A few ASIC questions.
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I donnot think I said anything 'toolish' to Andrew, nor do I think I was being an @rse.
Andrew had given the impression (to me at least) that he misunderstood the authority behind the use of the ASIC. "I will always have a lawful reason to be there" is a very vague comment. I was given the impression that Andrew thought if he had an ASIC, he was legally allowed airside to take photos while he was in his spotters role ie
Maybe a comment along the lines of "except for a few quick snaps whilst i'm walking to my aircraft", would of been clearer.
My first few comments was suppose to be an analogy. So let me put it another way. Even though I have the keys to my mates house, it still does not give me a lawful reason to be there without his knowledge.
The last part of my post was meant to be (poor) sarcasm. Something that young Andrew is going to have to smarten up on, right or wrongfully, if he wishes to play not only in this sandpit, but this industry.
Then again if you are made aware if this sight
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Andrew had given the impression (to me at least) that he misunderstood the authority behind the use of the ASIC. "I will always have a lawful reason to be there" is a very vague comment. I was given the impression that Andrew thought if he had an ASIC, he was legally allowed airside to take photos while he was in his spotters role ie
does the ASIC allow me into any spots for taking decent photos (besides the tarmac when I'm flying)
My first few comments was suppose to be an analogy. So let me put it another way. Even though I have the keys to my mates house, it still does not give me a lawful reason to be there without his knowledge.
The last part of my post was meant to be (poor) sarcasm. Something that young Andrew is going to have to smarten up on, right or wrongfully, if he wishes to play not only in this sandpit, but this industry.
Then again if you are made aware if this sight
after speaking to a few people who no longer use the board the comments have all been the same.
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Andrew had given the impression (to me at least) that he misunderstood the authority behind the use of the ASIC.
) and so on. I don't think CASA does nearly enough to make its ASIC holders aware that an ASIC is NOT some sort of Access All Areas pass to every airport in the country. I thought Monopole's first post summed up "lawful reason" neatly.
In addition, (I don't know if this was andrewpb's intention but I've seen it happen before) taking photos anywhere near a bunch of baggage handlers will often lead to a large aggressive rampie accosting you, asking about the reason for the photos and often suggesting several other uses for your camera
. There have been too many "Today Tonight" style exposes recently for anyone on a ramp to appreciate stray photographers. No one wants to be the next Virgin Youtube star. FWIW (not a lot) I didn't think the initial ten responses given were all that horrible, and they all contained the info that was asked for, plus helpful extras about not getting detained and sourcing discount coffee, which are both useful things to know
Maybe I'm undersensitive.
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So anyway, back on track for a second with a response to the question regarding the lead time on ASIC's, I received mine yesterday inside of four weeks since sending everything off to CASA.
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I do take photo's commercially and I'm trying to get a Press Pass issued,yes I know it doesn't mean I can go wondering around the airport taking photos but apparently I need one in order to take photos commercially. I have also been informed that there is nothing in the regulations about taking photos while in a secure area (unless in hazardous areas) I have been reading around this forum and it has come to my attention that some spotters are indeed arseholes who have no respect for anyone but themselves. I love flying which means I love aircraft and I like to take photos of them, I'm not the type of person to call up a helicopter company and complain that a helicopter was hovering above me causing me to lose my shot It's not the end of the world.
When I say, "I will always have a lawful reason" that's what I mean I'm pretty sure I did say (correct me if I'm wrong) that I wouldn't go wondering around snapping random pictures of aircraft, if I didn't say it then it deffinately crossed my mind.
I do apologize if I did come off as a tool, but unfortunately you get them in the Aviation industry too.
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Andrew
It's not the end of the world.
Andrew had given the impression (to me at least) that he misunderstood the authority behind the use of the ASIC. "I will always have a lawful reason to be there" is a very vague comment. I was given the impression that Andrew thought if he had an ASIC, he was legally allowed airside to take photos while he was in his spotters role ie
I'm pretty sure I did say (correct me if I'm wrong) that I wouldn't go wondering around snapping random pictures of aircraft, if I didn't say it then it deffinately crossed my mind.I do apologize if I did come off as a tool, but unfortunately you get them in the Aviation industry too.
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Andrew
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Fair enough. You did say that.
As far as I'm aware, taking commercial photos requires the permission of the property owner (the airport authority) and the aircraft's owner.
