Merged: Close Essendon Airport!
WANKERS
GET A LIFE
They probably also believe that the earth is flat, Harold Holt was taken by the Russians and man has not walked on the moon.
Good point Capt Wally, yeah sorry love can't fly your sick kid to hospital from Mildura as Essendon airport has a curfew and is closed from 20:30 until 07:30 in the morning, but we get a road ambulance to drive your sick child the 8 hours to hospital.
Wonder which slimey, greasy. low life property developer is behind this little scam? Keep an eye on the local council and see who suddenly gets a new car, boat or holiday!!!
GET A LIFE
They probably also believe that the earth is flat, Harold Holt was taken by the Russians and man has not walked on the moon.
Good point Capt Wally, yeah sorry love can't fly your sick kid to hospital from Mildura as Essendon airport has a curfew and is closed from 20:30 until 07:30 in the morning, but we get a road ambulance to drive your sick child the 8 hours to hospital.
Wonder which slimey, greasy. low life property developer is behind this little scam? Keep an eye on the local council and see who suddenly gets a new car, boat or holiday!!!
HAHAHAH @ the video....that is the most farcical thing I have ever watched...the re-enactment is pathetic in itself, but whats even funnier is the part where they mention all the "recent" accidents at the airport...one 15 years ago, another 20+ years ago and another so long ago I wasn't even born...pathetic...
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Well their website is marginally better than the amateurish effort by that mob in Perth who were employed by the leaseholders of Jandakot to justify it's closure and relocation.
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What a complete bunch of f***wits!!!!
Cant believe that such narrow minded retards still inhabit our cities and their surrounds.
Dumb C***s dont seem to have an issue with living next to a freeway (how bout we ban all transport from 20:30 to 07:30) but when it comes to those dangerous contraptions in the sky......
writing a letter wont do anything but give these wankers more ammo. How bout we pool our money and hire some bikies to persuade our friends at the ceac to see things our way.
Good point captain wally!
Cant believe that such narrow minded retards still inhabit our cities and their surrounds.
Dumb C***s dont seem to have an issue with living next to a freeway (how bout we ban all transport from 20:30 to 07:30) but when it comes to those dangerous contraptions in the sky......
writing a letter wont do anything but give these wankers more ammo. How bout we pool our money and hire some bikies to persuade our friends at the ceac to see things our way.
Good point captain wally!
No foxing...
I hope I am not being naive when I put my trust the "Airports Act (1996)" and the legal agreement (announced below) between the Federal Govt. and current lessees (Fox Group, etc). You can find the masterplan at the following link:
http://www.essendonairport.com.au/im...lan%202007.pdf
Its future as an airport - at least for 50 years - seems assured. But the Fox Group will develop its "non-airfield precincts" to within an inch of its life, for sure. But no closure.
09 April 2003
WT31/2003
APPROVAL OF DRAFT ESSENDON AIRPORT MASTER PLAN
The draft Master Plan for Essendon Airport has been approved, Acting Minister for Transport and Regional Services, Wilson Tuckey, announced today.
"This plan is in keeping with the Commonwealths policy that Essendon Airport will remain operating as a general aviation airport over the long term," Mr Tuckey said.
Each operator of a leased Federal airport, such as Essendon Airport, is required to submit a master plan for the Ministers approval under the Airports Act 1996. The operator of Essendon Airport, EAL, put forward a planning proposal, which includes:
The Airport lessee company must publish the Final Master Plan within 90 days of approval, and make copies of the Final Master Plan available to the public.
The Commonwealth signed a lease with Essendon Airport Limited (EAL) on 30 June 1998 for the Essendon Airport site. The lease is for a term of fifty (50) years, with an option to renew the lease for a further term of forty-nine (49) years.
http://www.essendonairport.com.au/im...lan%202007.pdf
Its future as an airport - at least for 50 years - seems assured. But the Fox Group will develop its "non-airfield precincts" to within an inch of its life, for sure. But no closure.
