Ingham for CASA approved operators only
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I think the whole issue may be one of liability that the community is so fond of these days. As stated the approach was designed and paid for by a QLD govt operator who no doubt does not wish to accept liability for use by another party. Its user pay these days as you all well know, and you can't blame an organisation for being unwilling to accept responsibility for another party using its "property". The approach is not designed by CASA, but by a private profit driven organisation, albeit authorised by CASA to do so and to the standards stipulated by CASA. The ILS at East Sale is "helicopter only" because the ILS installation and the approach design were paid for by Esso.
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Buying and selling approaches.
Are we buying and selling approach procedures now? Can you patent them?
It seems to me that the plates should be labelled "for Qld EMS approved operators only" or "for Esso approved operators only" Let's have it out in the open.
Are CASA going to get a commission out of these private, monopolies?
It seems to me that the plates should be labelled "for Qld EMS approved operators only" or "for Esso approved operators only" Let's have it out in the open.
Are CASA going to get a commission out of these private, monopolies?
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I can't see what is so difficult about the fact that they won't certify an approach to an unlicenced airfield!
This isn't about "Buying" approaches! There is a need for an EMS operator to get into a hospital, and in conjuction with CASA they have come up with a good arrangement to enable those operations. As has been stated many times, the approach is NOT used to land at the airfield, but as a "cloudbreak" to enable EMS operators. It may appear the same as a normal approach, but you have no way of knowing to what standards it has been designed. It should NOT be considered an approach to the airfield, so you are not missing out on using it. Would you rather it be removed and EMS not be able to use it?
When the airfield is licenced, then there is a fair argument to have a procedure designed for it. Until then, you'll have to do it the old fashioned way!
This isn't about "Buying" approaches! There is a need for an EMS operator to get into a hospital, and in conjuction with CASA they have come up with a good arrangement to enable those operations. As has been stated many times, the approach is NOT used to land at the airfield, but as a "cloudbreak" to enable EMS operators. It may appear the same as a normal approach, but you have no way of knowing to what standards it has been designed. It should NOT be considered an approach to the airfield, so you are not missing out on using it. Would you rather it be removed and EMS not be able to use it?
When the airfield is licenced, then there is a fair argument to have a procedure designed for it. Until then, you'll have to do it the old fashioned way!
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Dick, I would assume so that when EMS blogs or Esso says he's doing XXX approach into YYY other people are able to say hah, hah, I know what he/she is doing.
Please explain?
I can't see what is so difficult about the fact that they won't certify an approach to an unlicenced airfield!
Ditto Gayndah, Jabiru, Lilydale, Nifty, Norseman, Oodnadatta, Quirindi, Victoria River Downs, Warburton and Warwick!
Dr
PS: This is particularly interesting in the light of the response I received from CASA regarding my request for approval to use the YATN approach.
This approach can not be used for fixed wing aircraft as the aerodrome is unregistered; a fixed -wing straight -in approach can not be issued to an unregistered aerodrome
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FTDK, use it and abuse it by all means. No-one will know or care until you spud in 
. Then BOI will find pilot error as the cause of said accident.
Can't say i ever want to go to ATN though...
. Then BOI will find pilot error as the cause of said accident. Can't say i ever want to go to ATN though...
Ahhhh Gundog, I suspect both Cairns Approach and Brisbane Centre will know as soon as I use the approach.
Will they care? That's another question!
I gotta go the Atherton next week. If I can pick a nice day, I'll fly the approach in VMC just for the hell of it! Can't be any law against that, can there?
Dr
Will they care? That's another question!
I gotta go the Atherton next week. If I can pick a nice day, I'll fly the approach in VMC just for the hell of it! Can't be any law against that, can there?
Dr