Entering an airport exclusively for the purpose of taking commercial photos using your PPL ASIC would not constitute a proper use of that card.
Firing off a few snaps while you're there flying is a common activity and I doubt you'd have dramas, as long as your primary purpose for entering the airside area is for flying, not snapping.
For your interest only (I know you're talking about aircraft not terminals) sections 234AA / AB of the Customs Act prevent photographs being taken in the Customs Hall and of baggage searches. I only mention it because
is not strictly correct. I believe it is also dicey taking photos of military stuff and best done cautiously, if at all.
As far as I'm aware, taking commercial photos requires the permission of the property owner (the airport authority) and the aircraft's owner.
Entering an airport exclusively for the purpose of taking commercial photos using your PPL ASIC would not constitute a proper use of that card.
Firing off a few snaps while you're there flying is a common activity and I doubt you'd have dramas, as long as your primary purpose for entering the airside area is for flying, not snapping.
For your interest only (I know you're talking about aircraft not terminals) sections 234AA / AB of the Customs Act prevent photographs being taken in the Customs Hall and of baggage searches. I only mention it because
there is nothing in the regulations about taking photos while in a secure area (unless in hazardous areas)
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Hello ??????
Think guys. My name is Mohamd Bin Larden but I register on PPrune as Andrew and ask questions about ASIC . !!!!!!! And all you rocket scientists get into the act. I give up. 
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OK, so the problem I have andrew is that I mentioned the facts to part of your question, (" what does it allow me to do"), then you carry on like a pork chop about you will always have a lawful reason. Mate I am not questioning you I am merely answering your question.
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@Grogmonster:
What the...?
@Zoomy:
Apologies if it seemed that way.
@Worrals in the wilds
Thanks for that info, the person that informed me did include that info in the PM I just didn't include it in my post. Thanks for that though!
What the...?
@Zoomy:
Apologies if it seemed that way.
@Worrals in the wilds
Thanks for that info, the person that informed me did include that info in the PM I just didn't include it in my post. Thanks for that though!
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Aviation Security Identification Card, just security clearance. You still need "lawful" reasons to be their Just read through this thread, it has the answers.
Just read through this thread, it has the answers.
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Grogmonster,
Accept your concerns but all the information provided is available on the internet for the careful searcher. The Aviation Transport Security Regulations 2005 and the Airports Regulations 1997 provide all the info you need to design/build/fly ASICs. You even get a handy template.
The only bit that was a PPrune Exclusive was the postee who claimed they relaxed the security regs on presentation of an ASIC... and there's probabaly a few readers with AGS numbers who were interested in that one
Accept your concerns but all the information provided is available on the internet for the careful searcher. The Aviation Transport Security Regulations 2005 and the Airports Regulations 1997 provide all the info you need to design/build/fly ASICs. You even get a handy template.
The only bit that was a PPrune Exclusive was the postee who claimed they relaxed the security regs on presentation of an ASIC... and there's probabaly a few readers with AGS numbers who were interested in that one
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Yes my point exactly
W i t W,
You are spot on about the interest certain people may have about relaxation of rules. I will leave it at that. No disrespect intended towards you at all.
Groggy.
You are spot on about the interest certain people may have about relaxation of rules. I will leave it at that. No disrespect intended towards you at all.
Groggy.
Aviation Security Identification Card, just security clearance. You still need "lawful" reasons to be their 
Just read through this thread, it has the answers.
Just read through this thread, it has the answers.
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Flying Binghi,
Your post is a bit delayed. I mentioned it in the first page, I did search but couldn't find anything to do with my questions. Hope this answered your question
Your post is a bit delayed. I mentioned it in the first page, I did search but couldn't find anything to do with my questions. Hope this answered your question
Your post is a bit delayed. I mentioned it in the first page, I did search but couldn't find anything to do with my questions. Hope this answered your question 
Methinks i'll have to agree with some of the other posters - your a muppet
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I may be a Muppet but at least I'm educated. But please correct me if I'm wrong, he states that I have done a search which then makes me a Muppet. 
I think you're the only Muppet here mate, you can't spell for your life, you can't set out a simple sentence and worst of all you can't read!
But please correct me if I'm wrong, he states that I have done a search which then makes me a Muppet. I think you're the only Muppet here mate, you can't spell for your life, you can't set out a simple sentence and worst of all you can't read!
