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You go to a testing centre... sign in (proof of id etc.)... the test supervisor calls up some automated system via telephone and then hands you the receiver...
You only get one shot at it and you either get rated as Level 6 which is valid for life, or you get 'no result'... which means you failed. If you failed, you then have to pay like $250 for a 'formal language evaluation' (face to face exam)... you will then get Level 6, level 5 (valid for 6 years), level 4 (valid for 3 years) or failed...
check out the info here:
https://www.asltasman.com/tol/manage...t.aspx?docID=2
I guess being born and growing up in New Zealand, completing High School and then graduating from University (a 'real' one even, not one of those dodgy 'institutes'
) with a Bachelors Degree is not enough to prove that you 'spek da gud england'... 
Had an interesting 'discussion' on this with my flight examiner when I did my PPL earlier this year... he is a Captain with AirNZ... and apparently he had to get one for international ops! wtf?!!?!?
Also, last time I looked at the regs, if you already had a license prior to March 5th... they just 'assumed' your language was OK... however, if you wanted to upgrade to a higher license (PPL -> CPL, or CPL -> ATPL), then you need to do the test...
Also, you *MIGHT* not be allowed to fly overseas without the appropriate endorsement on your license.
You only get one shot at it and you either get rated as Level 6 which is valid for life, or you get 'no result'... which means you failed. If you failed, you then have to pay like $250 for a 'formal language evaluation' (face to face exam)... you will then get Level 6, level 5 (valid for 6 years), level 4 (valid for 3 years) or failed...
check out the info here:
https://www.asltasman.com/tol/manage...t.aspx?docID=2
I guess being born and growing up in New Zealand, completing High School and then graduating from University (a 'real' one even, not one of those dodgy 'institutes'
) with a Bachelors Degree is not enough to prove that you 'spek da gud england'... Had an interesting 'discussion' on this with my flight examiner when I did my PPL earlier this year... he is a Captain with AirNZ... and apparently he had to get one for international ops! wtf?!!?!?
Also, last time I looked at the regs, if you already had a license prior to March 5th... they just 'assumed' your language was OK... however, if you wanted to upgrade to a higher license (PPL -> CPL, or CPL -> ATPL), then you need to do the test...
Also, you *MIGHT* not be allowed to fly overseas without the appropriate endorsement on your license.
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ok. so native englisch speakers do have to sit an englisch test to fly overseas.
what about the asian crews? or like south america or europees?? do they have to sit one before they can fly 'overseas" as well or do they have a waiver, because half off them would otherwise never pass?
what about the asian crews? or like south america or europees?? do they have to sit one before they can fly 'overseas" as well or do they have a waiver, because half off them would otherwise never pass?
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yeah,
ASL have had alotttt of scrunity about the english lanuage test.
They said they've decided to make it standard, because where would you put the line between can and can't?
Plus, if you fail, you don't get money back, and you have to sit a more thorough test with more people, which costs alot more. pffffffft.
But yes, it's pretty much a load of s
t.
I don't see why you can't get judge throughout your flying training or at least a brief conversation with an ASL flight examiner before your CPL, IR, etc. Surely they could judge if you can speak english sufficiently or not!?!?!?!
I'd give my lifes salary to somebody who can get through their flying training to CPL without speaking.
ASL have had alotttt of scrunity about the english lanuage test.
They said they've decided to make it standard, because where would you put the line between can and can't?
Plus, if you fail, you don't get money back, and you have to sit a more thorough test with more people, which costs alot more. pffffffft.
But yes, it's pretty much a load of s
t.I don't see why you can't get judge throughout your flying training or at least a brief conversation with an ASL flight examiner before your CPL, IR, etc. Surely they could judge if you can speak english sufficiently or not!?!?!?!
I'd give my lifes salary to somebody who can get through their flying training to CPL without speaking.
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oh,
plus,
you aren't talking to a real life person.
It's much like an answering machine.
It asks 3 questions. 1 basic and 2 advanced.
The basic one you have to talk for 15 seconds or something on an easy question involving aviation eg "What is your favourite airport and why?"
then the other two you have to talk for 45ish seconds eg "Explain GPS as if you explaining it to somebody with no or little knowledge about it."
"How would you explain to somebody on the street what C-A-T is?"
and then it takes a week or so to 'mark it',
then you get sent your results online,
and your pocket is $100 lighter
plus,
you aren't talking to a real life person.
It's much like an answering machine.
It asks 3 questions. 1 basic and 2 advanced.
The basic one you have to talk for 15 seconds or something on an easy question involving aviation eg "What is your favourite airport and why?"
then the other two you have to talk for 45ish seconds eg "Explain GPS as if you explaining it to somebody with no or little knowledge about it."
"How would you explain to somebody on the street what C-A-T is?"
and then it takes a week or so to 'mark it',
then you get sent your results online,
and your pocket is $100 lighter
When I did it I got a question that was something along the lines of "you are flying in controlled airspace, you have been told by ATC to maintain a particular heading and altitude. You have not heard from them for some time and you know you are flying towards high terrain - you have 30 seconds to explain your concerns to ATC".
Cue a 10 second explanation by me which was significantly wordier than anything you would possibly say in real life - now what to say for the next 20 seconds? I mean seriously, they expect you to talk for 30 seconds on something as simple as "confirm you want XYZ to maintain present heading and altitude?". Seriously.
Cue a 10 second explanation by me which was significantly wordier than anything you would possibly say in real life - now what to say for the next 20 seconds? I mean seriously, they expect you to talk for 30 seconds on something as simple as "confirm you want XYZ to maintain present heading and altitude?". Seriously.
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Yes exactly!
