The Future?
The Future?
Saw this link in reporting points. Normally we are a few years behind the USA ? Imagine the rent they would charge at SY or BN if they did this !!
LAX parking lot is home away from home for airline workers - Los Angeles Times
LAX parking lot is home away from home for airline workers - Los Angeles Times
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It's a disgrace and the U S of A has to be the biggest sh!thole on earth. If your passion leads you to the point that you are living in these conditions its time to change jobs.
Australia will eventually follow suit by then I'll probably be in Europe doing contract flying.
Australia will eventually follow suit by then I'll probably be in Europe doing contract flying.
Mr Hat,
What jobs to change to??
Had a look at the airline finances/layoffs in the EEC recently, hardly better than the US.
Get real.
And the Proud Bird bar and cafe is worth a visit, to look at all the full size aircraft there, some real, some replicas, including a Spitfire, Hurricane, P-40, P-51, Me 109, FW 190, Mig 15 (real) are some I remember.
Tootle pip!!
What jobs to change to??
Had a look at the airline finances/layoffs in the EEC recently, hardly better than the US.
Get real.
And the Proud Bird bar and cafe is worth a visit, to look at all the full size aircraft there, some real, some replicas, including a Spitfire, Hurricane, P-40, P-51, Me 109, FW 190, Mig 15 (real) are some I remember.
Tootle pip!!
What a disgrace!
I'd say our lot will go one better and build a community of dongas on the airport perimeter.
Mining camp style for airline workers, will sure beat those pesky hotel bills they have to pay
I'd say our lot will go one better and build a community of dongas on the airport perimeter.
Mining camp style for airline workers, will sure beat those pesky hotel bills they have to pay
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Sorry I should have specified - CHANGE CAREER not change jobs. I'm saying if you work in a place where people are going to these lengths to make a living then you are better off doing something else.
I don't think I need to "get real" I think the guys that are living in a caravan away from their families need to "get real" or get a reality check. (IT'S NOT WORKING).
People commute to jobs that pay well so they can get ahead and this isn't the case for these guys. There's only so much feeling proud whilst walking around in an "airline" uniform can do for you.
So for anyone willing to trade conditions in your next eba have another read of this article.
I don't think I need to "get real" I think the guys that are living in a caravan away from their families need to "get real" or get a reality check. (IT'S NOT WORKING).
People commute to jobs that pay well so they can get ahead and this isn't the case for these guys. There's only so much feeling proud whilst walking around in an "airline" uniform can do for you.
So for anyone willing to trade conditions in your next eba have another read of this article.
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"This is the cost of being a pilot today," said Todd Swenson, 40, a first officer with Alaska Airlines. His wife, Amanda, and 2-year-old son, Noah, live in Fresno, a six-hour commute by car.
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"This is the cost of being a pilot today," said Todd Swenson, 40, a first officer with Alaska Airlines. His wife, Amanda, and 2-year-old son, Noah, live in Fresno, a six-hour commute by car.
Why not move closer to work? Stupid seppos
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"This is the cost of being a pilot today," said Todd Swenson, 40, a first officer with Alaska Airlines. His wife, Amanda, and 2-year-old son, Noah, live in Fresno, a six-hour commute by car.
Why not move closer to work? Stupid seppos
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Its got the Colgan Air crash written all over it. Pilot's conditions so poor that they can't afford to reside near their work.
I'm not a fan of how the article talks about the positive sides of the predicament. There aren't any - these are professional people much like doctors or lawyers living like beggars. Its actually really sad.
If you haven't seen it - have a look and listen closely:
YouTube - US Airways Pilot Capt. "Sully" Sullenberger Speaks to Congress: "My Pay Has Been Cut by 40%"
The words from the ultimate professional himself:
It's just the most fitting statement I've ever heard.
I'm not a fan of how the article talks about the positive sides of the predicament. There aren't any - these are professional people much like doctors or lawyers living like beggars. Its actually really sad.
If you haven't seen it - have a look and listen closely:
YouTube - US Airways Pilot Capt. "Sully" Sullenberger Speaks to Congress: "My Pay Has Been Cut by 40%"
The words from the ultimate professional himself:
..revolving door management teams who have used Airline employees as an ATM
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these are professional people much like doctors or lawyers living like beggars.
Even though Pilot's are expected to act professionally, I think you will find that working in Aviation, including being an Airline Captain, is not a Profession in the true sense of the word.
Doctors & Lawyers have their own governing bodies which oversee their own members including discipline and entry standards. This is one of several key characteristics of a professional body that aviation does not have.
Out of interest, I understand that Maritime Captains are considered to be of a 'Profession'.
Doctors & Lawyers have their own governing bodies which oversee their own members including discipline and entry standards. This is one of several key characteristics of a professional body that aviation does not have.
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Falling leaf what planet are you from. As the previous post replied CASA governs us. Airline Pilots are reponsible to a myriad of entities such as Managers of Flight Operations, Standards Managers, Fleet Captains, Check Captains etc etc.
I suppose you could if you want call our profession a trade, why not? Who cares. At the end of the day it is the value you place on doing it right and as a consequence safety that matters, getting everyone home and hopefully on time is what counts to me. The degradation of standards and pay etc will find it's level when we as a group stop lowering the bar. When that will happen is anyones guess.
I personally am well paid, happy and governed by a strong company with a safety philosophy. What if they start undermining that will I do? I don't know, it is a tough call. But I will not compromise my safety and the safety of my passengers; that I guess is the proverbial line in the sand
Che
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I suppose you could if you want call our profession a trade, why not? Who cares. At the end of the day it is the value you place on doing it right and as a consequence safety that matters, getting everyone home and hopefully on time is what counts to me. The degradation of standards and pay etc will find it's level when we as a group stop lowering the bar. When that will happen is anyones guess.
I personally am well paid, happy and governed by a strong company with a safety philosophy. What if they start undermining that will I do? I don't know, it is a tough call. But I will not compromise my safety and the safety of my passengers; that I guess is the proverbial line in the sand
Che
Still fighting for Bovine freedom
The American 'Legacy Airlines' all require a degree for entry as a junior F/O, most then do at least 10 to 15 years before command up-grade. Where I work all the F/Os' have degrees, are ex-military or cadets. Cadets do three years of full-time training and then 8 to 10 years until Command. Korean now requires a degree for contract entry as an ex-pat F/O. Airline Captain is listed here as a profession on the 'employment pass' for contract pilots. A degree and 15 years to qualify, what more do you want to qualify as a professional, a moon landing? Why do Aussies always want to poo in their own nests and be so negative all the time? A trade is only 4 years. Must be something in the water.
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"I've wanted to be a pilot all my life. It can be awful here. But I have to provide for my family, and I love flying airplanes."
Unfortunately the fun love jobs don't pay and this is the reason why plumbers are paided so well.........no one loves unblocking toilets, but every man and his dog loves flying aeroplanes.
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Sad but true. I quit part 121 in the USA last year and could not be happier. Now flying part 135, single pilot IFR and no longer doing 4 days away in
sh!tty hotels for peanuts. Much harder to quit seniority if you have many years as an FO or junior Capt invested in a single airline though.
sh!tty hotels for peanuts. Much harder to quit seniority if you have many years as an FO or junior Capt invested in a single airline though.
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Falling leaf what planet are you from. As the previous post replied CASA governs us.
The American 'Legacy Airlines' all require a degree for entry as a junior F/O
I suppose you could if you want call our profession a trade, why not? Who cares.
A degree and 15 years to qualify, what more do you want to qualify as a professional, a moon landing?
plumbers are paided so well.........no one loves unblocking toilets
A trade is only 4 years.
