The Future?
 

Saw this link in reporting points. Normally we are a few years behind the USA ? Imagine the rent they would charge at SY or BN if they did this !!


LAX parking lot is home away from home for airline workers - Los Angeles Times

It's a disgrace and the U S of A has to be the biggest sh!thole on earth. If your passion leads you to the point that you are living in these conditions its time to change jobs.

Australia will eventually follow suit by then I'll probably be in Europe doing contract flying.

Mr Hat,
What jobs to change to??
Had a look at the airline finances/layoffs in the EEC recently, hardly better than the US.
Get real.
And the Proud Bird bar and cafe is worth a visit, to look at all the full size aircraft there, some real, some replicas, including a Spitfire, Hurricane, P-40, P-51, Me 109, FW 190, Mig 15 (real) are some I remember.
Tootle pip!!

What a disgrace!

I'd say our lot will go one better and build a community of dongas on the airport perimeter.

Mining camp style for airline workers, will sure beat those pesky hotel bills they have to pay :)

Sorry I should have specified - CHANGE CAREER not change jobs. I'm saying if you work in a place where people are going to these lengths to make a living then you are better off doing something else.

I don't think I need to "get real" I think the guys that are living in a caravan away from their families need to "get real" or get a reality check. (IT'S NOT WORKING).

People commute to jobs that pay well so they can get ahead and this isn't the case for these guys. There's only so much feeling proud whilst walking around in an "airline" uniform can do for you.

So for anyone willing to trade conditions in your next eba have another read of this article.

Why not move closer to work? Stupid seppos:ugh:

(flak jacket not required - I dont give a sh!t)

Isn't that what he did?

Just like you can't live in Sydney on 70k supporting the wife and kid unless you want to live in an area that you would not deem suitable for the upbringing of your family.

Its got the Colgan Air crash written all over it. Pilot's conditions so poor that they can't afford to reside near their work.

I'm not a fan of how the article talks about the positive sides of the predicament. There aren't any - these are professional people much like doctors or lawyers living like beggars. Its actually really sad.

If you haven't seen it - have a look and listen closely:

YouTube - US Airways Pilot Capt. "Sully" Sullenberger Speaks to Congress: "My Pay Has Been Cut by 40%"

The words from the ultimate professional himself:

It's just the most fitting statement I've ever heard.

Even in Australia its the same to some extent, I know one base were out of 55 odd pilots 49 of them commute and live in squaller's while doing their tour of duty.

Why do we flatter ourselves?

Even though Pilot's are expected to act professionally, I think you will find that working in Aviation, including being an Airline Captain, is not a Profession in the true sense of the word. :ok:

Doctors & Lawyers have their own governing bodies which oversee their own members including discipline and entry standards. This is one of several key characteristics of a professional body that aviation does not have.

Out of interest, I understand that Maritime Captains are considered to be of a 'Profession'.

*Cough* CASA :cool:

Falling leaf what planet are you from. As the previous post replied CASA governs us. Airline Pilots are reponsible to a myriad of entities such as Managers of Flight Operations, Standards Managers, Fleet Captains, Check Captains etc etc.
I suppose you could if you want call our profession a trade, why not? Who cares. At the end of the day it is the value you place on doing it right and as a consequence safety that matters, getting everyone home and hopefully on time is what counts to me. The degradation of standards and pay etc will find it's level when we as a group stop lowering the bar. When that will happen is anyones guess.
I personally am well paid, happy and governed by a strong company with a safety philosophy. What if they start undermining that will I do? I don't know, it is a tough call. But I will not compromise my safety and the safety of my passengers; that I guess is the proverbial line in the sand

Che
Still fighting for Bovine freedom

The American 'Legacy Airlines' all require a degree for entry as a junior F/O, most then do at least 10 to 15 years before command up-grade. Where I work all the F/Os' have degrees, are ex-military or cadets. Cadets do three years of full-time training and then 8 to 10 years until Command. Korean now requires a degree for contract entry as an ex-pat F/O. Airline Captain is listed here as a profession on the 'employment pass' for contract pilots. A degree and 15 years to qualify, what more do you want to qualify as a professional, a moon landing? Why do Aussies always want to poo in their own nests and be so negative all the time? A trade is only 4 years. Must be something in the water.

its the future alright! get used to it.

Well that says it all really.....you can't really complain about something you love so much.

Unfortunately the fun love jobs don't pay and this is the reason why plumbers are paided so well.........no one loves unblocking toilets, but every man and his dog loves flying aeroplanes.

Sad but true. I quit part 121 in the USA last year and could not be happier. Now flying part 135, single pilot IFR and no longer doing 4 days away in
sh!tty hotels for peanuts. Much harder to quit seniority if you have many years as an FO or junior Capt invested in a single airline though.

Not the same as been governed by a professional body that you have to apply and qualify for, i.e. bar exam. By using the same logic above, could we say that all road users are part of a profession because they have licenses, can be issues fines, demerit points etc?

Although across the industry, this is not a requirement (more a screening technique by majors with no shortages of applicants), unlike the true Professions; you can't practice medicine or law without a degree.

Maybe the truth is somewhere between profession and trade? The industry seems to contain a broad spectrum of people ranging from one end to the other, as evident on these forums.

Although from reading DG&P over the years the 'moon landing' were jokingly referred to as requirements for RFDS, and present requirements for Rex command upgrade, until all pilots require a degree, and have our own professional body (independent of Government oversight), then strictly, technically, and pedantically (I concede) we are not a Profession (with a capital P).:)

Some trades do pay more then the Professions, especially during a housing boom...

Because we love flying so much, does not our industry keep us on apprentice wages for 10-15 years, holding out the carrot of the 'professional' salary of a wide-body Captain at the end of our 'apprenticeships'?

Here we go, another useless debate about about having a uni degree.

Its OK Divine wind!! It doesn't matter if you don't have a degree:}