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I think the FAAA member has a point that asked questions of the way rosters are being built. How are QCCA crew able to achieve SFO trips when Qantas long haul crew are not able to achieve these trips through their bidding? There were some quite heated exchanges on my most recent trip in regard to this issue.
Over the last month I have settled in to QCCA and settled DOWN and now I am starting to see things from both sides. The QCCA crew on my trip were discussing rosters with QLH crew and the QLH crew on the trip were quite junior and they were SHOCKED at the trips the QCCA crew were able to achieve when they were not able to achieve those trips so how is that possible?
I would be very disappointed and would think twice before I ever requested information from the FAAA for fear I would be torn to shreds through notices when the writer in my opinion has a very valid point.
It is true there is an element within both divisions being QLH and QCCA (and they are two seperate divisions despite what the company and the FAAA would like you to believe) that treat each other in a very hostile way, and I have never been more concerned about the culture of being reported whereas I was lead to believe that culture didnt exist within long haul.
In terms of my roster I am happy, however having said im not looking forward to one trip which is traditionally a very senior one and caused quite a bit of angst amoung the QLH crew on my last trip due to the fact none of them have ever been able to get one so how did I? Who knows.
Over the last month I have settled in to QCCA and settled DOWN and now I am starting to see things from both sides. The QCCA crew on my trip were discussing rosters with QLH crew and the QLH crew on the trip were quite junior and they were SHOCKED at the trips the QCCA crew were able to achieve when they were not able to achieve those trips so how is that possible?
I would be very disappointed and would think twice before I ever requested information from the FAAA for fear I would be torn to shreds through notices when the writer in my opinion has a very valid point.
It is true there is an element within both divisions being QLH and QCCA (and they are two seperate divisions despite what the company and the FAAA would like you to believe) that treat each other in a very hostile way, and I have never been more concerned about the culture of being reported whereas I was lead to believe that culture didnt exist within long haul.
In terms of my roster I am happy, however having said im not looking forward to one trip which is traditionally a very senior one and caused quite a bit of angst amoung the QLH crew on my last trip due to the fact none of them have ever been able to get one so how did I? Who knows.
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Charming post Pegasus. 
You do reap what you sow. LHCC now bitching about their rosters and taking it out on QCCA people. Losers, they get what they are given. Take it out on the scheduling system.
First you vote in a b scale for these people, now you complain because they are getting decent flying. And you steal their hotel rooms because you want to be on the 18th floor instead of the 17th. Snobs! The poor crew member in the post above is now not looking forward to his/her next trip for fear of being berated by fellow cabin crew.
The division has begun, the company are rubbing their hands together, and things will only get worse. I bet the cash bonus in the last EBA is beginning to look a bit weak now.
Beginning of the end, and I told you so!!!!
You do reap what you sow. LHCC now bitching about their rosters and taking it out on QCCA people. Losers, they get what they are given. Take it out on the scheduling system.
First you vote in a b scale for these people, now you complain because they are getting decent flying. And you steal their hotel rooms because you want to be on the 18th floor instead of the 17th. Snobs! The poor crew member in the post above is now not looking forward to his/her next trip for fear of being berated by fellow cabin crew.
The division has begun, the company are rubbing their hands together, and things will only get worse. I bet the cash bonus in the last EBA is beginning to look a bit weak now.
Beginning of the end, and I told you so!!!!
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Crew are hysterical about any change and then it dissapates. Far from being the beginning of the end.
Veronica you are always the pessimist. The vast majority are happy, the very FEW that the FAAA newsletter was directed at just need to get a grip.
It was just a timely warning about appropriate behaviour and conversations..just to save some demotions and disciplinary action that would be inevitable if warnings are not heeded
The FAAA is not goinng to stand by and let Qantas sack flight attendants for silly things . hopefully those silly billys out there should heed the warning and modify their behaviour.
If they get sacked or demoted by qantas they will have only themselves to blame.
for the sake of balance, ALL crew should realise that its an adult workplace and they should be prepared for adult conversations. Its not always harrasment because you dont like someone elses opinion. but if someone says something that is inappropriate then you should fisrt tell them, If it persists then report it.
