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Just wondering if those of you who do regular hours in an AIRVAN can tell me how you feel about it as an aircraft for extended periods of flying, such as for aerial photography, flying precise lines?
Any comments would be appreciated.
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Any comments would be appreciated.
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G'day, the Airvan is a really easy A/C to fly and its great because they are reasonably new so at least everything works, There are only 2 major problems that I found flying them:
1. There is no rudder trim which means that your right leg gets pretty tired in the climb.They really do require a lot of rudder input from T/O to top of climb.
2. The seats are probably the most uncomfortable for extended ops that I have ever encountered, anything more than 2 hrs and you will feel like you were the main attraction at the Mardi Gras!! Not a good feeling.
The A/C have a door open add on that deflects the airflow which makes them good for photos out of the cabin sliding door,so for photos this is really good.All in all they are a good A/C in my recent experience and its great to see that its Aussie built.
All the best and good luck.
1. There is no rudder trim which means that your right leg gets pretty tired in the climb.They really do require a lot of rudder input from T/O to top of climb.
2. The seats are probably the most uncomfortable for extended ops that I have ever encountered, anything more than 2 hrs and you will feel like you were the main attraction at the Mardi Gras!! Not a good feeling.
The A/C have a door open add on that deflects the airflow which makes them good for photos out of the cabin sliding door,so for photos this is really good.All in all they are a good A/C in my recent experience and its great to see that its Aussie built.
All the best and good luck.
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Hi Tige', yeah I have heard about the seat issue,,,,,just wondering how REALLY bad they are,,,looking at 4 hours in each session at least.
The photography would be through the belly of the aircraft,,,,do you or anyone know of them being modded with a big hole?
The photography would be through the belly of the aircraft,,,,do you or anyone know of them being modded with a big hole?
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Along with no rudder trim & very hard seats with the lack of lumber adjustment, the cabin ventilation in these machines is probably the worst feature in the Airvan (if it can be called a feature at all!). Extremely poor.
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Sorry mate, don't know of anyone that has modified them in that way, they will make a good stable platform for photos and as I said they are very uncomfortable for extended periods, 4 hrs and I can assure you that you will be keen as to get out of that seat.Maybe you could put one of those bobbly taxi driver things on the seat or some thing like that, anything is worth a try.Have Fun.
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Have to agree with all the comments about the airvan
it is also rather cramped if you are taller than 5.10 very limited seat adjustment.
Where would you be doing the photography ?
it is also rather cramped if you are taller than 5.10 very limited seat adjustment.
Where would you be doing the photography ?
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Hi mate,
Theoretically, could be doing the work anywhere in Aus, weather dependent ofcourse.
I think the chance of working in humid locations is remote as there would usually be associated cloud, which stuffs up the imagery.
But hot clear temps could be an issue if aircon is no good.
Are there any WELL Airconditioned Airvans around?
Theoretically, could be doing the work anywhere in Aus, weather dependent ofcourse.
I think the chance of working in humid locations is remote as there would usually be associated cloud, which stuffs up the imagery.
But hot clear temps could be an issue if aircon is no good.
Are there any WELL Airconditioned Airvans around?
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The ones i flew didnt have aircon at all and that was in the top end !!
Not very nice for the pax
I do believe you can get them with aircon
I may be wrong
But as stated before ventilation is rubbish for the pilot
Not very nice for the pax
I do believe you can get them with aircon
I may be wrong
But as stated before ventilation is rubbish for the pilot
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Stormy,,,thanks mate,,,will keep that in mind,,,,everyone in the cabin has to be happy when prolonged hours of concentration in the air are involved.
I used to sit on a cushion, i'm 6'4 and felt like my knees where around my ears, would be good if gippsland made the rails slide back a tad further for the front two seats along with an adjustable backrest and lumbar support. (i really think they should make specialty pilot seats as 6 hours in them a day got a little tedious)
Yeah they have no rudder trim, poor little didums, never worried me, i never even used it in aeroplanes that did have it, and the most venerable of all the singles, the Bonanaza has no rudder trim at all 
Rudder trim is for assy ops in a twin, not for a lazy single engine piston driver, did you whine about rudder trim in your 152? I bet you whinge to mummy about having last years saab too!
They do not like turb too much though and can be a pain flying lines, yeah they are easy to stay on the lines with good control responsiveness BUT at the expense of your punters brekky!
