Jeppesen Airways Manual or Airservices DAP'S
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thanks old akro ,
i might just get the jepps without the binders and hunt for binders somewhere else as they charge quite a bit of money for just da binders.
thanks for your info
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i might just get the jepps without the binders and hunt for binders somewhere else as they charge quite a bit of money for just da binders.
thanks for your info
cheers
Bear in mind that the NOTAMs you get from ASA (NAIPS AVFAX Briefing Office etc) only relate to the ASA AIP (DAP etc.)- they won't cover your Jepps.
ASA don't normally issue NOTAMs for errors or changes to Jepp plates unless it is either something that presents them air traffic management issues (eg. SID STAR plate bungles) or is a real serious safety issue.
Not being a user of Jepp I don't know how you get a daily NOTAM bulletin from them as you do from ASA.
ASA don't normally issue NOTAMs for errors or changes to Jepp plates unless it is either something that presents them air traffic management issues (eg. SID STAR plate bungles) or is a real serious safety issue.
Not being a user of Jepp I don't know how you get a daily NOTAM bulletin from them as you do from ASA.
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I'll throw my 2c in - I'm studying for my IREX right now, using Jepps - the hardest thing to get over (purely from an CIR/IREX study point of view) is that very few study books or publications reference the Jepps (Bob Tait is good in this respect).
So you'll have to get comfortable with where all the ASA AIP info is contained in the Jepps. For instance, one of the first things I realised is that the individual navaid info is not contained in the Airport Directory (as it is in ERSA), but in a separate Radio Aids section. Another example - the alternate minima are listed on the aerodrome chart in Jepps, but in DAPs they're listed on the approach plate. Route LSALT is called MOCA on the Jepp charts, and Grid LSALT is called MORA - there are also some references (in the non-AU sections) to MSAs only being used in emergencies etc etc etc etc. Once you've got your head around where all the info is contained (and tagged all the pages up), you should find the Jepps great to work with. I am very comfortable with them now, 3 weeks out from the exam.
Another minor factor is that the exam will reference the ERCs by number - and you'll have to figure out what chart this corresponds to on the Jepps (as they don't cover the exact same areas). I remember one poster here mentioning that on his ATPL flight planning exam, a route that was contained on one ERC chart went over the boundary of 2 Jepp charts, making that question a bit difficult.
Anyway, hope this gives you some more info. Cheers.
So you'll have to get comfortable with where all the ASA AIP info is contained in the Jepps. For instance, one of the first things I realised is that the individual navaid info is not contained in the Airport Directory (as it is in ERSA), but in a separate Radio Aids section. Another example - the alternate minima are listed on the aerodrome chart in Jepps, but in DAPs they're listed on the approach plate. Route LSALT is called MOCA on the Jepp charts, and Grid LSALT is called MORA - there are also some references (in the non-AU sections) to MSAs only being used in emergencies etc etc etc etc. Once you've got your head around where all the info is contained (and tagged all the pages up), you should find the Jepps great to work with. I am very comfortable with them now, 3 weeks out from the exam.
Another minor factor is that the exam will reference the ERCs by number - and you'll have to figure out what chart this corresponds to on the Jepps (as they don't cover the exact same areas). I remember one poster here mentioning that on his ATPL flight planning exam, a route that was contained on one ERC chart went over the boundary of 2 Jepp charts, making that question a bit difficult.
Anyway, hope this gives you some more info. Cheers.
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It's been some time since I gained my IREX, but for ZB and those who are planning to sit the IREX theory exam, this is what CASA says:
"As provided under CAR 233(1)(h), on a candidate's own preference, Jeppesen Airway Manual may be used as an examination reference in place of CASA's AIP complete, but if any differences between CASA and Jeppesen documents result in the selection of incorrect answer(s), CASA will NOT accept this consequence as a basis for re-mark. (Only ONE set of documents, either CASA's or Jeppesen but NOT both, may be used)."
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I think DAPs and Jepps both have their own strengths but conflicts for the purposes of IREX are resolved in favour of DAPs.
"As provided under CAR 233(1)(h), on a candidate's own preference, Jeppesen Airway Manual may be used as an examination reference in place of CASA's AIP complete, but if any differences between CASA and Jeppesen documents result in the selection of incorrect answer(s), CASA will NOT accept this consequence as a basis for re-mark. (Only ONE set of documents, either CASA's or Jeppesen but NOT both, may be used)."
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I think DAPs and Jepps both have their own strengths but conflicts for the purposes of IREX are resolved in favour of DAPs.
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Yeah I was a bit worried about that when I first read it - but I think any errors will be due not to a conflict of information between ASA pubs and Jepps, but due to Jepp users not knowing how to interpret their information properly, or locate it in the manual, like some of the examples given above.
I'd like to know if anybody ever got a question wrong due to the actual data or information in Jepps being wrong or different, as opposed to getting a question wrong cause you didn't familiarise yourself properly with the manual. I'm pretty comfortable with it now - I'm finding myself zipping straight to the correct section when doing practice questions.
I'd like to know if anybody ever got a question wrong due to the actual data or information in Jepps being wrong or different, as opposed to getting a question wrong cause you didn't familiarise yourself properly with the manual. I'm pretty comfortable with it now - I'm finding myself zipping straight to the correct section when doing practice questions.
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Mate if you haven't done so - I recommend Bob Tait's IREX study guide, it's a good book, and it's really good at providing Jepp references to tag up while preparing for the exam.
If you haven't figured it out already, and you probably have - the bulk of the references you'll need (apart from the approach plates of course) are in the Air Traffic Control and Terminal sections (which are neatly divided). There's some other relevant sections worth tagging in the Radio Aids and Met sections.
