ASIC ?
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Looks like the answers is this. If you have a company ASIC you can use it for personal use UNLESS the company states this is not allowed under their conditions of employment, THEN you would need a personal one as well to go private flying.
I think this is correct
I think this is correct
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That's it in a nutshell Farrari.
Many of us have two ASIC's, as the more well informed folks here have pointed out. That's if you want to keep on the right of the law and your employer.
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Many of us have two ASIC's, as the more well informed folks here have pointed out. That's if you want to keep on the right of the law and your employer.
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Not disputing for a moment the fact that there are people holding more than one ASIC, all I have said is what the official position on the matter is. I wonder if those who say they have two ASICs obtained them since September 2007 under the Auscheck background checking system or under the old AFP system? If it was under Auscheck - I would be very surprised indeed.
I will reiterate though that any employer who tries to hold you over a barrel and say you can only use your card whilst in their employ despite the fact that you have lawful reason to otherwise be airside is being somewhat anal. Although I could understand it you are employed casually and you are using your ASIC to work for another employer at different times.
I will reiterate though that any employer who tries to hold you over a barrel and say you can only use your card whilst in their employ despite the fact that you have lawful reason to otherwise be airside is being somewhat anal. Although I could understand it you are employed casually and you are using your ASIC to work for another employer at different times.
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The whole thing is absolutely rediculous. None of this would be necessary if proper security checks were made before issuing pilot licences. Then pilot licences could be used instead of this silly ASIC.
I remember one night a long time ago I flew an aeroplane to Darwin for the RFDS in the wee small hours. An ambulance met us on the tarmac, and when we had transferred the patient he left. We put the seats and stretcher back in the aeroplane, and I said to the medic " I have to put in a flight plan for the return flight, and I bet we can get a cup of coffee at the briefing office."
But we could not. The gates were all securely locked, and we caould not get off the tarmac. So I called the tower and got them to send the security bloke over to open one. He let us out, but wanted to re lock the gate and go home. He had to wait.
Another time in Darwin a security bloke came up and complained that one wheel of my C402 had gone over the line that marked the edge of the high strength pavement. I think he should heve been in the car park instead of airside. A C402 does not require high strength pavement.
At Alice Springs, before mobile phones there was a sign that gave a phone number you could ring to get the magic numbers for the push button gate. After hours (15 hours per day) the nearest phone was 16km away.
This is what our security organisations do.
Why do we need squillions of different types of ASIC's. Why do we need ASIC's at all. Why not use credit card type pilot licences that will open electronic gates?
Since when did commercial organisations "own" govt issued security information? I always thought CASA was a subsidiary of major airlines. This airline owned ASIC seems to re inforce that.
I remember one night a long time ago I flew an aeroplane to Darwin for the RFDS in the wee small hours. An ambulance met us on the tarmac, and when we had transferred the patient he left. We put the seats and stretcher back in the aeroplane, and I said to the medic " I have to put in a flight plan for the return flight, and I bet we can get a cup of coffee at the briefing office."
But we could not. The gates were all securely locked, and we caould not get off the tarmac. So I called the tower and got them to send the security bloke over to open one. He let us out, but wanted to re lock the gate and go home. He had to wait.
Another time in Darwin a security bloke came up and complained that one wheel of my C402 had gone over the line that marked the edge of the high strength pavement. I think he should heve been in the car park instead of airside. A C402 does not require high strength pavement.
At Alice Springs, before mobile phones there was a sign that gave a phone number you could ring to get the magic numbers for the push button gate. After hours (15 hours per day) the nearest phone was 16km away.
This is what our security organisations do.
Why do we need squillions of different types of ASIC's. Why do we need ASIC's at all. Why not use credit card type pilot licences that will open electronic gates?
Since when did commercial organisations "own" govt issued security information? I always thought CASA was a subsidiary of major airlines. This airline owned ASIC seems to re inforce that.
Last edited by bushy; 12th Sep 2008 at 03:17.
Essendon's fingerprint scanner access to the apron is a good way to not need a key, but it does require you make your first trip through the gates starting airside.
Cairns Port Authority issues ASICs with a RFID chip inside them, that you can hold next to a vehicle access gate and it opens. (Shame it doesn't work for the pedestrian gates, but most humans can fit through the vehicle gates on the first couple of days after they change the key code).
Simplest of all is the idea of simply writing the gate code on the airside side of the gate.
Or choosing a "difficult" code, like the one at Fitzroy Crossing.
Cairns Port Authority issues ASICs with a RFID chip inside them, that you can hold next to a vehicle access gate and it opens. (Shame it doesn't work for the pedestrian gates, but most humans can fit through the vehicle gates on the first couple of days after they change the key code).
Simplest of all is the idea of simply writing the gate code on the airside side of the gate.
Or choosing a "difficult" code, like the one at Fitzroy Crossing.