Along with no rudder trim
Rudder trim is for assy ops in a twin, not for a lazy single engine piston driver, did you whine about rudder trim in your 152? I bet you whinge to mummy about having last years saab too!They do not like turb too much though and can be a pain flying lines, yeah they are easy to stay on the lines with good control responsiveness BUT at the expense of your punters brekky!
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Extended seat tracks for pilot seat is available to provide additional 2 1/2 inches of leg room. This assists with comfort. Airframe mod is required.
Airconditioning is available.
12 inch square camera port is available os approved option. about 20 airvans are in use world wide in photography, scanning and imaging.
Turbo-charged version now available for high alt work where improved heater is more important that A/C
I have sat for up to 16 hours a day on ferry flights and find seats no worse than many others, but I am 5' 7" so fit the anthropomophic profile that actually fits the seat. I also sit on a little thin extra cushion that helps.
Have never found the ventilation for pilot particularly bad especially since the extra overhead cabin duct was installed long ago with the additional 'back of the neck' vent and 2 speed booster fan. maybe some of you guys are flying early SN acft and the boss has not upgraded cabin/cockpit ventilation to current spec. I have not only flown in Nth Aus but also Indonesia, Malaysia, PNG, Timor, India and Central America and this has not been such a big issue as it seems here, but as I say , it has been improved from the earlier ones.
Gorstar, PM me if you have specific questions as I have a fair few hours on this type.
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Airconditioning is available.
12 inch square camera port is available os approved option. about 20 airvans are in use world wide in photography, scanning and imaging.
Turbo-charged version now available for high alt work where improved heater is more important that A/C
I have sat for up to 16 hours a day on ferry flights and find seats no worse than many others, but I am 5' 7" so fit the anthropomophic profile that actually fits the seat. I also sit on a little thin extra cushion that helps.
Have never found the ventilation for pilot particularly bad especially since the extra overhead cabin duct was installed long ago with the additional 'back of the neck' vent and 2 speed booster fan. maybe some of you guys are flying early SN acft and the boss has not upgraded cabin/cockpit ventilation to current spec. I have not only flown in Nth Aus but also Indonesia, Malaysia, PNG, Timor, India and Central America and this has not been such a big issue as it seems here, but as I say , it has been improved from the earlier ones.
Gorstar, PM me if you have specific questions as I have a fair few hours on this type.
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Thanks for that, will keep you in mind.
I appreciate everyones input, thanks for taking the time to respond.
Think I may spend some time on the Airvan website too.
Just spent some time on the website,,,does not give much away, mentions nothing about the turbine or optional aircon,,,,I guess they tell you that on the phone.........
I appreciate everyones input, thanks for taking the time to respond.
Think I may spend some time on the Airvan website too.
Just spent some time on the website,,,does not give much away, mentions nothing about the turbine or optional aircon,,,,I guess they tell you that on the phone.........
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The company has a fairly comprehensive DVD. ring them and they will send it to you along with a spec sheet.
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Not quite but almost........
Wizard and VH-(censored)!!!, thankyou both for your info.
Yeah regarding the turbine, I found another web site which spoke of the turbo fitment,,,also discovered that GA now have the rights to rebirth the Nomad,,,,,,that will be interesting.
Thanks guys.
Yeah regarding the turbine, I found another web site which spoke of the turbo fitment,,,also discovered that GA now have the rights to rebirth the Nomad,,,,,,that will be interesting.
Thanks guys.
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Mr G Goblin? Do you mean Vulnerable or venerable? That’s re;-
“Yeah they have no rudder trim, poor little didums, never worried me, i never even used it in aeroplanes that did have it, and the most venerable of all the singles, the Bonanaza has no rudder trim at all”
I think Greenish Ghoul, the trims were invented for people of stature at the opposite end to your scale. You know that everyone is not 6 foot 4 like you buddy. People like me, of 5 foot 7 do require rudder, aileron trim you know!! So, suggesting, “ did you whine about rudder trim in your 152? I bet you whinge to mummy about having last years saab too!” is pretty selfish. I know a person who drives a van in Qld, and i inquired to the use of trim, and they affirmed the usage of such a device. Wonderful ladies who pierce the skies, are creatures, of small and nurturing stature, thank god, not like your stature sir!!!
Gordsta, don’t be afraid of the trims, and, in regards to the luxury of seats, well he said, “The seats will irritate over more than an hour or so, if prolonged usage did occur“ only his opinion though. I asked him to reply to this particular thread and give some advice. We’ll see.