09 April 2003
WT31/2003
APPROVAL OF DRAFT ESSENDON AIRPORT MASTER PLAN
The draft Master Plan for Essendon Airport has been approved, Acting Minister for Transport and Regional Services, Wilson Tuckey, announced today.
"This plan is in keeping with the Commonwealths policy that Essendon Airport will remain operating as a general aviation airport over the long term," Mr Tuckey said.
Each operator of a leased Federal airport, such as Essendon Airport, is required to submit a master plan for the Ministers approval under the Airports Act 1996. The operator of Essendon Airport, EAL, put forward a planning proposal, which includes:
- retention of the two-runway system;
- relocation of aviation operations in the north-west to a more central location;
- consolidation of aviation facilities consistent with aviation operations;
- identification of land surplus to aviation requirements suitable for commercial or industrial redevelopment;
- redevelopment of existing commercial areas; and
- development of areas in the north of the airport which were formerly vacant or used for aviation uses for a variety of business uses
The Airport lessee company must publish the Final Master Plan within 90 days of approval, and make copies of the Final Master Plan available to the public.
The Commonwealth signed a lease with Essendon Airport Limited (EAL) on 30 June 1998 for the Essendon Airport site. The lease is for a term of fifty (50) years, with an option to renew the lease for a further term of forty-nine (49) years.
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Valid point Mr. Milk, a curfew on the freeway from 19:30pm until 07:00 am seven days a week, likewise applies to the rail and tram lines and no emergency services vehicles available during the curfew.
Wouldn't the rock apes whinge when they didn't have their morning newspaper, fresh milk, produce etc.
The reason these people bought near the airport in the first place was because land and houses were cheap!!!!
Wouldn't the rock apes whinge when they didn't have their morning newspaper, fresh milk, produce etc.
The reason these people bought near the airport in the first place was because land and houses were cheap!!!!
I noticed on the website that they have a phone number, perhaps we should give them a phone call at various times to discuss issues in relation to airport issues.
I will happily give them a ring at 03:30am
I will happily give them a ring at 03:30am
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Dear CEAG,
After viewing the Essendon Airport promotional video on Youtube, it has come to my attention, that residents living in close proximity to the airport may indeed have serious concerns.
It thus beholds me to advise your group, as a concerned citizen and frequent user of aircraft, that it is of the utmost urgency that the problem be resolved before anyone else succumbs to an aviation related illness or death.
The obvious solution with the safest and most effective outcome, stemming the bloodbath out there has been decided on by the majority and shall be effected immediately.
Please inform your members to be ready for the removalists at 6 am sharp as they have an exceptionally big day of moving ahead in your area and they get really pissed off if someone slows them down.
Yours sincerely,
Concerned Aviator Grot xxxooo
P.S Please pass this message on to your colleagues in Sydney. They're next.
After viewing the Essendon Airport promotional video on Youtube, it has come to my attention, that residents living in close proximity to the airport may indeed have serious concerns.
It thus beholds me to advise your group, as a concerned citizen and frequent user of aircraft, that it is of the utmost urgency that the problem be resolved before anyone else succumbs to an aviation related illness or death.
The obvious solution with the safest and most effective outcome, stemming the bloodbath out there has been decided on by the majority and shall be effected immediately.
Please inform your members to be ready for the removalists at 6 am sharp as they have an exceptionally big day of moving ahead in your area and they get really pissed off if someone slows them down.
Yours sincerely,
Concerned Aviator Grot xxxooo
P.S Please pass this message on to your colleagues in Sydney. They're next.
Guys! Calm down!
I live in the Sydney basin and i can tell you we do have a problem here bigger than Ben Hur.
I do know as a fact that 4 of the houses that's closest to runway 11 treshhold are owned by aviation enthusiasts and they do everything that is possible to keep the local community quiet about complaints regarding aircraft noise. so, may be here is the hint:
Let's all get together and buy out all these unhappy mongrels and make all the noise that we can with our aircrafts and once again get back to do what we all paid for at the beginning of our flying carrier.
