Wyndham Aviation.....Charming? (Not)
Sunfish,
I'm not sure of your profession. LAME?
Assuming you are, have you ever carried out work on an aircraft or aircraft component that has flown grog into a community?
Would you work on one of these aircraft?
I wouldn't be suppriosed if there was some ability for the locals to claim discrimenation if a company refused to supply an aircraft or maintain an aircraft that was legally flown into one of these communities all based on personal feelings. You are assuming every local in the community is an alcoholic. The local council makes the rules not the pilots. The local Police enforce the rules. I have spoent the last 15+ years in the territory and mexicans with big ideas should be required to spoend some time up here, living with them before they open their mouths.
How would you feel if you turned up at a bottle shop with an aboriginal friend and they wouldn't serve him because of his colour, which is what you are suggesting the Pilots should do.
Its a political problem that the Pilots are not responsible for.
I'm not sure of your profession. LAME?
Assuming you are, have you ever carried out work on an aircraft or aircraft component that has flown grog into a community?
Would you work on one of these aircraft?
I wouldn't be suppriosed if there was some ability for the locals to claim discrimenation if a company refused to supply an aircraft or maintain an aircraft that was legally flown into one of these communities all based on personal feelings. You are assuming every local in the community is an alcoholic. The local council makes the rules not the pilots. The local Police enforce the rules. I have spoent the last 15+ years in the territory and mexicans with big ideas should be required to spoend some time up here, living with them before they open their mouths.
How would you feel if you turned up at a bottle shop with an aboriginal friend and they wouldn't serve him because of his colour, which is what you are suggesting the Pilots should do.
Its a political problem that the Pilots are not responsible for.
Silly Old Git
As it is......do you know Sunfish that if yer black white or bridle here in the NT it is a requirement to present ID and supply your name and address if you purchase more than $100 worth of grog?
How would you feel about an invasion of privacy like that in your City?
Simply because a very small part of the community is f@$%king up?
(Possibly as few as 400 easily identified people here in Darwhine.Taken in to protective custody 26000 times last 12 months)
How would you feel about an invasion of privacy like that in your City?
Simply because a very small part of the community is f@$%king up?
(Possibly as few as 400 easily identified people here in Darwhine.Taken in to protective custody 26000 times last 12 months)
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you see the destruction, yet you still fly grog, just for hour building?
Yep and I'd do it again if the pay was better
. What the pax do in their own time is none of my business.
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Agree, i hate everyone equally (and i own a coloured tv) and i have 13 shopping trolleys in my street. At least they are getting smart enough to place them back together so they can get their dollar back, after using it for an improvised open fire grill first though
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There's drinking, and there's drinking to excess.
Unfortunately, drinking to excess near the communities causes a lot of the problems within the communities.
With all due respect, I don't think anything great can be achieved with emotive posts on threads like this.
Unfortunately, drinking to excess near the communities causes a lot of the problems within the communities.
With all due respect, I don't think anything great can be achieved with emotive posts on threads like this.
Sunfish with so many posts you must be wise!
Fer fu(*s sake are we still talkin bout this?! Look here Sunfish why don't you tell everyone your extensive experience up Norf! Along wif your ideas on how to fix this problem! I mean c'mon at first you called for the pilots to be locked up for flying charters that carried booze, right? Is that your answer to fix the problem? Lock up the pilots? If so, great we can all disregard your thoughts! If not WTF???
P.S. i'm a slight bit drunk. So take with more than a grain of salt.
Cheers big ears!
P.S. i'm a slight bit drunk. So take with more than a grain of salt.
Cheers big ears!
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As the Oombie Chairman once said to one of my colleagues (name of pilot changed):
"You see Bobby, I don't think alcohol's the problem, I thinks it's the solution"
~FRQ CB
"You see Bobby, I don't think alcohol's the problem, I thinks it's the solution"
~FRQ CB
So Sunfish what about the guy in the bottle shop? Sorry mate you are black fella so I can't serve you because of my moral stance and yes whiteman in a nice suit I will serve you, but bogan in tracky daks no I won't serve you because you might go home and give the missus a hiding, or crash the car into a power pole, break into somebodies house etc. How long would I last in my job at the bottleshop?
Likewise when I fly somebody, I just do my job or what the boss or client request's and long as it is legal it's okay.
The photo that was posted is situation normal , lost count of how many times I rocked up at Cooinda with charter clients, to find anything up to six passed out in front of the hotel entrance.
Likewise when I fly somebody, I just do my job or what the boss or client request's and long as it is legal it's okay.
The photo that was posted is situation normal , lost count of how many times I rocked up at Cooinda with charter clients, to find anything up to six passed out in front of the hotel entrance.
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Seen them staggering out of the back bar at Halls creek, husband and wife, both pissed out of their minds.
They shouldn't be allowed to drink, or perhaps it would be better if they got paid in food stamps so that they had no money for drink.
P.S. I detect a certain element of guilt in the angry tone of one or two postings here.
They shouldn't be allowed to drink, or perhaps it would be better if they got paid in food stamps so that they had no money for drink.
P.S. I detect a certain element of guilt in the angry tone of one or two postings here.
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I saw (in fact the whole plane load of pax I had did) a very drunk young indigenous female once many years ago out the back of the Halls Creek pub being 'attended' to up against the old fence by a trucky who had his rig parked just outside, engine still running. I wondered then was the booze that is freely available to them & anyone for that matter (was back then anyway) the reason she was there? I believe so. The few times I was passing thru those area's on a around Oz charter I got 'asked' if I could get some grog flown in for them, pilots are just pawns in a sad & sorry society
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A moral high ground is all well and good, until we step into the real world see the number of different influences effecting each and every situation.
