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Old 6th Aug 2009, 01:29
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DJ, you won't be dealing with Trikes and those type of aircraft because they most probably wont have the approved engine.

An approved engine will most probably consist of a Rotax or Jabiru 4 stroke motor. No modified car motors or 2 stroke engines.

And give these pilots some credit because it would be common sense NOT to put an aircraft like that into a major airport unless it is an emergency.

Besides, I've seen C152's and C172's coming into YPPH, YMML and even YSSY on a number of occasions all under the VH register, so what are your thoughts on those pilots?
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Old 6th Aug 2009, 01:39
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Golly gosh I go away for a few days and look where the conversation leads to

I'd like to summarise where we are at:

- GA don't want RAA in CTA and think RAA are tossers.
- Some RAA want CTA and think that GA is full of tossers
- Some school in Adelaide that we've never heard of trains the best RAA pilots in Australia that never get lost and you'd want them in CTA
- A Cirrus SR22 did or didn't take off into a thunderstorm at Narromine
- RAA thinks that CASA don't want them in GAAP because it will be too busy
- Some dual licenced guy didn't realise he didn't have a CTA stamp
- RAA are optimistic that they will get the endorsement one day
- VFR lanes could be a solution, considering the premise of RAA wanting the endorsement primarily for safe the transit of CTA in dangerous areas
- GAAP's aren't full CTA but it won't matter soon anyway

All in all, an interesting conversation for which there are no definitive andwers because none of us are the CEO of CASA
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Old 6th Aug 2009, 01:52
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Love ya work XXX
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Old 6th Aug 2009, 01:55
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And give these pilots some credit because it would be common sense NOT to put an aircraft like that into a major airport unless it is an emergency.
the thing about common sense is it's not very common


Besides, I've seen C152's and C172's coming into YPPH, YMML and even YSSY on a number of occasions all under the VH register, so what are your thoughts on those pilots?
that might be part of their CTA endorsement although unfortunately there's idiots in both camps....


nicely summarized VH-XXX
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Old 6th Aug 2009, 03:05
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"A Cirrus SR22 did or didn't take off into a thunderstorm at Narromine"

Not so fast.

After looking at the accusations made here and on the "Soggy Natfly" thread on the other site, and the safe transit of the aircraft involved, it would seem to me that the probability is that he didn't take off into a thunderstorm - unless you have more information?
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XXX, You're world famous on the wreck flying site as anti RAA. Thought that was quite funny...
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I thought they were all too busy discussing their full flap takeoffs, subaru engines, increasing mtow and owner maintenance to bother reading here
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Old 6th Aug 2009, 06:53
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I say give 'em all GAAP endorsements...They get their fun for a year and then GAAP turns into Class D! - back to square one!

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I think you'll find a lot more owner maintained Subaru engines in the CASA experimental category than in RAA aircraft. And there are more than enough stories of these pretending everything is fine and dandy and hapily flying into CTA. (And not falling out of the sky, I might add)
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Old 6th Aug 2009, 07:00
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Some RAA want CTA and think that GA is full of tossers
Nope, some think there are some tossers. You see, that is the difference: quite a few in GA see the bottom end of RA-Aus and assume everyone acts like that.

RA-Aus flyers see the bottom end of GA and assume ... that it's the bottom end.
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Old 6th Aug 2009, 07:23
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I think you'll find a lot more owner maintained Subaru engines in the CASA experimental category than in RAA aircraft.
If you are going to make BOLD statements like that Baswell, be prepared to back them up.

There are 19 Foxcon Terriers on the RA-Aus aircraft register of which most are fitted with Subaru EA81 engines. This doesn't include the PLETHORA of other aircraft with Subaru engines.

There are 2,874 aircraft on the RAA register. If I said there 30 on there with Subaru engines (being lenient for your sake) that's 1.04% Subaru engines of the total.

There are ONLY 15 Subaru powered aircraft on the whole CASA register.

There are 13,533 aircraft on the CASA register of which 15 have Subaru, so that's .11%.

Do your maths and get back to me.


FRP RJ FRANCIS EA 81
NIE NIEUPORT EA 81
NKT SKYWAY EA 81
OMI FOXCON EA 81
WRX AEROMIR EA 81
XLL ZENITH EA 81
WPW POLLIWGN EA81
BAQ STOD-HAM EJ 25
TMC JABIRU EJ 25
TRI KIS TR-1 EJ 25
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Old 6th Aug 2009, 09:16
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If YOU said there were 30 in Rec Av??????????
You aren't doing anyone a favour by making up your own statistics VH.
How about you go away and get the facts
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Old 6th Aug 2009, 09:18
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Walls of China,
(At Moorabbin, the local Councillor is desperate for support, but can only call on GA pilots).
Can you PM me the councillor's name please?
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Old 6th Aug 2009, 09:36
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The number don't matter, the fact that there are any VH registered means you can hardly use it as an argument against RA-Aus.

Besides, the myth of the unreliability of auto conversions was thoroughly debunked several years ago by Kitplanes magazine going through years and years of FAA data to find accidents where engine failure was to blame. They found no statistical significant difference.
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Besides, the myth of the unreliability of auto conversions was thoroughly debunked several years ago by Kitplanes magazine going through years and years of FAA data to find accidents where engine failure was to blame. They found no statistical significant difference.
THAT'S BULL##!T

Maybe you should ask someone who realy knows and not a journo.........
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Old 6th Aug 2009, 11:13
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WELL SAID Jaba
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Old 6th Aug 2009, 11:29
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yeah yeah yeah, i think this threads life is over.
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Old 6th Aug 2009, 11:38
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Quite happy to ask someone else, just show me the research that proves it. I haven't found it and I tried very hard. (Yeah, I value my life so I like to get all the info I can)

I could ask CASA or the FAA. Oh wait, they have already made up their minds about the issue and they allow you to fly with these engines. 'nuff said.
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Hey VH-XXX, you're RAAus ticketed aren't you?
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"Ps: chinaman, a quick call to ra aus would tell you how many suby's are out there. I'm led to believe it could be approaching 50."

Ni Hao Martin

I could do that, but I didn't use fantasy figures to shoot someone else down.

VH XXX owes us an explanation for the rubbery figures.

He also hasn't come back with clearer information on the Cirrus at Natfly.

If he's going to put people down, he needs to be able to back up his statements
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