Another trap when you're beginning - beware of the indexes, they list everything available in the Jepp packages across other countries - you won't have those pages in the Aus airway manual - but they will still be listed in the index (so you may blindly search for them). So you have to find the "Australia" section of the index, where all the pages will be numbered "AU-xxx". These are the only sections you need to worry about, as they mirror the AIP. Beware of sections or pages not in the AU section - they seem to contain a lot of ICAO or worldwide info, which can conflict with Australian procedure and that contained in the AIP book.
Stick with the Jepps and you'll become very familiar with them in no time. I love them now.
If you haven't figured it out already, and you probably have - the bulk of the references you'll need (apart from the approach plates of course) are in the Air Traffic Control and Terminal sections (which are neatly divided). There's some other relevant sections worth tagging in the Radio Aids and Met sections.
Another trap when you're beginning - beware of the indexes, they list everything available in the Jepp packages across other countries - you won't have those pages in the Aus airway manual - but they will still be listed in the index (so you may blindly search for them). So you have to find the "Australia" section of the index, where all the pages will be numbered "AU-xxx". These are the only sections you need to worry about, as they mirror the AIP. Beware of sections or pages not in the AU section - they seem to contain a lot of ICAO or worldwide info, which can conflict with Australian procedure and that contained in the AIP book.
Stick with the Jepps and you'll become very familiar with them in no time. I love them now.
I don't think changing from DAP to Jepp's should be an issue - I'm guessing you will change aircraft type in the future and you will handle that ok.
If you're not gonna be flying IFR on a regular basis, I wouldn't waste money on Jepps yet - thats some serious moolah that could put 2 minute noodles on the table for a year if you're going GA!
If you're not gonna be flying IFR on a regular basis, I wouldn't waste money on Jepps yet - thats some serious moolah that could put 2 minute noodles on the table for a year if you're going GA!
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With all these people switching to Jepps there must be some cheap DAPs for sale somewhere 
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I bought a set of Jeps about 1 month ago, I personally find them a lot better than the AS AIP/DAPS. I used them for the IREX exam and found them easier to use than the AS AIP/DAPs, there itemized and set out in a more user friendly format. Plus they have all the TACS and ERCS.
For anyone sitting the IREX exam, I passed it 2 weeks ago. I'd recommend knowing Met inside out + TAFS, INTERS, TEMPO's, Flight fuel, ALTERNATES.
Be comfortable with where to find Information in the Regs. Know your HAT Trick and all the little notes in the AIP about HIALS, CAT I ILS, PAN OPS, Circling Min, Engine Failure in IMC and return to departure aerodrome take off minima, Rated coverages and recency requirements not just for CHTR ops but also PVT and Night VFR.
The exam was very much out to trick you with questions often having lots of irrelevant information to slow you down and clog you up, some very poorly written questions and the ERC chart references are for Air Services charts not the Jeps. I did find that after reading my Jeps from front to back it helped me for the exam and know where everything is. Good luck to anyone going for the exam.
For anyone sitting the IREX exam, I passed it 2 weeks ago. I'd recommend knowing Met inside out + TAFS, INTERS, TEMPO's, Flight fuel, ALTERNATES.
Be comfortable with where to find Information in the Regs. Know your HAT Trick and all the little notes in the AIP about HIALS, CAT I ILS, PAN OPS, Circling Min, Engine Failure in IMC and return to departure aerodrome take off minima, Rated coverages and recency requirements not just for CHTR ops but also PVT and Night VFR.
The exam was very much out to trick you with questions often having lots of irrelevant information to slow you down and clog you up, some very poorly written questions and the ERC chart references are for Air Services charts not the Jeps. I did find that after reading my Jeps from front to back it helped me for the exam and know where everything is. Good luck to anyone going for the exam.
Jepps cost me about $330 last year.
That is basically a package that includes:
1/. AIP book
2/. ERSA
3/. DAP E
4/. DAP W
5/. All ERC (L)
6/. All ERC (H)
7/. All TACs
...so it is ALL the documents you need to fly IFR anywhere in Australia in 2 (very full) binders.
The equivalent package from Airservices (just having a quick look) would be $447 in 4 binders plus assorted loose stuff. (This surprised me, I thought that Jepps would be more expensive)
The Jepps are a superior product - it is not coincidence that ALL the airlines use them.
That is basically a package that includes:
1/. AIP book
2/. ERSA
3/. DAP E
4/. DAP W
5/. All ERC (L)
6/. All ERC (H)
7/. All TACs
...so it is ALL the documents you need to fly IFR anywhere in Australia in 2 (very full) binders.
The equivalent package from Airservices (just having a quick look) would be $447 in 4 binders plus assorted loose stuff. (This surprised me, I thought that Jepps would be more expensive)
The Jepps are a superior product - it is not coincidence that ALL the airlines use them.
i might just get the jepps without the binders and hunt for binders somewhere else as they charge quite a bit of money for just da binders.
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JeppView is good. Jepp clearly want to get out of the printing business. But Jeppview doesn't (or at least didn't when I last used it) do flight planning, so you need flight planning software as well. This takes you quickly to Avplan or OzRunways (I prefer Avplan for IFR) and while I think Jeppview is better, having only one subscription / software package wins.
I have both Scott and Jep leather binders, I would recommend buying Jep. second hand.
Scott have very good flight bags, I have been using them for over 30 years - two in that time.
Tootle pip!!
PS: DAPs for passing the exam, Jep. in the real world, passing the exam right now is more imports than a few $$$ in costs.
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