The freedom that we all paid for.
TO FLY FREE!!
I live in the Sydney basin and i can tell you we do have a problem here bigger than Ben Hur.
I do know as a fact that 4 of the houses that's closest to runway 11 treshhold are owned by aviation enthusiasts and they do everything that is possible to keep the local community quiet about complaints regarding aircraft noise. so, may be here is the hint:
Let's all get together and buy out all these unhappy mongrels and make all the noise that we can with our aircrafts and once again get back to do what we all paid for at the beginning of our flying carrier.
The freedom that we all paid for.
TO FLY FREE!!
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Hmm, can't see much to complain about re. noise in the video, that Cessna seems to have been able to take off and climb with around 1000 rpm... in fact after the "Engine failure" it is still climbing!
Maybe eliminating the doppler effect, as they to have here, can enhance climb performance at low or even zero power settings?
I think we should be told.
Maybe eliminating the doppler effect, as they to have here, can enhance climb performance at low or even zero power settings?
I think we should be told.
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The video shows a C172 taking off and supposedly crashing into a house on Matthews Ave.
I thought it was a Partenavia that crashed after either a simulated EFATO or a real one.
They didn't even attempt to get there facts straight.
I thought it was a Partenavia that crashed after either a simulated EFATO or a real one.
They didn't even attempt to get there facts straight.
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Spent 8 years of my life lobbying both Federal and State Governments to keep Essendon open through the airport's Chamber of Commerce. One night organised to have all bank and air ambulance aircraft divert to Tullamarine on return in peak hour, average delay was 55 minutes.
We were able to keep Essendon open based on logical argument not on the emotional cr*p that the airport's protagonists used. We were also able to show that 90% of residents wanted it to remain open.
Sadly, one of the main anti airport lobbyists was and still is Kelvin Thompson the Labour Member for Wills, so with the current government, I am sure our Mr F*x could see some great opportunities to push the debate with thompson for closure and earn himself a nice little fortune for dedevelopment.
I would say watch this space!!!!
We were able to keep Essendon open based on logical argument not on the emotional cr*p that the airport's protagonists used. We were also able to show that 90% of residents wanted it to remain open.
Sadly, one of the main anti airport lobbyists was and still is Kelvin Thompson the Labour Member for Wills, so with the current government, I am sure our Mr F*x could see some great opportunities to push the debate with thompson for closure and earn himself a nice little fortune for dedevelopment.
I would say watch this space!!!!
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People,
Has anyone read the current master plan for EN? The airport is leased for 99 years and must be operated as an airport, although development of the surrounding land for other purposes is permitted. The airport is only partly owned by Linfox (public knowledge) and they are in the transport game. Certainly they stand to make a packet from the land development, but they are also trying to attract more corporate aviation and are building new hangars to try to accommodate more jets and big twins. If you weren't serious about the airport, you'd put nothing into the infrastructure of the aviation facilities ... sort of like Bankstown I suspect.
The master plan also mentions a committment to two runways, albeit a shortened 17/35.
Linfox stands to gain nothing from closure because they don't own the land. All they would get is a lease payout fee of some sort, and I'd almost bet that figure would be less than a 99-year cash stream from sub-leasing the developed land.
Walrus
Has anyone read the current master plan for EN? The airport is leased for 99 years and must be operated as an airport, although development of the surrounding land for other purposes is permitted. The airport is only partly owned by Linfox (public knowledge) and they are in the transport game. Certainly they stand to make a packet from the land development, but they are also trying to attract more corporate aviation and are building new hangars to try to accommodate more jets and big twins. If you weren't serious about the airport, you'd put nothing into the infrastructure of the aviation facilities ... sort of like Bankstown I suspect.
The master plan also mentions a committment to two runways, albeit a shortened 17/35.
