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No matter what we do or say or how hard we try to convince them, there will always be those that have those beliefs and all we can do is ignore them, otherwise we will just sound like whingers. We all know what might have happened and how it could happen to any one of us, so it's a timely reminder to see and be seen.
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Yes... though curiously the body of the article does not say so (just that it was a solo). The only mention of "first solo" is in the headline, so could be a bit of creative licence from the subeditors.
Trainee pilot's solo flight death dive - National - smh.com.au
Trainee pilot's solo flight death dive - National - smh.com.au
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ATSB are holding their media conference tomorrow at 10:30am (details on their press release)
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Nearby resident Jim Hilcke said: "I watched the plane fly over and thought it was coming very close to another plane, then I saw a third plane and that was the one that it hit, the right-wing tip hit the tail of the plane that crashed....
sounds like the piper came down on the Cessna.
sad day indeed.
sounds like the piper came down on the Cessna.
sad day indeed.
C-150 down near YMMB
A trainee pilot on his first solo flight died when his plane clipped another aircraft and crashed, barely missing several homes and a school in Melbourne.
The aviation student from India crashed his Cessna 150 into a garage attached to several single storey units about 20 metres from Cheltenham East Primary School in Melbourne's southeast.
Ambulance Victoria group manager Peter Swan said the scene in Lorna Street was chaotic when paramedics arrived but it was lucky no school students or residents were killed.
"It's a residential area and main through road for a local school opposite the residents so despite the tragic outcome of one person deceased, we're very lucky no other person was affected," he told reporters.
The male pilot in the other plane, a Piper Warrior, was also an Indian trainee but was accompanied by another qualified pilot.
They were uninjured and landed the plane safely at nearby Moorabbin Airport from where both aircraft took off.
"The male pilot was on his own and we believe under some form of instruction," Police Inspector Tom Shawyer told reporters at the scene.
"The other plane involved was occupied by two males who we believe were also under some form of instruction."
A group of Indian trainee pilots visited the scene soon after and confirmed the dead man had left Moorabbin Airport on Wednesday afternoon, but they did not know him personally.
"He was on his first solo flight and came quite close to a collision and was forced to do a spiral dive," trainee pilot Ben Zachariah said.
"He would have been doing circuits which means you are not more than 1,000 feet (305 metres) high and couldn't have had time to do it safely."
Nearby resident Jim Hilcke said he was in his backyard when he saw a plane flying low just before 12.40pm (AEST).
"I watched the plane fly over and thought it was coming very close to another plane, then I saw a third plane and that was the one that it hit, the right wing tip hit the tail of the plane that crashed," Mr Hilcke told AAP.
"I think the attention of the pilot would have been on the first plane that he was getting really close to.
"I saw them hit each other. It crashed down and went out of sight. I heard a bang and smoke went up.
"I **** myself and rang triple 0."
A witness who gave his name as Darren was one of the first on the scene and tried to save the pilot.
"I was driving by and I heard a big bang and saw him go into the back of a fellow's garage," Darren told Fairfax Radio Network.
"Me and another couple of guys jumped in and borrowed a fire extinguisher from the school to put it out."
Lorna Street resident Kevin Fennessy said he heard a plane flying very low and, as it got over his neighbour's house, he could tell the engine was not firing properly.
"The next thing I knew there was a loud explosion and black smoke," he told Fairfax Radio.
All students at the primary school were safe and well, a police spokeswoman said.
Manager at nearby Moorabbin Airport Phil McConnell said the plane that crashed was a Cessna 150 while the one it clipped moments earlier was a Piper Warrior.
The aviation student from India crashed his Cessna 150 into a garage attached to several single storey units about 20 metres from Cheltenham East Primary School in Melbourne's southeast.
Ambulance Victoria group manager Peter Swan said the scene in Lorna Street was chaotic when paramedics arrived but it was lucky no school students or residents were killed.
"It's a residential area and main through road for a local school opposite the residents so despite the tragic outcome of one person deceased, we're very lucky no other person was affected," he told reporters.
The male pilot in the other plane, a Piper Warrior, was also an Indian trainee but was accompanied by another qualified pilot.
They were uninjured and landed the plane safely at nearby Moorabbin Airport from where both aircraft took off.
"The male pilot was on his own and we believe under some form of instruction," Police Inspector Tom Shawyer told reporters at the scene.
"The other plane involved was occupied by two males who we believe were also under some form of instruction."
A group of Indian trainee pilots visited the scene soon after and confirmed the dead man had left Moorabbin Airport on Wednesday afternoon, but they did not know him personally.
