Phraseology Q

[ITCZ]

Originally Posted by ksa1223

Is all stations the old way?

Originally Posted by Mr. Hat

Yes. It used to be all stations.

Not quite.

"All stations" is still used by ATC and pilots.

It has been replaced by "{location} Traffic" where the information being broadcast, is location specific. Eg in and around non-towered aerodromes.

AIP GEN 3.4 p34
5.7 FREQUENCY MANAGEMENT

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when a pilot/ATC broadcasts general information.............................l.* ALL STATIONS (appropriate information)

when a pilot broadcasts location specific general information.............m.* (location) TRAFFIC (appropriate information) (location)






An R/T set installed in an aeroplane is a Station. Take a look at the ACMA issued radio licenses in your aircraft flight manual. You want everyone else on an ATS frequency to know about something -- you call "All Stations."

Unless you are inbound to/operating at a Non Towered aerodrome.

Then it is "{location} Traffic."




Interesting thing........ say you come bombing out of Class A left FL340 passing FL200 and about to enter Class E/G so you say "{location} traffic"

..... The guy overflying AYE at FL 180 thinks you are under him because {location} Traffic is a 'CTAF Thing.'

Maybe thats why we hear some guys first call on to Area Low frequency as "Melbourne Centre and All Stations, Unity123, Fokker 100 is 82 dme west of XYZ passing FL200 on descent XYZ...."+

[Mark1234]

Here's an off the cuff (possibly ill considered) question - let's say you're down near barwon heads, where there's 3 ctaf's (barwon heads, geelong, and one that escapes me temporarily) all in close proximity... what do you actually say?

"barwon heads traffic, geelong traffic and blah traffic...." would seem correct
"traffic barwon, geelong, blah..". would seem less of a toungue twister
"all stations barwon, geelong, blah" was what actually rolled off my tounge last time I went by.

Thoughts?

[gadude]

Mark, I am unfamiliar with the given area, but are all those CTAF's on the same frequentie? like 126.7??
in that case maybe you could say, "traffice on 126.7 xyz is 20nm to/from geelong, 5500 tracking whatever etc"??

[james michael]

I prefer to call to the CTAF 'in proximity' as that is the best indication of my location.

Where they are closely grouped, the 'in proximity' situation is not well understood.

[povopilot]

Mark1234,

I'm not sure if it is the correct phraseology, but when operating in the GLG, TQY, BRS CTAF it is common to just address the CTAF as the airfield that you are operating out of or passing closest to. E.g Geelong Traffic if inbound, operating at or overflying closest to Geelong.

Everyone using the CTAF should know that GLG, TQY and BRS use the one CTAF and therefore should be able to recognise that someone calling GLG is in the vicinity of the other two airfield's. One exception is, say ABC has just made an inbound call addressing Barwon Heads traffic and you are overflying Geelong then you might prefix your broadcast with "Geelong traffic and ABC"

This is how i do it and i stand to be corrected. Of course there are people that do the whole "All stations Barwon Heads, Geelong, Torquay CTAF blah blah blah all stations Barwon Heads, Geelong, Torquay. This seems to clog up the airwaves significantly. I am going to shut up now for fear of actually being shot down next time i fly near Barwon Heads!

povopilot

[BackdoorBandit]

"All stations xxx" calls are made on "area" frequency.

"xxx Traffic" calls are made on CTAF frequency.