Linfox stands to gain nothing from closure because they don't own the land. All they would get is a lease payout fee of some sort, and I'd almost bet that figure would be less than a 99-year cash stream from sub-leasing the developed land.
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Contact details for this 'concerned group' of altruistic individuals:
Contact Us
[email protected] 
(03) 9379 1185
or directly:
Suggest mature, rational, non-abusive & reasoned emails though, aggressiveness won't help the cause to keep EN operational.
Contact Us
[email protected] (03) 9379 1185or directly:
Helen van den Berg on behalf of CEAC Incorporated
[email protected]Suggest mature, rational, non-abusive & reasoned emails though, aggressiveness won't help the cause to keep EN operational.
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Guys
The airport will not be closing down. The activists are simply taking advantage of a revised Essendon Airport Master Plan which was just submitted to the Minister for approval. It's a requirement that this is done every 5 years.
Furthermore, the change in Government has meant that people, including local Federal Members who have stated that they will close the airport once Labour won Government federally, are now in an awkward position and the activists are exploiting that.
The Government aviation policy review has also come at an opportune time.
However, the owners have recently invested many millions (about $6 million I think) in replacing runway lighting and have built four new aircraft hangars (also many millions). Also Airservices recently replaced the ILS and the State Government are building a new Police Air Wing and Air Ambulance facility at the airport after extensive studies into alternate sites.
The owners of the airport have aircraft based at the airport, and the owner also has many mates who have aircraft based there. Changes are occuring, but the airport is looking better than it ever has.
Writing to the activists won't acheive much. Support needs to be expressed to Federal members of Parliament, in particular the Minister.
The airport will not be closing down. The activists are simply taking advantage of a revised Essendon Airport Master Plan which was just submitted to the Minister for approval. It's a requirement that this is done every 5 years.
Furthermore, the change in Government has meant that people, including local Federal Members who have stated that they will close the airport once Labour won Government federally, are now in an awkward position and the activists are exploiting that.
The Government aviation policy review has also come at an opportune time.
However, the owners have recently invested many millions (about $6 million I think) in replacing runway lighting and have built four new aircraft hangars (also many millions). Also Airservices recently replaced the ILS and the State Government are building a new Police Air Wing and Air Ambulance facility at the airport after extensive studies into alternate sites.
The owners of the airport have aircraft based at the airport, and the owner also has many mates who have aircraft based there. Changes are occuring, but the airport is looking better than it ever has.
Writing to the activists won't acheive much. Support needs to be expressed to Federal members of Parliament, in particular the Minister.
Hmmm...., CEAC Incorporated?
a dot com (not .org) website?
Sounds dodgy to me. Certainly not "Not for Profit"
Here's another great idea. You moved near an airport. You discovered that for one reason or another (potential reasons being sheer stupidity, intolerance and wowserism) you can't deal with the minor inconvenience of a plane flying over every once in a while (yet to work out how planes stop you from reading).
So here's the simplest and most logical solution, for your sanity and that of those around you.
MOVE THE F
K AWAY FROM THE AIRPORT!!!!!!
a dot com (not .org) website?
Sounds dodgy to me. Certainly not "Not for Profit"
Here's another great idea. You moved near an airport. You discovered that for one reason or another (potential reasons being sheer stupidity, intolerance and wowserism) you can't deal with the minor inconvenience of a plane flying over every once in a while (yet to work out how planes stop you from reading
).So here's the simplest and most logical solution, for your sanity and that of those around you.
MOVE THE F
K AWAY FROM THE AIRPORT!!!!!!
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Yr right 'giggles' ...........Writing to the activists won't acheive much. Support needs to be expressed to Federal members of Parliament, in particular the Minister...... But any group that has an influence at any level as to the safe operation of EN is to be considered a threat.
I believe they won't ever close it down in my lifetime & they won't be able to significally change the airports master long term plan either but they could very well modify it thru being a bunch of pests to the point where it becomes less & less attractive to A/C owners & therefore over time slowly loose it's impetus (not too sure on spelling on that one) as an integral part of Mebournes transportation system.
