Ra Aus Not Goming To A Cta Near You
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Gee and not a month ago the RAAus Ops Mgr told me at the Bundy show that there was no doubt in his mind whatsoever that the endorsement would come, it had been all but rubber stamped I think were his words.. he must be so p!ssed! 
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Chu,
If you seriously knew someone who got their cross-country endorsement that easily, please let the RAA know about it. The endorsement is now supposed to be at least ten hours of cross-country training, minimum.
If you seriously knew someone who got their cross-country endorsement that easily, please let the RAA know about it. The endorsement is now supposed to be at least ten hours of cross-country training, minimum.
Oh my god.
TEN WHOLE HOURS!?!?
The ultralight industry is being destroyed by all these new requirements!
The students will be leaving in droves!
We'll all be ROONED!
TEN FCKN HOURS???
TEN WHOLE HOURS!?!?
The ultralight industry is being destroyed by all these new requirements!
The students will be leaving in droves!
We'll all be ROONED!
TEN FCKN HOURS???
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I wasn't complaining about it - just saying that if anyone actually WAS given a XC endo free in a cornflakes box, then the RAA should have a friendly chat with the instructor. Stuff like that is what gives the RAA a bad name.
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8500 members swarming into controlled air space.
Going through my log book it took me over 80 hours to obtain my RAA certificate from start to finish as far as I can go in RAA.
Roughly forty hours of that comprised cross country flying. My first solo nav was 175 miles from point of departure with four way points. We were not allowed to use any nav. aids on our exercises. Also, we did not fly to towns, most of the way points were private air strips on rural properties.
I do approximately 250 hours of business and private flying per year. Currently I am not far off taking my exam for GFPT and I am also half way through my Instructor training.
The decision that RAA pilots cannot fly into controlled airspace is concerning because of the fact it is assumed that people who fly RAA cannot be trained to the same or better competency than pilots with their PPL. It is my understanding that there is no recognised syllabus for CTA training in PPL. At least you can give some credit to RAA in putting a sylabus into existence so their pilots can get the proper training and competency before they get their CTA endorsement.
The way alot of GA pilots are carrying on is if once this CTA endorsement is passed there would be eight and a half thousand members swarming into controlled air space.
I will continue my training to become a better and safer pilot. I do agree there are cowboys in RAA Ithink it's unwise to label all pilots as cowboys. Let us not allow the few cowboys out there to stuff it up for everybody.
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Roughly forty hours of that comprised cross country flying. My first solo nav was 175 miles from point of departure with four way points. We were not allowed to use any nav. aids on our exercises. Also, we did not fly to towns, most of the way points were private air strips on rural properties.
I do approximately 250 hours of business and private flying per year. Currently I am not far off taking my exam for GFPT and I am also half way through my Instructor training.
The decision that RAA pilots cannot fly into controlled airspace is concerning because of the fact it is assumed that people who fly RAA cannot be trained to the same or better competency than pilots with their PPL. It is my understanding that there is no recognised syllabus for CTA training in PPL. At least you can give some credit to RAA in putting a sylabus into existence so their pilots can get the proper training and competency before they get their CTA endorsement.
The way alot of GA pilots are carrying on is if once this CTA endorsement is passed there would be eight and a half thousand members swarming into controlled air space.
I will continue my training to become a better and safer pilot. I do agree there are cowboys in RAA Ithink it's unwise to label all pilots as cowboys. Let us not allow the few cowboys out there to stuff it up for everybody.
Regards, Mayday
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You will find the problem is that RA-Aus, (the whole 8500 of them), are flying in "THEIR" airspace. It matters not whether class G or CTA and from "expert" analysis on this forum, it appears they all fly at the same time of day at the same altitude and are a menace to society across the entire 7.5 million square Kilometers of Australian land mass.
It is probably better that you stay in bed when "THEY" are flying. You know, 12/24/7.
It is probably better that you stay in bed when "THEY" are flying. You know, 12/24/7.
C'mon Frank,
you're not going to let an ultralight put you off going flying are you? At the end of the day it's just another aircraft. The airmanship of the pilot may be questionable but it only seems to be the minority. I fly in and out of class G everyday and don't really have a problem with them. You get the odd pilot who makes life hard for you, but I see this from VH registered operators too
Anyway, if in doubt just stay above 5000 feet
you're not going to let an ultralight put you off going flying are you? At the end of the day it's just another aircraft. The airmanship of the pilot may be questionable but it only seems to be the minority. I fly in and out of class G everyday and don't really have a problem with them. You get the odd pilot who makes life hard for you, but I see this from VH registered operators too
Anyway, if in doubt just stay above 5000 feet
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quite correct in many ways.......... keep doing your training!
Now go back and READ all of my posts in thhis thread. I think you will find your post above is wrong. we do not think that way. many of my mates who fly RAA.....fly A320/737 etc..... they are not all fools. that being said there are some hwo are..VH Tailed and all.
This whole thread is not about nit picking one against the other.
I do believe this is GOOD for the bulk of RAA members and thise members I have spoken too in the last few days, are a typical cross ection of pilots instructors CFI and school owners.............and they all agrre.... "Thank God for That!"
its not about us and them.......... as YOU sir are evidence, as you are now doing your PPL training.
So get off your high horse and see the wodds for the trees!
J
quite correct in many ways.......... keep doing your training!
Now go back and READ all of my posts in thhis thread. I think you will find your post above is wrong. we do not think that way. many of my mates who fly RAA.....fly A320/737 etc..... they are not all fools. that being said there are some hwo are..VH Tailed and all.
This whole thread is not about nit picking one against the other.
