comes across in that High Capacity AOC Interview.

I never assumed you were a teenager, I did assume you were a moron. I assumed correctly it would seem.

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Old 19th Aug 2010, 09:46
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the test will be passing the command upgrade
and if you are paying close attention you'll come out ready for command,
really... your ready for command when you can keep your cool, and make the correct decision when the shit REALLY hits the fan and you come out of the experience, Alive, and with an intact aircraft , not when you pass some test in a simulator.
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Old 19th Aug 2010, 10:39
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I'm only a rookie, but assumptions aside, everyone here seems to be way over generalizing. find me an incompetent ga captain I'll find you a the same from cadets and vice versa.

from my limited experience all I know for sure in aviation that the pilots skill reflects alot more about the individual and his/her efforts than the avenue they take...
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Old 22nd Aug 2010, 13:14
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The rest of you just assume somone who hasn't driven a crappy bugsmasher with limited adherance to SOP's and checking oversight for a squillion hours can't make command decisions. So assume away my friends, the gnashing of teeth and wails of dismay won't change what will eventually catch up to the rules surrounding ATPL and icus. And when it does, the test will be passing the command upgrade, not your opinions and assumptions. Until it does catch up ppl like me will simply move up to high cap rpt and avoid this ridiculous pissing contest, eventually earn a command, and STILL have the same "lack of experience."
Your personallity on display here is a classic example of why some people need to buy a job and would be incapable of getting their first job otherwise.
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Old 25th Aug 2010, 11:16
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i'm amused by blokes who have this hatred for cadets, hate the the system, not the guys trying to get into the industry by the only means financially viable to them...
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Old 25th Aug 2010, 12:11
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not the guys trying to get into the industry by the only means financially viable to them
Oh please spare me the 'this is the only way I can wheel my flight bag around and wear a peak cap'. Those who truly want it, do it, just like they did before cadetships.

hate the the system
Did you stop to think that maybe these cadets feed the system newbie?

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Old 5th Sep 2010, 12:24
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as previously stated, you amuse me

go hate on some more 18 year old "newbies" signing onto 7 yr bonds at under 40k because they're taking the "easy" road in only to finish with less than any RPT's minima of multi ir command... tell you what they sure are some greedy little buggers...
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Old 6th Sep 2010, 01:13
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What a tool
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Old 6th Sep 2010, 05:56
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you can brag about your 1000 hours (and only 70 of it being command)
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Old 11th Sep 2010, 09:58
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get back to us in 6 years time when you are still warming the RHS Possible Cadet. Enthusiasm will have long worn off and those rose coloured glasses will have turned a much darker shade of red.....
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Old 11th Sep 2010, 12:37
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Right. So why blame cadets for something which to them appears to be the way into a career they want, and by all accounts of this forum they will be screwed over by anyway? Yes, it may be galling to have someone who has not come though the traditional path into that position, but it is not their fault the position is there in the first place - its the airline who chooses to offer that position for their own bottom line.

The only way I ever see that changing is if the minimums for being in that RHS are increased to a point where it becomes infeasible for an operator to offer a cadetship of sufficient duration to meet those requirements.
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Old 11th Sep 2010, 12:50
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The only way I ever see that changing is if the minimums for being in that RHS are increased to a point where it becomes infeasible for an operator to offer a cadetship of sufficient duration to meet those requirements.
I guess that will only happen when we have a Colgan like accident, but by then it'll be too late.
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Old 12th Sep 2010, 14:42
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*yawn*. lots of broken records around here...
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Old 13th Sep 2010, 00:59
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I don't blame the airlines for running cadet schemes. Who would want to hire pretend GA pilots who whinge and whine about what they call "clapped out bugsmaashers" and the terrible bosses who won't buy jets for them to fly. Too many have very negative attitudes and only intend to stay for a short priod.
The flood of these negative GA pilots has killed the goose that laid the golden egg.
If you want a good aviation job you need a sensible, positive attitude, and a long term committment.
If you don't, you won't.
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