Where have all the jobs gone?
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What a schmozzle this thread has turned into.
Jet_A_Knight according to this Wikipedia article you are a Gen Xer and post 1980 young'uns are Gen Y.
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Jet_A_Knight according to this Wikipedia article you are a Gen Xer and post 1980 young'uns are Gen Y.
FRQ CB (a proud Gen WTF)
Bushy you missed the + after the $50 000. That alone is a ballpark figure and doesn't consider the other things thrown in like remote area tax benefits, housing etc etc. Guys I knew were on numbers upward of what you are offering. Another operator you could make nearly $100K with allowances and the like thrown in.
Yeah I do actually. From my experience operators in aviation for what ever reason are not proactive they are reactive, hence they run out of pilots and as a last resort they advertise.
The real issue for jobs in GA is having an aircraft they are able to fly as it stands at the moment many of the GA operators are shutting up shop which is bad news for everyone.
Do you really think it is a serious shortage of pilots if operators actually advertise job vacancies just like they do in all other jobs?
The real issue for jobs in GA is having an aircraft they are able to fly as it stands at the moment many of the GA operators are shutting up shop which is bad news for everyone.
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Oh Poor bugger me!!
Oh the poor buggers. flogging around in 30 year old ****boxes, doing it tough, and doing the hard yards. Why are they there if it is so bad? They must be heroes, sacrificing their lives for the common good. Or are they just sissies from the city? Maybe they should stay in the city if going north is so desparately hard. There are others who can handle outback flying and have done so for many years.
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This forum has got it all. Kiwi bashing, and "in my day speeches" its a great one.
Bushy: Im sure they are going to put up a statue for you any day now.
Back in the day GA pilots got paid as much as school teachers....? Yeah and you could go to the pictures to see the latest talkie pictures for 1/2 a bob and still have enough left-over for a gallon of gas and the latest Glen Miller record.
And then theres the old "you guys f#@ked it up by taking jobs for free...etc" Well I (note the use of the shift key) have to say it was probably one of the fellows from your generation who came up with the idea to shaft us!
I have seen articals in magazine from the early 90's (when I was 10) about no or low pay jobs. Why the hell are us younger guys getting the stick for it?
Its one of the basic rules of economics, Supply & Demand.
Oh and Airplane 1 was way better than Airplane 2. looks like I picked a bad day to give up sniffing glue.
Bushy: Im sure they are going to put up a statue for you any day now.
Back in the day GA pilots got paid as much as school teachers....? Yeah and you could go to the pictures to see the latest talkie pictures for 1/2 a bob and still have enough left-over for a gallon of gas and the latest Glen Miller record.
And then theres the old "you guys f#@ked it up by taking jobs for free...etc" Well I (note the use of the shift key) have to say it was probably one of the fellows from your generation who came up with the idea to shaft us!
I have seen articals in magazine from the early 90's (when I was 10) about no or low pay jobs. Why the hell are us younger guys getting the stick for it?
Its one of the basic rules of economics, Supply & Demand.
Oh and Airplane 1 was way better than Airplane 2. looks like I picked a bad day to give up sniffing glue.
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Thats the problem with you younger generation. your all glue sniffing college people with bad decision making skills. 
And then theres the old "you guys f#@ked it up by taking jobs for free...etc" Well I (note the use of the shift key) have to say it was probably one of the fellows from your generation who came up with the idea to shaft us!
I have seen articals in magazine from the early 90's (when I was 10) about no or low pay jobs. Why the hell are us younger guys getting the stick for it?
I have seen articals in magazine from the early 90's (when I was 10) about no or low pay jobs. Why the hell are us younger guys getting the stick for it?
Then in the same breathe they sit back, sipping top shelf, telling you that you must go bush and do the hard yards, wash, sweep, answer phones etc etc then blast you for working for free and destroying the industry
One can never win, just try not to piss too many people off!
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I can't remember when I drank from the top shelf last...... not on pilot wages anyway........ because all them young blokes that don't wanna go bush stuffed the industry and I have to work for bugger all........... or something like that. 
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What keeps you from leaving? Simple question really......
I am the younger generation, i did go to college, i did go bush, i got the qualifications i needed on award conditions, i now have the gig i set out to get, and the top shelf tastes good. Bad decision making skills?! Must have been something in the glue......
STOP WHINGING!