It really is a waste of time and money.
Ohhh well, I guess there's no point moaning about it, 'cause they aren't changing anytime soon
It really is a waste of time and money.
Ohhh well, I guess there's no point moaning about it, 'cause they aren't changing anytime soon
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Here's a question, you already had your CPL and never sat the test, your ATPL comes up and you fail, do you lose your PPL and CPL? even though you have been flying for years and have over 1500hrs, what a stupid system!! maybe it should be pre-solo and thats it! Pass/Fail never done again!
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As far as i understand the ASL is a spoken test not a written one anyway lol.
no offence taken. I know my spelling isnt all to good, but its not that good in my own language either.
some are just better at spelling than other i supose.
I did however pass a written test before moving here.
I could try to pay more attention to my spelling i supose.
and if i get lots off spare time and an interest in spelling one day i might take classes.
cheers
no offence taken. I know my spelling isnt all to good, but its not that good in my own language either.
some are just better at spelling than other i supose.
I did however pass a written test before moving here.
I could try to pay more attention to my spelling i supose.
and if i get lots off spare time and an interest in spelling one day i might take classes.
cheers
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You think you got it bad in NZ and OZ?
I know a British guy who had to sit the English test in a hurry to renew his JAA license, so the only option was to sit it in France. Guess what, they gave him a 4! IIRC. I kid you not. This is the same French, the new master race of Europe, who will only speak English over the R/T if they have to.
You think you got it bad in NZ and OZ?
I know a British guy who had to sit the English test in a hurry to renew his JAA license, so the only option was to sit it in France. Guess what, they gave him a 4! IIRC. I kid you not. This is the same French, the new master race of Europe, who will only speak English over the R/T if they have to.
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English language level 6 assessment
The English language level 6 (for 'expert' speakers) proficiency test can be done in Australia with any ATO approved for it. ATO's endorsements can be viewed on the CASA website (Flight crew exams and licences - Approved Testing Officers ) to find a suitable ATO in your area. For 15 minutes of his/her time and a few autographs, this will cost you anywhere between nil and $40, depending on how well you know the person.
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Future wanneby boeing capt, may i asume you are aware off the afap website?
they just posted a job in lajamanu, NT on there,
they do a fair bit off flying, the place the operate out off is a dump, but you don't need to worry about that you want hours in your logbook i think?
Ignore the hours they ask for, just ring them up. al you can do is try. cheers
they just posted a job in lajamanu, NT on there,
they do a fair bit off flying, the place the operate out off is a dump, but you don't need to worry about that you want hours in your logbook i think?
Ignore the hours they ask for, just ring them up. al you can do is try. cheers
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I have had my licence converted to an Aussie licence and this place only cost me 100$ to get everything signed.
Short and Co
See David Short. Nice guy easy going and only charged me a ton, if i got to his office before his busy day kicked in. As you go in its the first office on the right, but see the office ladies at the counter. Get there early and he'll be happy to help ( early means just as he gets to work. Amazing how some people can make 100 dollars in cash before the 9am start bell isn't it! )
The English requirements have only recently been introduced. So add another 100$ or so onto the rest of the bills to get the Aussie licence.
FS1200
It simply is NZ staying complaint with the world ( ICAO ) and not really sure how to go about implementing a successful efficient English testing system. So, what exists currently is what a bunch a people around a board can think up. Some kind of test has to made and put in to place, other wise NZ would fall out of line. And the ICAO would have to remind them to organize themselves. So, the CAA has come up with what we have. But, sadly, they feel warranted to charge the ridiculous sum of $100. And, that cannot be justified, as of yet.
Short and Co
See David Short. Nice guy easy going and only charged me a ton, if i got to his office before his busy day kicked in. As you go in its the first office on the right, but see the office ladies at the counter. Get there early and he'll be happy to help ( early means just as he gets to work. Amazing how some people can make 100 dollars in cash before the 9am start bell isn't it! )
The English requirements have only recently been introduced. So add another 100$ or so onto the rest of the bills to get the Aussie licence.
FS1200
It simply is NZ staying complaint with the world ( ICAO ) and not really sure how to go about implementing a successful efficient English testing system. So, what exists currently is what a bunch a people around a board can think up. Some kind of test has to made and put in to place, other wise NZ would fall out of line. And the ICAO would have to remind them to organize themselves. So, the CAA has come up with what we have. But, sadly, they feel warranted to charge the ridiculous sum of $100. And, that cannot be justified, as of yet.
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Thanks yes i've been poking around on that site for a while now :]
Yes i was at the student pilot conference, the Q+A with Alan Gill took over an hour and a significant majority of all the question were about the english tests.
Yes i was at the student pilot conference, the Q+A with Alan Gill took over an hour and a significant majority of all the question were about the english tests.
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A deaf person can get a doctorate in english
Watching the Instructor do sign language while trying to land the plane would be rather difficult.
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Before you can get a cpl of course, you must hold a ppl, so of course you must have a class 2 medical, so of course you must've passed a hearing test!!??
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I've been reading about that Trans Tasman mutual agreement.
I've got a 6 out of 7 NZ ATPL subjects.. is it true if I was to move over to Auz that they wouldn't mean anything and I'd have to start my ATPL's again in Auz?
I believe that's what it says in here but I might be wrong:
http://www.casa.gov.au/fcl/download/ttmra.pdf
I've got a 6 out of 7 NZ ATPL subjects.. is it true if I was to move over to Auz that they wouldn't mean anything and I'd have to start my ATPL's again in Auz?
I believe that's what it says in here but I might be wrong:
http://www.casa.gov.au/fcl/download/ttmra.pdf