Was the Nomad really that bad?

[shafs64]

i would not won't to get it up near the VNE before pulling it out of the dive

[john_tullamarine]

if the "spoilers" weren't able to do the job.

The lateral control system was one of the Type's design strengths. Can anyone cite a similar-sized aircraft with similarly capable low speed handling ? One needs to keep in mind the original Military capability requirement which the beastie set out to satisfy.

Mind you, I saw some dreadful in-flight aileron failures as a consequence of cowboy operations overseas - quite amazing, really. I probably still have some photographs tucked away of some of them.

Heard an interesting tale on what went on with the tail

There were more than a few exaggerated tales about the tail - especially within ARMY's replacement gameplan and the Senate Enquiry.

As a consequence of Glen's death in -401 there was a little bit of ducking and weaving over who did what maintenance when during the post factory period. As far as I am aware, the last inspection done at the factory was by a colleague and mate no longer with us - a very thorough chap and I have no doubt that, had there been a detectable crack at that time, he would have picked it up.

Please do tell your tale and those within the PPRuNe community who know the inside story might be able to add some balance ...

Sure, there were some fatigue considerations with related inspection requirements. If the inspections were done correctly, the problems were able to be kept in the paddock as intended.

In addition, the frequency response was sufficiently low to allow one to see the tailplane do its shake, rattle and roll. However, similar things on other aircraft Types tend to be a little more difficult to see. Indeed, ASTA presented an interesting little video presentation at the Senate Enquiry which put paid to some of the wilder allegations about the tailplane's "unique" gyrations.

[shafs64]

I found this

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&so...97jJAEmfr0xgHQ

[frigatebird]

Evidently somebody still wants one..

[VH-XXX]

That appears to be ATO during a probably recent 100 hourly.

[john_tullamarine]

I found this

not particularly pertinent but still interesting. A lot of initial flutter work was done by Izzy Herzberg back in the early days at GAF - as far as I am aware he still is on faculty at RMIT so that probably is some of the link up to the dissertation.

Evidently somebody still wants one..

I'm a bit out of touch with the Type now but, in previous days, those operators who used them for operations sensibly matched to the Type's strengths, couldn't get enough of them.

Very much a case of horses for courses was the Nomad.

[shafs64]

I would say you are right it look like ATO.

I wonder where that is? there seems to be a warbird parked next to it you can see the roundel near the nose. it seems to be a high wing type with a radial engine.

Paul

[VH-XXX]

At a guess, the Warbird would be this:

So whereever Frigatebird snapped this, is where you will find ATO.

[Wanderin_dave]

I seen dat Broussard and hangar before - Maryborough, QLD.

[baron_beeza]

Sorry to be a spoilsport.... Frigatebird wants to post them in good time so I have modified my post here...

[frigatebird]

Aawwww.. Spoilsport. Thats overload.
Was just doling them out one at a time..

Do you work for ASIO..??

[NNB]

ATO

Cambridge Airport Tasmania is her home base but she spends most of her time away on photographic missions here and OS.
I have some great memories of flying her as a jump ship
blue skies all
NNB

[shafs64]

ATO must be owned by some one in Australia still. still has aussie rego.

Paul

[tail wheel]

VH-ATO
Manufacturer: GOVERNMENT AIRCRAFT FACTORIES
Model: N22C
Serial number: 108
Aircraft first registered in Australia: 12 April 1994
Year of manufacture: 1979

BAYSWATER ROAD PTY. LTD.
Suite 2
MACQUARIE PARK NSW 2113
AUSTRALIA

What is the history of that aircraft from 1979 to 1994?

[tasdevil.f27]

ATO is owned by Don Wells in Hobart (Airlines of Tas / Par Avion) and spends most of her time doing survey work in SE Asia.

[shafs64]

here is some more info

1981 The aircraft was completed.
08May1981 The aircraft was registered as VH-UHL.
19? The aircraft was re-registered as VH-ULF.
1981 The aircraft was acquired by the Government of French Polybesia Territorie Polynesie Francais. It was operated by U.T.A. French Airlines in Tahiti for various tasks including passenger flights, medical flights and carrying election ballots.
1981 The aircraft was re-registered as F-ODMX.
19? The aircraft was upgraded to a N22C.
19? The aircraft was acquired by Westcoast Aviation and re-registered as VH-ATO.
1994 Commando Skydivers began using the aircraft.
01Oct96 The aircraft was acquired as VH-ATO by Commando Skydivers, P.O. Box 164, Pakenham, Victoria, Australia
01Oct96 The register was updated to reflec the new owners.
? The aircraft was acquired by Airlines of Tasmania.
Nov2007 Ther aircraft flew from Australia to New Zealand.
200? The aircraft was moved to Borneo.

[VH-XXX]

Interesting comment about the upgrade to "C" model.

I heard that it took a lot of paperwork to convince CASA that it actually was a "C" model versus the "B" model that they thought it was. If I'm not mistaken it meant that you could carry 14 versus 16....? (jumpers)

[shafs64]

Ok i have to ask what the difference on the B version to the C


Paul

[djpil]

Been a long while (early '90s), straining the memory but I don't recall excessive paperwork. Vague recollection of a delay due to some query or issue - perhaps some-one will remind me.
Perhaps some-one mistakenly assumed that they were getting a C and found out late in the piece?
It needed some physical changes, again straining the memory - different wing struts was one I think.

[shafs64]

Can anyone put names to these guys.