SE Turbine time
Chieftains and Partenavia's can fly home with only one going, and both have in fact done so.
Know of two people who have had engine failures in chieftains both of them went straight down.
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hahahah tinpis
A PA31 & the likes are a step above a SE, at least you have options with a twin. It may very well not hold height with a failed donk but with a SE there is only one way, & that's down every time !
I had the pleasure (if you can call it that) of once flying Sneca 2 on one, well one at around idle pwr due to magy problems & with only 3 on board it was scarey, full pwr on the good one held height but with little margin.
Why do they make twin pistons planes in the first place? So you can gain experience at trying to stay alive to go onto flying the big shinny silver jet liner:-) If the airlines accepted only SE time then there would be a zillion twins parked up againet the fence!
Twin hrs, we all need 'em, that much one will never change.
CW
A PA31 & the likes are a step above a SE, at least you have options with a twin. It may very well not hold height with a failed donk but with a SE there is only one way, & that's down every time !
I had the pleasure (if you can call it that) of once flying Sneca 2 on one, well one at around idle pwr due to magy problems & with only 3 on board it was scarey, full pwr on the good one held height but with little margin.
Why do they make twin pistons planes in the first place? So you can gain experience at trying to stay alive to go onto flying the big shinny silver jet liner:-) If the airlines accepted only SE time then there would be a zillion twins parked up againet the fence!
Twin hrs, we all need 'em, that much one will never change.
CW
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Chieftains and Partenavia's can fly home with only one going, and both have in fact done so.
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Cathay Pacific
Minimum Requirements
All Second Officer applicants must meet the following minimum requirements:
Minimum Requirements
All Second Officer applicants must meet the following minimum requirements:
- An ICAO Airline Transport Pilot's License (ATPL) (obtained without exemptions) or ICAO Commercial Pilot's License (CPL) (obtained without exemptions) with passes in all ATPL ground examinations
- A Valid Multi-Engine Instrument Rating
- A minimum of 1000 hours fixed wing (preference will be given to applicants with turbine or multi-engine experience)
- Experience commensurate with age
- A current Class One Medical
- Fluent spoken & written English
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I wonder how many get in with the bare min? The experiencd "commensurate with age" always gets me. Someone at 40 with say 2000TT could very well be far more 'experienced' than someone with 4000TT at age 30. Still we are but puppets when it comes to the airlines, they say jump & most will say how high? But agree any turbine exp is better than none.
Very funny 'HH' & am sure capt nomad can't wait for the next installment
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Very funny 'HH'
& am sure capt nomad can't wait for the next installmentCW
In my very humble opinion, I would take a Caravan over a Chieftan any day of the week.
Why?
What is the stall speed of a caravan vs Vmca of a PA31?
I'd much rather mush it into the trees at 50 knots than end up inverted and going down quick at im guessing over 75. It a matter of energy and inertia.
Plus with all GOOD Vans, there is a terrain page for when you are gliding in IMC. But if you arent keeping yourself updated on a map as to where appropriate low ground is then there aint no helping you anyway
j3
Why?
What is the stall speed of a caravan vs Vmca of a PA31?
I'd much rather mush it into the trees at 50 knots than end up inverted and going down quick at im guessing over 75. It a matter of energy and inertia.
Plus with all GOOD Vans, there is a terrain page for when you are gliding in IMC. But if you arent keeping yourself updated on a map as to where appropriate low ground is then there aint no helping you anyway
j3
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Thread drift here but im allowed
From speaking to pilots that have had to do a forced landing in trees and on water you never want to "mush" it into anything fly it all the way down.
From speaking to pilots that have had to do a forced landing in trees and on water you never want to "mush" it into anything fly it all the way down.