Dont run to management every time someone has a different opinion to you..That's not harrasment.
Veronica you are always the pessimist. The vast majority are happy, the very FEW that the FAAA newsletter was directed at just need to get a grip.
It was just a timely warning about appropriate behaviour and conversations..just to save some demotions and disciplinary action that would be inevitable if warnings are not heeded
The FAAA is not goinng to stand by and let Qantas sack flight attendants for silly things . hopefully those silly billys out there should heed the warning and modify their behaviour.
If they get sacked or demoted by qantas they will have only themselves to blame.
for the sake of balance, ALL crew should realise that its an adult workplace and they should be prepared for adult conversations. Its not always harrasment because you dont like someone elses opinion. but if someone says something that is inappropriate then you should fisrt tell them, If it persists then report it.
Dont run to management every time someone has a different opinion to you..That's not harrasment.
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Bidding Training
"How to Bid" training ceased around 1996.
Most CC employed after that date were provided with no formal training on how to use the system.
Now that they have some seniority they are not sure on how to capitalize on it.
There are a couple of crew who I have seen conduct onboard bidding classes in the back galley.I have learnt a few things from these guys and my rosters have improved.
They used to be called Work System Advisors and were disbanded due to cost(which I doubt).
The company has never really wanted CC to know how to bid.
The less crew know the more their rosters are allocated from their standing bids.
Though this process QCCA are able to achieve reasonable rosters.
Put some pressure on the Company to provide "How To Bid "books and some training.
The last" How To Bid" book was published in 1988
Most CC employed after that date were provided with no formal training on how to use the system.
Now that they have some seniority they are not sure on how to capitalize on it.
There are a couple of crew who I have seen conduct onboard bidding classes in the back galley.I have learnt a few things from these guys and my rosters have improved.
They used to be called Work System Advisors and were disbanded due to cost(which I doubt).
The company has never really wanted CC to know how to bid.
The less crew know the more their rosters are allocated from their standing bids.
Though this process QCCA are able to achieve reasonable rosters.
Put some pressure on the Company to provide "How To Bid "books and some training.
The last" How To Bid" book was published in 1988
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Well the old " I told you so " applies to this one.
Once again the FAAA puts out another letter that inflames the membership.
I just got back from my day trip and 100% of the crew agreed that it was unnecessary as it clearly set one group against another.
Anyway a retraction should be printed or maybe a full explanation provided to the paying membership.
like I said MM you have got the coat, no need to impress the management
Once again the FAAA puts out another letter that inflames the membership.
I just got back from my day trip and 100% of the crew agreed that it was unnecessary as it clearly set one group against another.
Anyway a retraction should be printed or maybe a full explanation provided to the paying membership.
like I said MM you have got the coat, no need to impress the management
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Peg... New crew are NOT the only ones who need to understand this. I think you can direct that to BOTH parties... Many of the reports which are currently being submitted are from OLD crew reporting QCCA crew for anything they can... Let's not make this a "new crew" thing. QLH crew need to learn to allow for changes in culture with new crew coming onboard, as do new crew need to adjust to the current culture.....
new crew should realise that its an adult workplace and they should be prepared for adult conversations. Its not always harrasment because you dont like someone elses opinion. but if someone says something that is inappropriate then you should first tell them
Dont run to management every time someone has a different opinion to you
Dont run to management every time someone has a different opinion to you
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That Email...An opinion
1.The person who wrote it was a goose
2.MM published it to illustrate the fact that the company wont tolerate poor behaviour and as a result Clause 11s were on the rise.
3.Publishing the e mail was a warning related to number 2(see Above).
4.It was designed to prevent poor behaviour.
Most of us are glad about the new crew and their enthusiasm(it does rub off on us).
Also it has created enormous promotional opportunities for everyone.
Many crew ...both QAL and QCCA have availed themselves of these opportunities
It should be seen as a win win for everyone.
The stupidty and poor behaviour is always confined to the lunatic fringe.
It eventually settles down...some people just dont like change.
If you want a better roster...learn how to bid properly and how to read a diagnositc sheet rather than begrudge someone a decent roster.