For now it's pretty safe, or should that be 'safeway'?
Cw
I believe they won't ever close it down in my lifetime & they won't be able to significally change the airports master long term plan either but they could very well modify it thru being a bunch of pests to the point where it becomes less & less attractive to A/C owners & therefore over time slowly loose it's impetus (not too sure on spelling on that one) as an integral part of Mebournes transportation system.
For now it's pretty safe, or should that be 'safeway'?
Cw
They're at it again...
From the following link:
http://www.mooneevalleyleader.com.au..._mvv_news.html
"Aviation is being moved closer to people's homes...". Funny that. I thought that over the decades the houses had actually crept up to the airport boundaries.
Thank God the State Govt doesn't run aviation.
http://www.mooneevalleyleader.com.au..._mvv_news.html
Essendon Airport dogfight
Cathy Nilbett
09Jun08
ESSENDON Airport would be closed and a residential and business precinct built in its place under a submission by the State Government.
In its submission to the Essendon airport draft master plan, the Government opposed increased private aviation activity and said the plan did not consider the impact on the surrounding communities.
Strathmore resident Frank Gandolfo, whose property backs on to the airport, said the airport couldn't be closed soon enough.
A Strathmore resident for 35 years, Mr Gandolfo said the airport operators were "opportunists in it for the dollar".
"The airport was a sleepy hollow but it's waking up," Mr Gandolfo said.
"Aviation is being moved closer to people's homes and it's just gone ballistic."
Essendon Airport chief executive Tim Anderson said there was no intention to close the airport "in the near future".
Mr Anderson said he would prepare a response to the State Government's submission.
"We're obliged to keep the airport operating under federal legislation," Mr Anderson said.
"We've developed the airport and we are very committed to it."
Essendon state Labor MP Judy Maddigan said she wanted the airport closed and the Commonwealth land used for the community such as a sports ground or homes for the elderly.
Ms Maddigan said that, because the airport did not follow state or local planning policies, anything could be built there without community consultation.
"There need to be proper processes to ensure that the community is protected," Ms Maddigan said.
There are about 55,000 takeoffs and landings at Essendon Airport each year.
Domestic and international flights were moved from Essendon Airport to Melbourne Airport in 1971.
Essendon Airport was bought by the Becton and Linfox Groups for more than $22 million in 2001.
Cathy Nilbett
09Jun08
ESSENDON Airport would be closed and a residential and business precinct built in its place under a submission by the State Government.
In its submission to the Essendon airport draft master plan, the Government opposed increased private aviation activity and said the plan did not consider the impact on the surrounding communities.
Strathmore resident Frank Gandolfo, whose property backs on to the airport, said the airport couldn't be closed soon enough.
A Strathmore resident for 35 years, Mr Gandolfo said the airport operators were "opportunists in it for the dollar".
"The airport was a sleepy hollow but it's waking up," Mr Gandolfo said.
"Aviation is being moved closer to people's homes and it's just gone ballistic."
Essendon Airport chief executive Tim Anderson said there was no intention to close the airport "in the near future".
Mr Anderson said he would prepare a response to the State Government's submission.
"We're obliged to keep the airport operating under federal legislation," Mr Anderson said.
"We've developed the airport and we are very committed to it."
Essendon state Labor MP Judy Maddigan said she wanted the airport closed and the Commonwealth land used for the community such as a sports ground or homes for the elderly.
Ms Maddigan said that, because the airport did not follow state or local planning policies, anything could be built there without community consultation.
"There need to be proper processes to ensure that the community is protected," Ms Maddigan said.
There are about 55,000 takeoffs and landings at Essendon Airport each year.
Domestic and international flights were moved from Essendon Airport to Melbourne Airport in 1971.
Essendon Airport was bought by the Becton and Linfox Groups for more than $22 million in 2001.
Thank God the State Govt doesn't run aviation.