What is it about the C180/185
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VH-ECV was still going strong, looking very nice and not many hours on the clock as of a couple of months ago. Still based in Northern TAS.
Should have ponied up the cash to fly her when I had then chance
Should have ponied up the cash to fly her when I had then chance
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This has to be the best thread on pprune, tell me, I have never had the chance to fly the 180/185. Are they both six people including the pilot, so the size of a 206 or more cramped. I have been thinking about operating one in the future I have plenty of tail wheel time just not on these fantastic machines.
So could you with a pod fitted take similar loads to a 206 in a 185 and what is the cruise speed generally.
Thanks
So could you with a pod fitted take similar loads to a 206 in a 185 and what is the cruise speed generally.
Thanks
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The last C180
I believed the last new C180 sold in Australia was VH-FLS owned by Arthur Fane of "Fanes Landrover Spares" from Nambour QLD.
Somewhere about 1982/4, but I could be wrong. And they were all manual flap to the end.
Somewhere about 1982/4, but I could be wrong. And they were all manual flap to the end.
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I know there used to be loads in NZ back in the day but why not now is it that the 206 is easier for maintenance or is it a lack of good tail wheel pilots around. So I still would like to know if the 185 and 206 are comparable in pax and load etc.
I still would like to know if the 185 and 206 are comparable in pax and load etc.
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Wildpilot the C185 v C206 runs something like this.
Same engine much bigger/roomier/heavier cabin/aircraft in the 206.
C185 performs better than 206 in all respects.
C185 will lift more weight out of rough, marginal strips.
C206 easier to load - I have carried two 44 gallon drums in a C185 buts its a pain loading them and unloading.
C185 is a MUCH tougher aircraft - C206s tend to lose the odd nosegear. Yes 185s lose the odd tailwheel but the result is DRAMATICALLY less expensive.
Outside of niche markets - i.e. REAL bush flying - the C206 is probably the more economically viable aircraft.
While the 185 is undoubtedly a MUCH harder aeroplane than the 206 to fly well oddly enough it is MY view (shared by many I trained) that it was an easier aircraft to take in and out of short/rough/steep strips than a C206 once you knew how to fly them. C206s must be treated gently/are speed sensitive less you damage the firewall/rip out the nosegear - 185s you can just throw on the ground.
Same engine much bigger/roomier/heavier cabin/aircraft in the 206.
C185 performs better than 206 in all respects.
C185 will lift more weight out of rough, marginal strips.
C206 easier to load - I have carried two 44 gallon drums in a C185 buts its a pain loading them and unloading.
C185 is a MUCH tougher aircraft - C206s tend to lose the odd nosegear. Yes 185s lose the odd tailwheel but the result is DRAMATICALLY less expensive.
Outside of niche markets - i.e. REAL bush flying - the C206 is probably the more economically viable aircraft.
While the 185 is undoubtedly a MUCH harder aeroplane than the 206 to fly well oddly enough it is MY view (shared by many I trained) that it was an easier aircraft to take in and out of short/rough/steep strips than a C206 once you knew how to fly them. C206s must be treated gently/are speed sensitive less you damage the firewall/rip out the nosegear - 185s you can just throw on the ground.
This has to be the best thread on PPRuNe, tell me, I have never had the chance to fly the 180/185. Are they both six people including the pilot, so the size of a 206 or more cramped. I have been thinking about operating one in the future I have plenty of tail wheel time just not on these fantastic machines.
So could you with a pod fitted take similar loads to a 206 in a 185 and what is the cruise speed generally.
So could you with a pod fitted take similar loads to a 206 in a 185 and what is the cruise speed generally.
The rear seats in the C185 are not for long flights or large people. Two standard Aussie or Kiwi blokes would not fit in the rear seat (unless they are very friendly) let alone manage to get into the rear seat compartment.
For basic commercial operations (A to A operations or good condition airstrip operations) the C206 is a much better aircraft if you need to carry 5 pax or large bulky loads. If trying to make money from light air transport operations the C206 is the far better aircraft.
Where the C185 really shines is very rough strips, beaches, or bare paddocks. With a cargo pod the C185 will carry similar loads (weight wise, five pax plus baggage) to a clean C206 (A C206 with a cargo pod will still carry more) but the C185 has better manners and is nicer to pole at MAUW that a C206.
In Summary: A C185 for fun and a C206 for Mon!
Speed wise clean they are very similar at about 125 to 135 knots at MAUW though there such a large variation between the same types that it is hard to find an "average". I have operated two C206 that were built one year apart and with the same equipment but the 77 model was always faster by about 6%.
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Zac21,
gidday. Longtime no hear.
The last 180 ever made, is VH-MQQ. It lives down in SE Qld somewhere.
You are correct about the ex "Arfur" Fane Machine. It lives near Coonamble, these days.
C100,
IMHO, the 185 would be a bit faster than the 206. Mine turns out 143 ktas at 2300/24, No pod and 800-6 tyres.
The last 206 (good order) I flew only managed around 130ktas.
I use the 185 on charter occasionally (as pilot/3pax). It is not a great revenue generator compared to the 210, but it is no more costly to run, than a C182. It will carry more (legally) and is faster than same.
It does, however, shine in the rough and dirty work. Performance, robust airframe and simple systems.
cheers,
185.
gidday. Longtime no hear.
The last 180 ever made, is VH-MQQ. It lives down in SE Qld somewhere.
You are correct about the ex "Arfur" Fane Machine. It lives near Coonamble, these days.
C100,
IMHO, the 185 would be a bit faster than the 206. Mine turns out 143 ktas at 2300/24, No pod and 800-6 tyres.
The last 206 (good order) I flew only managed around 130ktas.
I use the 185 on charter occasionally (as pilot/3pax). It is not a great revenue generator compared to the 210, but it is no more costly to run, than a C182. It will carry more (legally) and is faster than same.
It does, however, shine in the rough and dirty work. Performance, robust airframe and simple systems.
cheers,
185.
I once flew a near new U206G in the early 1980's that had only 300 hours on the clock and it could not get above 125 with a load on. This thing was a total dog from the day it was made. Yet a 1970 vintage U206F that I flew a lot on ATO would always do 135 with a full load. All of the other C206 aircraft I have operated fell somewhere in between.
I think that 185's are the same, some are born fast at the factory. There are a few that I can keep up with in an early O-470 J C180, and some that just blast away like a dog shot in the a*se
I think that 185's are the same, some are born fast at the factory. There are a few that I can keep up with in an early O-470 J C180, and some that just blast away like a dog shot in the a*se
Silly Old Git
Doug the kiwi TAL engineer told me to go stand way out in front of VH-GKI a 185 and have a good look
Holy Sh*t the wing looked like a propellor
That was the reason for the wing drop on landing and general pig performance
They had rebuilt the wing on the hangar floor without a jig!
Holy Sh*t the wing looked like a propellor
That was the reason for the wing drop on landing and general pig performance
They had rebuilt the wing on the hangar floor without a jig!
C100,
I know of one C180 with a IO-550 installed. Owner reckons he gets in excess of 150 ktas. I know a couple of the early 180s with the 88" props take some beating.
I know of one C180 with a IO-550 installed. Owner reckons he gets in excess of 150 ktas. I know a couple of the early 180s with the 88" props take some beating.
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A C180/185 with an IO-550 has to be one of the best engine/airframe combination out there.
If I had to take the choice between a 185 and a 206 I would take the older girl every day.
If I had to take the choice between a 185 and a 206 I would take the older girl every day.