From experience I can only guess that it can and does work if the elders of each and every community are strong enough to make a stance, sorry off into dream world again.
The problem is endemic and will not be changed by a simple WHITE man solution.
The pilots are not to blame, the law, public attitude, group hug theory people, government, and dare I say it the black fella himself. These are just a few, but you get the idea.
So with any due respect that may be forthcoming Sunfish, please;
1. Stop fishing, you have caught the bag limit and more(me included)
2. Pull your head in and realise the big picture.
3. Invest in a pub in NT, run it then take a moral high ground and see what happens.
Maxgrad
From experience I can only guess that it can and does work if the elders of each and every community are strong enough to make a stance, sorry off into dream world again.
The problem is endemic and will not be changed by a simple WHITE man solution.
The pilots are not to blame, the law, public attitude, group hug theory people, government, and dare I say it the black fella himself. These are just a few, but you get the idea.
So with any due respect that may be forthcoming Sunfish, please;
1. Stop fishing, you have caught the bag limit and more(me included)
2. Pull your head in and realise the big picture.
3. Invest in a pub in NT, run it then take a moral high ground and see what happens.
Maxgrad
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Seen them staggering out of the back bar at Halls creek, husband and wife, both pissed out of their minds.
And....Which Political party was 'alleged' to have flown in 'all dem plagons'
during that particular election campaign - in those - not - so - many long years ago??
Did the alleged 'political party' get pilloried??
So, Why pick on the pilots ...the airborne taxi drivers??.........
during that particular election campaign - in those - not - so - many long years ago??
Did the alleged 'political party' get pilloried??
So, Why pick on the pilots ...the airborne taxi drivers??.........
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I've visited a truckload of dry and wet communities all over OZ south north east and west and lived in the Kimberlies for a fair while in the past. I've seen a range of the problems caused by alcohol, dope, strange whitefellas and blackfellas that gave up long ago.
Now it's peoples business what they choose to do and when an employer asks them to do something then it is hard to take high ground when your job's on the line. If a company chooses to make money off a peoples addiction that's legal then so what. If the product that you supply causes sexual exploitation, domestic violence, suicide, child abuse and a range of other evil crimes then hey, it's not the people who've supplied it's fault, it's those stupid people who're doing all that drinking. Hell they'd just get it elsewhere, sure it would be harder and take more time, sure sometimes they wouldn't be able to do it. It's not my fault, I didn't cause it, they'd drink anyway, they are useless and spend all their money on grog, I know how it really is coz I spent 12 months hanging out at the Kimberley Klub and ferrying those smelly natives. Now I'm in a shiny jet but I'm still an expert.
Yeh no drama from those that think all that's fine, make sure you perpetuate the problem and exploit my taxpayer dollars with your 206 charters. Don't be part of the solution. You can justify it and paint it up however you like, but the bottom line is you're making money off other peoples misery. If you still feel good about that then good luck to you, and all of us for that matter.
Now I'm not you or in your job, but I have been around so don't start with your mexican crap. I haven't been in the position where I've had to make those sorts of choices and I don't know which way I'd go. I do know I wouldn't keep making excuses and I'd tell it how it is.
Standing by for all those thoughtful retorts.
Now it's peoples business what they choose to do and when an employer asks them to do something then it is hard to take high ground when your job's on the line. If a company chooses to make money off a peoples addiction that's legal then so what. If the product that you supply causes sexual exploitation, domestic violence, suicide, child abuse and a range of other evil crimes then hey, it's not the people who've supplied it's fault, it's those stupid people who're doing all that drinking. Hell they'd just get it elsewhere, sure it would be harder and take more time, sure sometimes they wouldn't be able to do it. It's not my fault, I didn't cause it, they'd drink anyway, they are useless and spend all their money on grog, I know how it really is coz I spent 12 months hanging out at the Kimberley Klub and ferrying those smelly natives. Now I'm in a shiny jet but I'm still an expert.
Yeh no drama from those that think all that's fine, make sure you perpetuate the problem and exploit my taxpayer dollars with your 206 charters. Don't be part of the solution. You can justify it and paint it up however you like, but the bottom line is you're making money off other peoples misery. If you still feel good about that then good luck to you, and all of us for that matter.
Now I'm not you or in your job, but I have been around so don't start with your mexican crap. I haven't been in the position where I've had to make those sorts of choices and I don't know which way I'd go. I do know I wouldn't keep making excuses and I'd tell it how it is.
Standing by for all those thoughtful retorts.
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The keeping of key cards, as well as the supply of booze, by charting companies was endemic when I worked in the KIMBERLY (there is only 1 kimberly W.O.G).
The alcohol problem is not race specific, it is location specific.... if your home was in these remote places and you grew up in a cycle of abuse then it is all to easy to maintain that.Blame the government for suppling the means of addiction
The pilots/companies that fly the grog out are not to blame, as the locals would find another way around the supply chain if it wasn't flown in.
I worked in the back bar at Halls creek. On a Friday night we would sell 2 PALLETS of moselle casks, at $22 a throw ( these same casks are were about $6 in Syd/melb etc). Takings on an average friday night would be around the $10-12k. The town had a population of approx 1000 people.
The alcohol problem is not race specific, it is location specific.... if your home was in these remote places and you grew up in a cycle of abuse then it is all to easy to maintain that.Blame the government for suppling the means of addiction
The pilots/companies that fly the grog out are not to blame, as the locals would find another way around the supply chain if it wasn't flown in.
I worked in the back bar at Halls creek. On a Friday night we would sell 2 PALLETS of moselle casks, at $22 a throw ( these same casks are were about $6 in Syd/melb etc). Takings on an average friday night would be around the $10-12k. The town had a population of approx 1000 people.