Good luck mate
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“Yeah they have no rudder trim, poor little didums, never worried me, i never even used it in aeroplanes that did have it, and the most venerable of all the singles, the Bonanaza has no rudder trim at all”
I think Greenish Ghoul, the trims were invented for people of stature at the opposite end to your scale. You know that everyone is not 6 foot 4 like you buddy. People like me, of 5 foot 7 do require rudder, aileron trim you know!! So, suggesting, “ did you whine about rudder trim in your 152? I bet you whinge to mummy about having last years saab too!” is pretty selfish. I know a person who drives a van in Qld, and i inquired to the use of trim, and they affirmed the usage of such a device. Wonderful ladies who pierce the skies, are creatures, of small and nurturing stature, thank god, not like your stature sir!!!
Gordsta, don’t be afraid of the trims, and, in regards to the luxury of seats, well he said, “The seats will irritate over more than an hour or so, if prolonged usage did occur“ only his opinion though. I asked him to reply to this particular thread and give some advice. We’ll see.
Good luck mate
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Gordstar,
I have a few hundred hours in the Airvan (so no expert!) and i have also done aerial photo ops. The Airvan is a pretty versatile aircraft for cargo and scenic flights, but i found it a little touchy in turbulence. Also it was mentioned in the thread that there is no rudder trim... I would consider that to be a major hassle if you are using it for Aerial photo ops, as the aircraft really should be trimmed out in all axis to make flying straight and accurate runs easier to achieve.
It is also not a very quick acft, so if you are going to have to ferry it across the state/country to get to jobs, it will be costly in both $$ and time. You do see a few C210's cuising around that have been kitted for aerial photo ops, so maybe that it a better option to look at.
If you do decide on an Airvan tho, my trick for getting comfortable was to stick an ERSA behind my lower back.. For me that seemed to give good support and worked as a good way to free up space in the rather cramped cockpit
All the best
I have a few hundred hours in the Airvan (so no expert!) and i have also done aerial photo ops. The Airvan is a pretty versatile aircraft for cargo and scenic flights, but i found it a little touchy in turbulence. Also it was mentioned in the thread that there is no rudder trim... I would consider that to be a major hassle if you are using it for Aerial photo ops, as the aircraft really should be trimmed out in all axis to make flying straight and accurate runs easier to achieve.
It is also not a very quick acft, so if you are going to have to ferry it across the state/country to get to jobs, it will be costly in both $$ and time. You do see a few C210's cuising around that have been kitted for aerial photo ops, so maybe that it a better option to look at.
If you do decide on an Airvan tho, my trick for getting comfortable was to stick an ERSA behind my lower back.. For me that seemed to give good support and worked as a good way to free up space in the rather cramped cockpit
All the best
Mr G Goblin? Do you mean Vulnerable or venerable? That’s re;-
“Yeah they have no rudder trim, poor little didums, never worried me, i never even used it in aeroplanes that did have it, and the most venerable of all the singles, the Bonanaza has no rudder trim at all”
“Yeah they have no rudder trim, poor little didums, never worried me, i never even used it in aeroplanes that did have it, and the most venerable of all the singles, the Bonanaza has no rudder trim at all”
I think Greenish Ghoul, the trims were invented for people of stature at the other opposite end to your scale. You know that everyone is not 6 foot 4 like you buddy. People like me, of 5 foot 7 do require rudder, aileron trim you know!! So, suggesting, “ did you whine about rudder trim in your 152? I bet you whinge to mummy about having last years saab too!” is pretty selfish.
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Hey Saucerer, Dan and GG,,,thanks all for your messages.
Our company currently uses a 441 Conquest x-hired from Corp Air, and this works well.
The Airvan idea I think is for a possible second camera, a back up if you like.
The rudder trim issue is indeed important as the quality of our imagery is right up there with worlds best and the client pays accordingly!
Considering its relatively slow cruise speeds, lack of pressurisation, ventilation issues, compromised comfort for the pilot and maybe one or two more issues, I dont see it fitting into our operation very well.
But having said that, you never know.
Neways,,,,really appreciate all your suggestions etc,
Sunny days
Our company currently uses a 441 Conquest x-hired from Corp Air, and this works well.
The Airvan idea I think is for a possible second camera, a back up if you like.
The rudder trim issue is indeed important as the quality of our imagery is right up there with worlds best and the client pays accordingly!
Considering its relatively slow cruise speeds, lack of pressurisation, ventilation issues, compromised comfort for the pilot and maybe one or two more issues, I dont see it fitting into our operation very well.
But having said that, you never know.
Neways,,,,really appreciate all your suggestions etc,
Sunny days