Try to improve your own lot in life rather than trying to bring someone elses down
2.MM published it to illustrate the fact that the company wont tolerate poor behaviour and as a result Clause 11s were on the rise.
3.Publishing the e mail was a warning related to number 2(see Above).
4.It was designed to prevent poor behaviour.
Most of us are glad about the new crew and their enthusiasm(it does rub off on us).
Also it has created enormous promotional opportunities for everyone.
Many crew ...both QAL and QCCA have availed themselves of these opportunities
It should be seen as a win win for everyone.
The stupidty and poor behaviour is always confined to the lunatic fringe.
It eventually settles down...some people just dont like change.
If you want a better roster...learn how to bid properly and how to read a diagnositc sheet rather than begrudge someone a decent roster.
Try to improve your own lot in life rather than trying to bring someone elses down
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QCCA Bidding
Do QCCA crew have any sort of bidding system at all? I know they don't have seniority, but can they request days off or any specific trips? Or do they have no input whatsoever to their rosters?
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Absolutely no input whatsoever. They can at least request special event leave ( 3 days per year ) but that is it .The specific bid and standing bid functions in CIS have been switched off for all QCCA crew.
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Lovelondon is right, we dont have any access to bid for days off. However, we ave been told that a new system will be put in place in the near future which will allow us to bid for days off in our rosters. If it does happen, will make it easier to some how plan for a life...
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Packrat,
At this stage we can only swap with other QCCA crew, however i believe that they are looking to allow swaps between QCCA and QLH crew. Would be a great option if we coould swap amongst the two groups...
At this stage we can only swap with other QCCA crew, however i believe that they are looking to allow swaps between QCCA and QLH crew. Would be a great option if we coould swap amongst the two groups...
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trip swaps
they should allow QCCA & QAL crew to swap trips amongst themselves.
what happened to we are ALL part of the same LH FA community ???
funny cause this only enforces the idea of group A & B .
what happened to we are ALL part of the same LH FA community ???
funny cause this only enforces the idea of group A & B .
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Trip swaps between QAL and QCCA are not problematic if the QAL crew members is maintaining or dropping hours in the process but if they are picking up hours then qantas is paying twice because QCCA are on Salary and not hours.
If QCCA drop hours in a trade they still get the same salary if QAL pick it up then Qantas has to pay additional hours that they wouldnt have had to if it remained with a QCCA employee.
Some rules are currently being discussed with management i believe with a view trying to find a solution
If QCCA drop hours in a trade they still get the same salary if QAL pick it up then Qantas has to pay additional hours that they wouldnt have had to if it remained with a QCCA employee.
Some rules are currently being discussed with management i believe with a view trying to find a solution
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Bad Hat Harry's post
Bad hat is entirely correct about why the FAAA issued the email about people squabbling etc.
Nearly everyone understood the message and motivation except poor cartexchange who i see continues with the anti MM and anti FAAA rubbish.,
MM tries to prevent fools from being disciplined and tries to get everyone to understand that we must act as one, but poor pathetic caretexchange sees that as some crime! ( obviously because he want's to see division continue).
Anyway the vast bulk of crew support the FAAA and 70% just voted for MM. The first Secretary of the FAAA to win a second term.
It's because of the FAAA and MM that we are in the best position ever and everyone knows that.
Imagine if we had listened to the likes of cartexchange and voted against the EBA........ WE WOULD BE UP S..T CREEK WITHOUT A PADDLE.
Nearly everyone understood the message and motivation except poor cartexchange who i see continues with the anti MM and anti FAAA rubbish.,
MM tries to prevent fools from being disciplined and tries to get everyone to understand that we must act as one, but poor pathetic caretexchange sees that as some crime! ( obviously because he want's to see division continue).
Anyway the vast bulk of crew support the FAAA and 70% just voted for MM. The first Secretary of the FAAA to win a second term.
It's because of the FAAA and MM that we are in the best position ever and everyone knows that.
Imagine if we had listened to the likes of cartexchange and voted against the EBA........ WE WOULD BE UP S..T CREEK WITHOUT A PADDLE.
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Wouldn't waste your breath alpine.
Remember there is always a small group who don't get it.