I do believe this is GOOD for the bulk of RAA members and thise members I have spoken too in the last few days, are a typical cross ection of pilots instructors CFI and school owners.............and they all agrre.... "Thank God for That!"
its not about us and them.......... as YOU sir are evidence, as you are now doing your PPL training.
So get off your high horse and see the wodds for the trees!
J
Going through my log book it took me over 80 hours to obtain my RAA certificate from start to finish as far as I can go in RAA
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Not that I was slow
Not that I was slow, I use my cross country flying training and fit it in with work, so you could say tying my training in with my job, yes a lot of hr, but also a lot of flying, work payed for.
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"Your assumption is correct about RAA pilots not being trusted after the shameful display put on at Narromine infront of the big cheese from CASA. You reap what you sew I'm afraid."
Had a look at the Narromine info on Recreational Flying
How's this gem from "Soggy Natfly"
"At times on the flight out I was solely on intruments"
Some feat with a Tandy Panel, and a compass from Autobarn, wouldn't like to be sharing his airspace.
After reading the posts it does seem to be just a few though, and there are plenty of skeletons in the GA cupboard.
Had a look at the Narromine info on Recreational Flying
How's this gem from "Soggy Natfly"
"At times on the flight out I was solely on intruments"
Some feat with a Tandy Panel, and a compass from Autobarn, wouldn't like to be sharing his airspace.
After reading the posts it does seem to be just a few though, and there are plenty of skeletons in the GA cupboard.
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How's this gem from "Soggy Natfly"
"At times on the flight out I was solely on intruments"
Some feat with a Tandy Panel, and a compass from Autobarn, wouldn't like to be sharing his airspace.
"At times on the flight out I was solely on intruments"
Some feat with a Tandy Panel, and a compass from Autobarn, wouldn't like to be sharing his airspace.
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I dropped in there this year. There were raa pilots doing circuits and flying over town when vis was less than 1km. All trumped by cirrus taking off into thunderstorm though.
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maverick22;
Irony is wasted it seems.
VH-XXX;
I recall some "shameless" GA "******" beating up the airstrip in a jet one Easter in front of some CASA FOI's. Don't know if they are "the big cheese" though. Some expert reckoned it was a precautionary strip inspection. (at mach .5 and clean).
you're not going to let an ultralight put you off going flying are you?
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RAA pilots not being trusted after the shameful display put on at Narromine infront of the big cheese from CASA.
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The issues at Narromine appear to be more of a pilot thing than GA/RAA. Any flyin type event appears to cancel any form of judgement and the bigger the event
- The more people affected
- The greater the pressure to outdo/not be outdone
This has been going on for as long as aviation and I have seen some pretty bad efforts long before powered hang gliders. I wasn't at Narromine this year but a lot of the dubious efforts I have seen there were GA.
- The more people affected
- The greater the pressure to outdo/not be outdone
This has been going on for as long as aviation and I have seen some pretty bad efforts long before powered hang gliders. I wasn't at Narromine this year but a lot of the dubious efforts I have seen there were GA.
As an RA-Aus (and HGFA) member I always thought the RA-Aus in CTA thing was being a bit optimistic. Putting it in the last issue of the Op Regs was hubris of the first degree! I also have grave doubts about the weight for RA-Aus going beyond 600Kg (which is probably about where ultralights realistically should finish) and as for increasing it to 760Kg I really think that opens several cans of worms for which RA-Aus is ill-prepared. I'd prefer we didn't go there at all.
I don't have any problem with the idea of getting a PPL and a CTA endorsement once I've got a good amount of RA-Aus flying under my belt, especially as the 3-axis hours count one-for-one. My idea of a good amount of RA-Aus experience is somewhere between 200-300 hours of regular flying, by which time a pilot who applies himself ought to be flying resonably well and capable of getting a PPL and CTA endorsement, providing he can pass the medical (I hold a CASA Class 2 medical).
Upgrading skills and operating to a high standard ought to be in the best interests of any pilot, irrespective of which organisation they belong to.
I don't have any problem with the idea of getting a PPL and a CTA endorsement once I've got a good amount of RA-Aus flying under my belt, especially as the 3-axis hours count one-for-one. My idea of a good amount of RA-Aus experience is somewhere between 200-300 hours of regular flying, by which time a pilot who applies himself ought to be flying resonably well and capable of getting a PPL and CTA endorsement, providing he can pass the medical (I hold a CASA Class 2 medical).
Upgrading skills and operating to a high standard ought to be in the best interests of any pilot, irrespective of which organisation they belong to.
I agree criticalmass.
I reckon there was a whole lot of stuff not really thought through on the CTA endorsement, so we're probably lucky it got rejected.
There's also a strong body of thought among RA members that we were better off without it - and for those who really wanted/needed to fly in CTA there was always the option to go PPL (which many of us are anyway).
And, given that many schools use GA instructors in planes that can be VH registered, that would not necessarily be a huge step (for instance, our school encourages RA students to sit the PPL BAK exam rather than the RA one - and a fair proportion of our students swap to PPL at the nav stages).
So, probably all for the good.
And despite VH-XXX's comments at the start of the thread, I don't actually see a whole lot of whingeing and moaning going on over at the other forum!
I reckon there was a whole lot of stuff not really thought through on the CTA endorsement, so we're probably lucky it got rejected.
There's also a strong body of thought among RA members that we were better off without it - and for those who really wanted/needed to fly in CTA there was always the option to go PPL (which many of us are anyway).
And, given that many schools use GA instructors in planes that can be VH registered, that would not necessarily be a huge step (for instance, our school encourages RA students to sit the PPL BAK exam rather than the RA one - and a fair proportion of our students swap to PPL at the nav stages).
So, probably all for the good.
And despite VH-XXX's comments at the start of the thread, I don't actually see a whole lot of whingeing and moaning going on over at the other forum!