I can't remember when I drank from the top shelf last...... not on pilot wages anyway........ because all them young blokes that don't wanna go bush stuffed the industry and I have to work for bugger all........... or something like that.
Thats the problem with you younger generation. your all glue sniffing college people with bad decision making skills.
I am the younger generation, i did go to college, i did go bush, i got the qualifications i needed on award conditions, i now have the gig i set out to get, and the top shelf tastes good. Bad decision making skills?! Must have been something in the glue......
STOP WHINGING!
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Bushy!
****box is defined as:
Go ahead and tell the term "****box" doesn't spring to mind!
The first few GA jobs are hard work, bloody hard work. Maybe youre just more tough than most, or maybe youve been doing it too long that the bloody hard work is simply routine and you know any different.
The young guys/girls, will keep coming out bush to fly the ****boxes and do the hard work, under the conditions the older guys never defended. They'll get what they need, leave for the better flying gig and recall the good experiences they had in the ****boxes during a hard day's work.
****box is defined as:
- something that is low quality or nonworking
- An automobile that is in poor condition
- Any vehicle,(even a brand new one) that you are forced to use for commuting while something much more entertaining sits in the garage waiting for the weekend.
Go ahead and tell the term "****box" doesn't spring to mind!
The first few GA jobs are hard work, bloody hard work. Maybe youre just more tough than most, or maybe youve been doing it too long that the bloody hard work is simply routine and you know any different.
The young guys/girls, will keep coming out bush to fly the ****boxes and do the hard work, under the conditions the older guys never defended. They'll get what they need, leave for the better flying gig and recall the good experiences they had in the ****boxes during a hard day's work.
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Gen Y - soft bunch of whingers
The first few GA jobs are hard work, bloody hard work.
Just my two cents (retreating to bunker now)
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Age of the B707, DC8, B727; aka The Good Ole Days!
Those were the good ole days. Pilots all knew who Jimmy Doolittle was. Pilots chased women, drank coffee, whiskey, smoked cigars and didn’t say my ticket is on the line.
They carried their own suitcases and brain bags like the real men that they were. Pilots didn't bend over into the crash position multiple times each day in front of the passengers at security so that so Gov't agent could probe for tweezers or fingernail clippers or too much toothpaste.
Pilots did not go through the terminal impersonating a caddy pulling a bunch of golf clubs, computers, guitars, and feed bags full of tofu and granola on a sissy-trailer with no hat and granny glasses hanging on a pink string around their pencil neck while talking to their personal trainer on the cell phone!!!
Being an Airline Captain was as good as being the King in a Mel Brooks movie. All the Stewardesses (aka. Flight Attendants) were young, attractive, single one's that were proud to be combatants in the sexual revolution. They didn't have to turn sideways, grease up and suck it in to get through the cockpit door. They would blush and say thank you when told that they looked good, instead of filing a sexual harassment claim. Junior Stewardesses shared a room and talked about men.... with no thoughts of substitution.
Passengers wore nice clothes and were polite, they could speak AND understand English. They didn't speak gibberish or listen to loud rap on their IPods. They bathed and didn't smell like a rotting pile of garbage in a jogging suit and flip-flops. Children didn't travel alone, commuting between trailer parks. There were no mongolhordes asking for a "mu-fuggin" seatbelt extension or a Scotch and grapefruit juice cocktail with a twist.
If the Captain wanted to throw some offensive, ranting jerk off the airplane, it was done without any worries of a lawsuit or getting fired.
Axial flow engines crackled with the sound of freedom and left an impressive black smoke trail like a locomotive burning soft coal. Jet fuel was cheap and once the throttles were pushed up, they were left there, after all it was the jet age and the idea was to go fast (run like a lizard on a hardwood floor). Economy cruise was something in the performance book, but no one knew why or where it was. When the clacker went off no one got all tight and scared because Boeing built it out of iron, nothing was going to fall off and that sound had the satisfying effect on real pilots then as Viagra does now for those new age guys.
There was very little plastic and no composites on the airplanes or the Stewardesses' pectoral regions.
Airplanes and women had eye pleasing symmetrical curves, not a bunch of ugly vortex generators, ventral fins, winglets, flow diverters.
Airlines were run by men like C.R. Smith and Juan Trippe who had built their companies virtually from scratch, knew many of their employees by name and were lifetime airline employees themselves...not pseudo financiers and bean counters who flit from one occupation to another for a few bucks, a better parachute or a fancier title while fervently believing that they are a class of beings unto themselves.