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RE CX minimums
When my career started, all i wanted to do is fly for cathay. I flew piston floatplanes and loved it. With miles away from the requirements i applied and received the standard PFO, and advice to get turbine or twin time. As it turned out, the company just bought a caravan on amphibs. With 2000 TT i was allowed to ride in the back, and with 4000TT and 2000 water landings i got a go. With 1000 yours on turbines i sent an update, and was told that they mean to say twin time or multi turbine. So i was back to square one. 
I since flew twin otters on floats and lived the expat life with a family along for the ride. I figure that might offer some bonus points with the family living away from home and the attrition of wives hating HK. I had friends retired as checkys and even in as checkys, and now I am on a jet, I never got the call even to this day.
If you want to fly jets, it won't help. If you want to fly floats then turbine time is gold if you want to fly bigger ones, and a caravan, turbo otter/beaver is the best single rating you can do. My turbine time and float time with a bare twin rating was the priority when I got my twin turb job. Its different i know, but i feel worthy of mentioning here.
best wishes
I since flew twin otters on floats and lived the expat life with a family along for the ride. I figure that might offer some bonus points with the family living away from home and the attrition of wives hating HK. I had friends retired as checkys and even in as checkys, and now I am on a jet, I never got the call even to this day.If you want to fly jets, it won't help. If you want to fly floats then turbine time is gold if you want to fly bigger ones, and a caravan, turbo otter/beaver is the best single rating you can do. My turbine time and float time with a bare twin rating was the priority when I got my twin turb job. Its different i know, but i feel worthy of mentioning here.
best wishes
Ok Stormy, i'll rephrase it,
75 knots or 50 knots, your choice! I know which one I would much prefer, simply from an energy point of view.
Spending a bit of time on a 208 before moving on to a c90 compared to flogging around in Chieftans and Barons, ultimately your choice, but IMHO you'd be mad not to go van flying for a bit.
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75 knots or 50 knots, your choice! I know which one I would much prefer, simply from an energy point of view.
Spending a bit of time on a 208 before moving on to a c90 compared to flogging around in Chieftans and Barons, ultimately your choice, but IMHO you'd be mad not to go van flying for a bit.
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I know of a guy who got into Cathay with 5000 TT of only which 70 was multi, the majority was single engine turbine in ag machines. I guess at the end of the day if you're what they're looking for then qualifications in terms of experience can vary.
I know of a guy who got into Cathay with 5000 TT of only which 70 was multi, the majority was single engine turbine in ag machines. I guess at the end of the day if you're what they're looking for then qualifications in terms of experience can vary.
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Its not the turbine time or the multi that should considered and is from many airlines, its the I F time. A current I F Pilot with sound procedures is gold for airlines. Taking someone flying a modern SE IFR aircraft is far better tha a Pilot flying a clapped out twin VFR or pretend Aussie I F R in the NT.
Take it from me, Ive had to deal with both.
Take it from me, Ive had to deal with both.
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It seems you may be the only one wound up here neville. As far as I am aware he has just been promoted to FO on the Airbus fleet.
Nowhere in the minimum requirements does it state a minimum requirement for multi time and or turbine, only that it is desired. At the end of the day he met the minimum requirements and I understand it was his high PIC and Turbine time that stood him in good stead.....and a good Attitude.
Happy??, or do you want me to wind a little more?
Nowhere in the minimum requirements does it state a minimum requirement for multi time and or turbine, only that it is desired. At the end of the day he met the minimum requirements and I understand it was his high PIC and Turbine time that stood him in good stead.....and a good Attitude.
Happy??, or do you want me to wind a little more?
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Vmca
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Mate Vmca might be 78 in a Chieftain... but remember VMCA is calculated/demonstrated in specific configuration....
.... including FULL POWER ON THE OPERATIVE ENGINE
Ain't no way I'm trying a forced landing OEI with full power on the good 'un.
Mate Vmca might be 78 in a Chieftain... but remember VMCA is calculated/demonstrated in specific configuration....
.... including FULL POWER ON THE OPERATIVE ENGINE
Ain't no way I'm trying a forced landing OEI with full power on the good 'un.