"He was on his first solo flight and came quite close to a collision and was forced to do a spiral dive," trainee pilot Ben Zachariah said.
"He would have been doing circuits which means you are not more than 1,000 feet (305 metres) high and couldn't have had time to do it safely."
Nearby resident Jim Hilcke said he was in his backyard when he saw a plane flying low just before 12.40pm (AEST).
"I watched the plane fly over and thought it was coming very close to another plane, then I saw a third plane and that was the one that it hit, the right wing tip hit the tail of the plane that crashed," Mr Hilcke told AAP.
"I think the attention of the pilot would have been on the first plane that he was getting really close to.
"I saw them hit each other. It crashed down and went out of sight. I heard a bang and smoke went up.
"I **** myself and rang triple 0."
A witness who gave his name as Darren was one of the first on the scene and tried to save the pilot.
"I was driving by and I heard a big bang and saw him go into the back of a fellow's garage," Darren told Fairfax Radio Network.
"Me and another couple of guys jumped in and borrowed a fire extinguisher from the school to put it out."
Lorna Street resident Kevin Fennessy said he heard a plane flying very low and, as it got over his neighbour's house, he could tell the engine was not firing properly.
"The next thing I knew there was a loud explosion and black smoke," he told Fairfax Radio.
All students at the primary school were safe and well, a police spokeswoman said.
Manager at nearby Moorabbin Airport Phil McConnell said the plane that crashed was a Cessna 150 while the one it clipped moments earlier was a Piper Warrior.
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The Age have reported it was the first solo flight of the pilot as well. Both trainee's are reported to be from India:
Hopefully, once he is able to, the qualified instructor will be able to shed some light on what occurred and end some speculation.
The aviation student from India crashed his Cessna 150 into a garage attached to several single storey units just before 12.40pm, metres from Cheltenham East Primary School in Melbourne's south-east.
The male pilot in the other plane, a Piper Warrior, was also an Indian trainee but was accompanied by another qualified pilot.
The male pilot in the other plane, a Piper Warrior, was also an Indian trainee but was accompanied by another qualified pilot.
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Good point SMS777, I can't imagine what the instructor must be feeling about now, my feelings go out for him & others that are in the same position when they send out a student solo.
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How insensitive can they be? Half the articles/comments talk about how "its only a matter of time" "it always worries me"
One comment I saw said "well maybe now pilots will realise that people live in the houses under them"
Spare a thought for the unfortunate people involved, and the families of the victim.
One comment I saw said "well maybe now pilots will realise that people live in the houses under them"
Spare a thought for the unfortunate people involved, and the families of the victim.
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The news showed the 150 running up the back of the Warrior (pictured as another 150) with it's wing hitting the tail, then the rear aircraft falling away. Seems hard to believe based on the laws of aerodynamics that a 150 was overtaking a Warrior. I don't quite trust their CGI animations on this occasion!
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it`s never nice news to hear a fellow pilot has taken their last flight but it`s even harder to swallow when it was their first as well.
a real shame and my heart goes out to the family and friends of the deceased.
a forced spiral dive?
a real shame and my heart goes out to the family and friends of the deceased.
"He was on his first solo flight and came quite close to a collision and was forced to do a spiral dive," trainee pilot Ben Zachariah said.
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I quote.................
"He was on his first solo flight and came quite close to a collision and was forced to do a spiral dive," trainee pilot Ben Zachariah said.
"He would have been doing circuits which means you are not more than 1,000 feet (305 metres) high and couldn't have had time to do it safely."
Both pilots were training through the RVAC and it was likely the dead trainee would have been receiving radio instruction from the club.
I dont think he would have had time to be forced to do anything. Obvious loss of controlability gave him no choice in where he was going to end up. Nor would there have been any time for radio comms between him and the club......
I wish the media would not print such rubbish.
Terrible tragedy on yr first Solo, my thoughts to all down there who have been affected by this.
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"He was on his first solo flight and came quite close to a collision and was forced to do a spiral dive," trainee pilot Ben Zachariah said.
"He would have been doing circuits which means you are not more than 1,000 feet (305 metres) high and couldn't have had time to do it safely."
Both pilots were training through the RVAC and it was likely the dead trainee would have been receiving radio instruction from the club.
I dont think he would have had time to be forced to do anything. Obvious loss of controlability gave him no choice in where he was going to end up. Nor would there have been any time for radio comms between him and the club......
I wish the media would not print such rubbish.
Terrible tragedy on yr first Solo, my thoughts to all down there who have been affected by this.
Sleeve
