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If you are issued with a company ASIC normally you must only use it for company business. The company did not pay for it so you could go and hire light aircraft on your days off. If unsure read the issuing instructions.
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What harm can it do.
They probably wouldn't issue you a second ASIC anyway, which means your employer would be denying you the right to fly after hours (and yes, there are some that would do that).
If my CFO did that he'd cop a nasty-gram, then I'd ignore him
They probably wouldn't issue you a second ASIC anyway, which means your employer would be denying you the right to fly after hours (and yes, there are some that would do that).
If my CFO did that he'd cop a nasty-gram, then I'd ignore him
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You cannot have two ASICs and this very problem has been identified by Issuing Bodies with the Department where a person has an ASIC supplied by their employer but may also need the ASIC for other purposes, ie recreational flying.
Options are: Go to your boss and explain what you are doing. Unless they are a total anal retentive, they should not have a problem with allowing you to use your ASIC. Or, Have your company issued ASIC cancelled and apply for your own. I am not 100% certain but I believe it is possible to process a new application prior to cancelling the previous card. Just so long as the new card is not issued without cancelling the previous one.
Options are: Go to your boss and explain what you are doing. Unless they are a total anal retentive, they should not have a problem with allowing you to use your ASIC. Or, Have your company issued ASIC cancelled and apply for your own. I am not 100% certain but I believe it is possible to process a new application prior to cancelling the previous card. Just so long as the new card is not issued without cancelling the previous one.
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You definitely CAN have two ASIC cards.
I have two, one issued by the airline that I fly for and the other issued by CASA. One belongs to the airline and will be surrendered when i leave, the other i keep cos it belongs to me.
I wouldn't try using a company ASIC for private use as I know that it's forbidden under threat of death and dismemberment by various important airline and gov' departments.
I have two, one issued by the airline that I fly for and the other issued by CASA. One belongs to the airline and will be surrendered when i leave, the other i keep cos it belongs to me.
I wouldn't try using a company ASIC for private use as I know that it's forbidden under threat of death and dismemberment by various important airline and gov' departments.
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I also have two - one issued by my airline and one private. While my company allows use of the ASIC for private flying, if I left the airline I'd have no ASIC for a period. Many airline staff have 2...
From the Australian Government ASIC Website:
What is an ASIC?
An Aviation Security Identification Card, known as an ASIC, is an identification card which is used to identify a person who has been the subject of a background check.
An ASIC is required to obtain unescorted access to the secure areas of security controlled airports that have regular public transport (RPT) services.
Reading this, I can't see a requirement to have an ASIC, additional to my current company card!
My company card is issued by one of the Issuing Bodies!
Whether I am flying commercially or privately is not relevant! I would expect it to be accepted Australia wide regardless!
What is an ASIC?
An Aviation Security Identification Card, known as an ASIC, is an identification card which is used to identify a person who has been the subject of a background check.
An ASIC is required to obtain unescorted access to the secure areas of security controlled airports that have regular public transport (RPT) services.
Reading this, I can't see a requirement to have an ASIC, additional to my current company card!
My company card is issued by one of the Issuing Bodies!
Whether I am flying commercially or privately is not relevant! I would expect it to be accepted Australia wide regardless!
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I am told that it is an offence under the regs to use a "Company ASIC " for non Company visits/use at an airport.This would mean you need your "Own ASIC" for such visits/use.
An offence under the regs?
Which reg, if you don't mind me asking?
Sounds more like an action in contravention of a particular company's procedures, which you may or may not have signed when you applied for your ASIC through them, but not against any law.
Which reg, if you don't mind me asking?
Sounds more like an action in contravention of a particular company's procedures, which you may or may not have signed when you applied for your ASIC through them, but not against any law.
There's nothing in the ATSR 2005 that restricts use of particular ASICs. All it does talk about is "a valid ASIC". I'm sure certain issuing bodies that happen to be airlines restrict use of their own cards for non-company use, but that's not because of the regulations.
So in answer to your original question, yes, you can use an airline-issued ASIC for private flying, provided the airline lets you.
So in answer to your original question, yes, you can use an airline-issued ASIC for private flying, provided the airline lets you.
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You don't need two ASIC's there is no stipulation in the Act or Regs that requires an ASIC for work and or for pleasure, a company can not stop you using an ASIC which they have supplied, it is your background check and your proof that you have been cleared for unescorted access.
The only stipulation or offence is if you do not have a genuine need to be in a particular place. ie on your day off you hire an aircraft and go flying - that would indicate you have a genuine need to go airside.
On the flip side on your day off if you go to Sydney airport and want to have a look around the tarmac - well then you wouldn't have a genuine need to be there and have committed an offence under the ATSR.
The issuing bodies are responsible for your ASIC not your company. I have one issued be WAC (Perth airport) which is used for work and pleasure. WAC do not stipulate or control how I use it.
The only stipulation or offence is if you do not have a genuine need to be in a particular place. ie on your day off you hire an aircraft and go flying - that would indicate you have a genuine need to go airside.
On the flip side on your day off if you go to Sydney airport and want to have a look around the tarmac - well then you wouldn't have a genuine need to be there and have committed an offence under the ATSR.
The issuing bodies are responsible for your ASIC not your company. I have one issued be WAC (Perth airport) which is used for work and pleasure. WAC do not stipulate or control how I use it.
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I have been told that some Airlines in Australia make it a condition of emploment that the use of their ASIC is only for access whilst carrying out your duties of emploment. That would mean when you want to go private flying you would need a personel ASIC ???
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This is quite an interesting scenario. Nothing in the regulaions specifies that a person cannot have more than one ASIC. However the relevant people in the department assure me that it the intention is definitely that not more than one card can be held by a person at the same time. The
closest reg that comes to this is:
6.35(4) The issuing body may issue a replacement permanent red ASIC in substitution for a permanent grey ASIC (or vice versa), or an airport-specific ASIC for an Australia-wide ASIC (or vice versa), or an ASIC specific to an airport for one specific to another airport.
I know that still doesn't clearly answer the question though.
closest reg that comes to this is:
6.35(4) The issuing body may issue a replacement permanent red ASIC in substitution for a permanent grey ASIC (or vice versa), or an airport-specific ASIC for an Australia-wide ASIC (or vice versa), or an ASIC specific to an airport for one specific to another airport.
I know that still doesn't clearly answer the question though.
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An ASIC is an ASIC by definition and it is there to prove that the holder has been security checked to be a proper person to be airside at a secured aerodrome and at the controls of an aircraft. There is no call in the regulations to have a ASIC for every type of flight you go on (private or otherwise) They were designed to weed out any potential terrorists amongst us...