What they post on here (like cartexchange) demonstrates that they can't even read an FAAA newsletter much less understand it
The good thing is they are not in a position to destroy all of our conditions.
And ditto in your support for the FAAA and MM in particular alpine.
Remember there is always a small group who don't get it.
What they post on here (like cartexchange) demonstrates that they can't even read an FAAA newsletter much less understand it
The good thing is they are not in a position to destroy all of our conditions.
And ditto in your support for the FAAA and MM in particular alpine.
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well well, looks like the FAAA goon squad is out on force,
If you bunker boys have ever bothered to read my posts you will see that
1 I supported the EBA, and i was quite vocal about it,
2 I totally support the QCCA employees and have stated it so
3 I never criticized the fact that MM got the CSM position
4 I have said that MM does a good job, but he has to fly.
5 I Usually support the FAAA.
6 I dared to criticize the FAAA for a ridiculous letter, actually the second ridiculous letter they have sent out.
As usual the FAAA goon squad come out in force, alpine comes out of the bunker,so does eden and the rest of the Attack squad.
If I were you guys I would be busy retracting that last letter it was insulting and all it did was draw attention to something that doesn't really exist.
Haven't you got anything better to do..... go and tell MM he has the coat and its really not that important to impress management.
Tell him to fill out his "new journal" that should keep him occupied.
By the way, where did MM go on his coaching trip, must have been a shock to fly for the first time in 8 years, or did he get a dispensation for that.
If you bunker boys have ever bothered to read my posts you will see that
1 I supported the EBA, and i was quite vocal about it,
2 I totally support the QCCA employees and have stated it so
3 I never criticized the fact that MM got the CSM position
4 I have said that MM does a good job, but he has to fly.
5 I Usually support the FAAA.
6 I dared to criticize the FAAA for a ridiculous letter, actually the second ridiculous letter they have sent out.
As usual the FAAA goon squad come out in force, alpine comes out of the bunker,so does eden and the rest of the Attack squad.
If I were you guys I would be busy retracting that last letter it was insulting and all it did was draw attention to something that doesn't really exist.
Haven't you got anything better to do..... go and tell MM he has the coat and its really not that important to impress management.
Tell him to fill out his "new journal" that should keep him occupied.
By the way, where did MM go on his coaching trip, must have been a shock to fly for the first time in 8 years, or did he get a dispensation for that.
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dont know where the 8 years is coming from...i flew with MM when he was a CSS and that was about 6 years ago from memory.. flew in melbourne and sydney as a CSS..
and as for the recent FAAA newsletters they may be controversial but the message is real
Currently 3 CSS's 2 FA and 1 CSM held out of service on Clause 11 issues related to the matters in the newsletters i have been told.
Whilst i do not know who is involved i repeat the warnings to ALL crew just dont get into conversations in the "workplace" that some might find belittling or insulting or may constitute a breach of QF policy
ST has been on Mat leave for 2 weeks and all this has happened since then...seems like the new broom is trying to sweep clean
Heed the FAAA's warning....dont put yourself in unnecessary strife its just not worth it.....cl 11's are really stressful and can result in termination or demotion
the FAAA are just trying to warn those that cant help themselves....its member against member. What are the FAAA supposed to do?? ignore it and hope it will all go away??? or pretend its not a problem
Ask the crew recently stood down and facing demotion or termination
and as for the recent FAAA newsletters they may be controversial but the message is real
Currently 3 CSS's 2 FA and 1 CSM held out of service on Clause 11 issues related to the matters in the newsletters i have been told.
Whilst i do not know who is involved i repeat the warnings to ALL crew just dont get into conversations in the "workplace" that some might find belittling or insulting or may constitute a breach of QF policy
ST has been on Mat leave for 2 weeks and all this has happened since then...seems like the new broom is trying to sweep clean
Heed the FAAA's warning....dont put yourself in unnecessary strife its just not worth it.....cl 11's are really stressful and can result in termination or demotion
the FAAA are just trying to warn those that cant help themselves....its member against member. What are the FAAA supposed to do?? ignore it and hope it will all go away??? or pretend its not a problem
Ask the crew recently stood down and facing demotion or termination