Merged: Qantas 737 wing inspection lights on for take-off
If it's SOP then you're snookered, BUT I would have though some airmanship would dictate you switch it off if it's about to blind some poor guy you're taxiing past. I'm yet to see a company that doesn't use the taxi light, yet most guys usually switch it off if you're approaching head on as a courtesy until you've past!
Just carry one of those 2 million candle power flashlights around with you. Next time you get blinded at the holding point, point and illuminate!!! You'll certainly get some attention...
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Can't help myself.
ICAO Recommendation, taken up by FAA, Euro whatsy and whoever's in charge of Australian Regulation this week, and we're going to adhere to it, or not, depending on how we feel.?
Tad difficult to defend, I suspect
ICAO Recommendation, taken up by FAA, Euro whatsy and whoever's in charge of Australian Regulation this week, and we're going to adhere to it, or not, depending on how we feel.?
Tad difficult to defend, I suspect
If it's SOP then you're snookered, BUT I would have though some airmanship would dictate you switch it off if it's about to blind some poor guy you're taxiing past. I'm yet to see a company that doesn't use the taxi light, yet most guys usually switch it off if you're approaching head on as a courtesy until you've past!
This policy is clearly far from optimal, as all this butthurt indicates. And it's probably worse by a 737 as those lights are very bright and at a bad angle (would love em as a taxi light, a little better than the 'torch'), but do you really think assuming these blokes(&blokettes) are just being arrogant and venting on pprune is the best strategy? Man up and put in some paper! Give the suckers in the office some work to do!
/rant. (bloody EPs study!!)
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Sykes good to see that you have a firm grasp of the English lingo and one day that fact might earn you the privi to blind others or be blinded, 'till then tallyho.
Keg, it looks like it has been a while for you, but despite what the ''Eurochantels'' say, BA aren't lit up nor are the stateside carriers or any of the other carriers that you mention especially at Sydney, however logic seems to prevail over recommendations. It is a recommendation and not a mandate.
A change comes from within.I don't want to tarnish everyone at the Q with the same brush of illogic but the regulars on here seem to be out to justify the unjustifiable. Like most things it will take a lot of effort to change something through the channels especially if there is a lone voice.
PPRUNe might just be able to convey the message and evoke the logic from some in the know,wouldn't it?
Post a copy of this argument/plea in your crew room just like you have done with the post of the grateful passenger and his kid.
Keg, it looks like it has been a while for you, but despite what the ''Eurochantels'' say, BA aren't lit up nor are the stateside carriers or any of the other carriers that you mention especially at Sydney, however logic seems to prevail over recommendations. It is a recommendation and not a mandate.
A change comes from within.I don't want to tarnish everyone at the Q with the same brush of illogic but the regulars on here seem to be out to justify the unjustifiable. Like most things it will take a lot of effort to change something through the channels especially if there is a lone voice.
PPRUNe might just be able to convey the message and evoke the logic from some in the know,wouldn't it?
Post a copy of this argument/plea in your crew room just like you have done with the post of the grateful passenger and his kid.
Sykes good to see that you have a firm grasp of the English lingo and one day that fact might earn you the privi to blind others or be blinded, 'till then tallyho.
don't grasp the lingo too firmly now
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funnier!
Maybe we can get to funniest by the end of the night?? 
And tootle pip to you, old bean.
FWIW, the "light twins" I fly often find me being blinded by QF aircraft. What do I do?
I LOOK AWAY!
I also realised that at the big Q, most people do as they are told, whether they agree or not. Ergo, if these a/c have their wing/ice lights on, then they are doing it because there has been a change in their SOP's. I'm pretty certain that the individual pilots don't get much of a say in these.
Really? I don't see anyone here trying to justify anything. Q pilots are posting here EXPLAINING why they do it (against their wishes, it seems) and NOT justifying the practice!
They've also pointed out to you that they've also complained, etc, without any change to the policy!
English NOT your first language, and obviously lacking in how Q management react to suggestions from tech crew as well... 
keep it coming...
Sykes good to see that you have a firm grasp of the English lingo and one day that fact might earn you the privi to blind others or be blinded, 'till then tallyho.
FWIW, the "light twins" I fly often find me being blinded by QF aircraft. What do I do?
I LOOK AWAY!
I also realised that at the big Q, most people do as they are told, whether they agree or not. Ergo, if these a/c have their wing/ice lights on, then they are doing it because there has been a change in their SOP's. I'm pretty certain that the individual pilots don't get much of a say in these.
I don't want to tarnish everyone at the Q with the same brush of illogic but the regulars on here seem to be out to justify the unjustifiable.
They've also pointed out to you that they've also complained, etc, without any change to the policy!
PPRUNe might just be able to convey the message and evoke the logic from some in the know,wouldn't it?
keep it coming...
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Strobes on ground
Mount Cook's ATR72's have white strobing beacons.
Typical fuzzy early morning at NZCH few weeks back, behind one at hold and had to ask atc to get him to turn it off. Was flashing straight at us as we are about his tail height.
Think they have a the ability to turn the tail one off and leave the belly one on.
They are easy to spot at night when everythings flashing.
Ever been close to an A380 - dunno how many 'wing lights' they have, but they are very Las Vegas like at night! Though the LED's are cool!
Typical fuzzy early morning at NZCH few weeks back, behind one at hold and had to ask atc to get him to turn it off. Was flashing straight at us as we are about his tail height.
Think they have a the ability to turn the tail one off and leave the belly one on.
They are easy to spot at night when everythings flashing.
Ever been close to an A380 - dunno how many 'wing lights' they have, but they are very Las Vegas like at night! Though the LED's are cool!
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At PR it used to be SOP to turn on the wing lights along with the landing lights just before takeoff and leave them on until TOC. They came on again at TOD and stayed on until vacating the runway. This was applicable day and night!
Now they're on from pushback until 10,000 feet and from 10,000 feet until parking, but only at night.
Speculation about why the SOP was changed ranged from compliance with ICAO SARPs to saving money on light bulbs.
Now they're on from pushback until 10,000 feet and from 10,000 feet until parking, but only at night.
Speculation about why the SOP was changed ranged from compliance with ICAO SARPs to saving money on light bulbs.