And, thus, so it was back then....and never will be again.
(Rudy Mack wrote: Fri, 12/19/08)
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DK
They carried their own suitcases and brain bags like the real men that they were. Pilots didn't bend over into the crash position multiple times each day in front of the passengers at security so that so Gov't agent could probe for tweezers or fingernail clippers or too much toothpaste.
Pilots did not go through the terminal impersonating a caddy pulling a bunch of golf clubs, computers, guitars, and feed bags full of tofu and granola on a sissy-trailer with no hat and granny glasses hanging on a pink string around their pencil neck while talking to their personal trainer on the cell phone!!!
Being an Airline Captain was as good as being the King in a Mel Brooks movie. All the Stewardesses (aka. Flight Attendants) were young, attractive, single one's that were proud to be combatants in the sexual revolution. They didn't have to turn sideways, grease up and suck it in to get through the cockpit door. They would blush and say thank you when told that they looked good, instead of filing a sexual harassment claim. Junior Stewardesses shared a room and talked about men.... with no thoughts of substitution.
Passengers wore nice clothes and were polite, they could speak AND understand English. They didn't speak gibberish or listen to loud rap on their IPods. They bathed and didn't smell like a rotting pile of garbage in a jogging suit and flip-flops. Children didn't travel alone, commuting between trailer parks. There were no mongolhordes asking for a "mu-fuggin" seatbelt extension or a Scotch and grapefruit juice cocktail with a twist.
If the Captain wanted to throw some offensive, ranting jerk off the airplane, it was done without any worries of a lawsuit or getting fired.
Axial flow engines crackled with the sound of freedom and left an impressive black smoke trail like a locomotive burning soft coal. Jet fuel was cheap and once the throttles were pushed up, they were left there, after all it was the jet age and the idea was to go fast (run like a lizard on a hardwood floor). Economy cruise was something in the performance book, but no one knew why or where it was. When the clacker went off no one got all tight and scared because Boeing built it out of iron, nothing was going to fall off and that sound had the satisfying effect on real pilots then as Viagra does now for those new age guys.
There was very little plastic and no composites on the airplanes or the Stewardesses' pectoral regions.
Airplanes and women had eye pleasing symmetrical curves, not a bunch of ugly vortex generators, ventral fins, winglets, flow diverters.
Airlines were run by men like C.R. Smith and Juan Trippe who had built their companies virtually from scratch, knew many of their employees by name and were lifetime airline employees themselves...not pseudo financiers and bean counters who flit from one occupation to another for a few bucks, a better parachute or a fancier title while fervently believing that they are a class of beings unto themselves.
And, thus, so it was back then....and never will be again.
(Rudy Mack wrote: Fri, 12/19/08)
(refer JetBlast)
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Since there is so much useless stereotyping and BS being flung around in here ill add my two cents worth. 
Lets go back a step and imagine about what the generations before the baby boomers and Gen X said about them.
I bet you the veterans who saw service and learnt to fly during the war then moved into civil aviation probably thought that the "young upstarts" they had to share the flight decks with probably had it pretty easy by comparison too.
I reckon that 10 000hrs on a piston single years ago (that was new then but is proably still getting around the traps now) before moving "up" proably semed pretty easy at the time after you had seen the horros of war and been shot at!!!
The fact of life is that the older generation is ALWAYS going to think that the younger guys/gals "these days" have got it easy, no matter what the truth is. Aviation like anything goes through cycles and comparing one persons expereince 30 years ago to a person's now is like comparing apples and oranges.
Things change, deal with it.
Lets go back a step and imagine about what the generations before the baby boomers and Gen X said about them.
I bet you the veterans who saw service and learnt to fly during the war then moved into civil aviation probably thought that the "young upstarts" they had to share the flight decks with probably had it pretty easy by comparison too.
I reckon that 10 000hrs on a piston single years ago (that was new then but is proably still getting around the traps now) before moving "up" proably semed pretty easy at the time after you had seen the horros of war and been shot at!!!
The fact of life is that the older generation is ALWAYS going to think that the younger guys/gals "these days" have got it easy, no matter what the truth is. Aviation like anything goes through cycles and comparing one persons expereince 30 years ago to a person's now is like comparing apples and oranges.
Things change, deal with it.
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Things change, deal with it
