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Its more like 8-12 a month at the moment. Emphasis being on 8.
Lets wait and see if there are any changes. I believe it will still continue, due to A380 and new bases starting up.
Lets wait and see if there are any changes. I believe it will still continue, due to A380 and new bases starting up.
Nunc est bibendum
It'll take a while for this to work it's way through. Deferral of training slots will probably be the first that line drivers know about it and that hasn't happened as yet although given it's only been a couple of days since the announcement that's not unexpected.
My opinion is a scenario along the lines of Ground Hogs. Recruiting will continue but instead of being the 'panic' of 16 a month it'll be 50-75% of that number. This is a good thing anyway as the system wasn't coping particularly well with the higher numbers. I just hope they keep pushing through the training captains during this 'slow down' because they're still desperately short of them.
The other interesting thing is the lack of specific detail. I think Ben Sandilands even mentioned this regarding the announcement. No specifics as to aircraft to be retired or the time frame in which it will be done.
The interesting part of all of this is the 787 acquisition. Given J* already has relatively new equipment in the A330 and it's supposedly working for them, perhaps QF may become the initial type operator of the 787. It'll enable QF to retire the significantly more thirsty 767 fleet and reinvigorate the domestic product which is currently yielding better than the J* operation. It'll lower the average age of the 'group' fleet in the short term and still leave J* with a relatively efficient aircraft to continue to fly to the 'softening' (according to Geoff himself) international tourist markets. Of course if J* can't make those markets work with the A330 and the 787 makes the difference then it's a very marginal route to start off with. In that case you'd probably make better money with that 787 asset in different colours on the mainline network.
It's a bit like the 777, maybe if I say it often enough it'll come true!
My opinion is a scenario along the lines of Ground Hogs. Recruiting will continue but instead of being the 'panic' of 16 a month it'll be 50-75% of that number. This is a good thing anyway as the system wasn't coping particularly well with the higher numbers. I just hope they keep pushing through the training captains during this 'slow down' because they're still desperately short of them.
The other interesting thing is the lack of specific detail. I think Ben Sandilands even mentioned this regarding the announcement. No specifics as to aircraft to be retired or the time frame in which it will be done.
The interesting part of all of this is the 787 acquisition. Given J* already has relatively new equipment in the A330 and it's supposedly working for them, perhaps QF may become the initial type operator of the 787. It'll enable QF to retire the significantly more thirsty 767 fleet and reinvigorate the domestic product which is currently yielding better than the J* operation. It'll lower the average age of the 'group' fleet in the short term and still leave J* with a relatively efficient aircraft to continue to fly to the 'softening' (according to Geoff himself) international tourist markets. Of course if J* can't make those markets work with the A330 and the 787 makes the difference then it's a very marginal route to start off with. In that case you'd probably make better money with that 787 asset in different colours on the mainline network.
It's a bit like the 777, maybe if I say it often enough it'll come true!
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Mate of mine spoke to someone from pilot recruiting yesterday - they told him that the advice they have received from up the tree is, for the moment, business as usual.
They are also expecting that to change but they don't know how.
They are also expecting that to change but they don't know how.
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Got confirmation from a mate in QF, August course has been halved. One half to start in August, the other most likely September. This is not due to the recent job cut announcements, rather the huge back log of sim slots and a lack of check and training captains.
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Correct & an indication of the shortage of simulator time on the 744 is that CASA exempted the SO's on the aircraft from one of their sim cyclics.
Also that there are 4 SO's on each ground school simulator session as opposed to the usual two.
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Correct & an indication of the shortage of simulator time on the 744 is that CASA exempted the SO's on the aircraft from one of their sim cyclics.
Also that there are 4 SO's on each ground school simulator session as opposed to the usual two.
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Keg,
I think your right in regard to the 767 & the 787.
The cost of operating aircraft does not neccessarily dictate where airframes will go (mainline versus J*)
Brand image & public perception will also play a part!!
If public perception sways in the direction highlighted but the Daily Telegraph (ie: "Rust Buckets"). Mainline will then have to react to this perception & fix the problem.
In favour of this (for mainline) is the soon to appear A380 in Qantas livery. But this will do nothing for the punters flying around on the thirsty 767's or 744's with unreliable IFE's.
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I think your right in regard to the 767 & the 787.
The cost of operating aircraft does not neccessarily dictate where airframes will go (mainline versus J*)
Brand image & public perception will also play a part!!
If public perception sways in the direction highlighted but the Daily Telegraph (ie: "Rust Buckets"). Mainline will then have to react to this perception & fix the problem.
In favour of this (for mainline) is the soon to appear A380 in Qantas livery. But this will do nothing for the punters flying around on the thirsty 767's or 744's with unreliable IFE's.
MC
August course has definitely been notified and has not been halved, just 2 slots have been taken off.
September course to be notified as soon as the go ahead is given for recruitment again following the job cut announcements.
September course to be notified as soon as the go ahead is given for recruitment again following the job cut announcements.
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Hey,
anyone hanging out for '09 level 1 cadetships?
I applied for associates swinburne, and did my psych/skills last monday and interview/medical on tuesday [got the early go-through], now just waiting for my Class 1 to get underway from this thursday.
any other experiences?
good luck all!
anyone hanging out for '09 level 1 cadetships?
I applied for associates swinburne, and did my psych/skills last monday and interview/medical on tuesday [got the early go-through], now just waiting for my Class 1 to get underway from this thursday.
any other experiences?
good luck all!
Ear muffs,
I have about 600 hours on the C206 but only 40 or so on the 210.
Do you think I could still get in?
... and how many C210 pilots do you think they'll want?
ok... hat.. coat.... door over there isn't it?
I have about 600 hours on the C206 but only 40 or so on the 210.
Do you think I could still get in?
... and how many C210 pilots do you think they'll want?
ok... hat.. coat.... door over there isn't it?
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Hi guys
I got the everything in two days testing deal late in August. If all gos well is it likely I will have to wait till the end of November after all the other stage 3 candidates have passed through before hearing if I will be offered a flight test.
Or is it likely they will let me know sooner. My main concern is that if Im not going to be offered a place I would like to go ahead and do my instrument rating and get out into the workforce. And if I have to burn a couple of months not knowing that would slow me down a bit.
Do Qantas ussually wait till all cadet applicants have been through the system before they let people know if they made it through to the flight test
Thanks for any replies
I got the everything in two days testing deal late in August. If all gos well is it likely I will have to wait till the end of November after all the other stage 3 candidates have passed through before hearing if I will be offered a flight test.
Or is it likely they will let me know sooner. My main concern is that if Im not going to be offered a place I would like to go ahead and do my instrument rating and get out into the workforce. And if I have to burn a couple of months not knowing that would slow me down a bit.
Do Qantas ussually wait till all cadet applicants have been through the system before they let people know if they made it through to the flight test
Thanks for any replies
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